Microsoft Windows 2000/ XP Info for Collectors

Discussion in 'Windows XP / Older OS' started by Oz, Feb 27, 2014.

  1. Sajjo

    Sajjo MDL Member

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    Interesting :)
    Thanks for pointing out SHA1's.
    My opinion still stand - remastered.

    AutoCRC is a checksum algo, not a secure hash algo like MD5, SHA1 etc.
    It is easily altered (i recently struggled to remaster an image with official SHA1 available and noticed that i could change byte values in several sectors without ruin autocrc, SHA1 would change of course)
    Quite surprising but i had to follow a few rules.

    I would define AutoCRC as quoted from: CRC Verification Utility, Version 3.05
    AutoCRC indicates the media in X:\ is VALID

    An indication, and maybe lowercase letters on "VALID" as well. To make it a little less De-Facto and a little more "this is what it is"
    :)
     
  2. WindowsMyStyle

    WindowsMyStyle MDL Member

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    perfectly agree with you ...
    also because all the versions I have are dated 2001
    but since here on MDL the user Vanelle is "law" and he himself had published it, I thought it was an atypical version ..
     
  3. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    #483 vanelle, May 2, 2021
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    AutoCRC is a simple crc32 hash but it is more ore less a doubble CRC32 (hash from a hash-value)
    we have 2 AutoCRC inside a iso
    1. is insertet after last ISO-Header sector (end of header) -> CRC32 is always FFFFFFFF at this point
    2. is insertet after the last ISO-Data sector (end of iso) -> CRC32 is always FFFFFFFF at this point

    hash from a hash-value
    ExclCRC <- CRC32 hash (from what is current unknown)
    AutoCRC < CRC32 Hash from hash (Incl. ExclCRC and the string 'AutoCRC' )

    if you change a byte in the ISO-Header -> first AutoCRC change -> and CRC32 is also FFFFFFFF at this point
    -> 2. AutoCRC do not change (because it is a CRC32 for the DATA Block - Start value for DATA block is FFFFFFFF)

    if you change a byte in the ISO-DATA Block-> first AutoCRC do not change -> and CRC32 is FFFFFFFF at this point as usual
    -> 2. AutoCRC change -> and CRC32 is FFFFFFFF at this point as usual


    NOTE
    AutoCRC indicates the media in X:\ is VALID
    VALID missleads to Valid MS
    should be better interpreted as
    AutoCRC indicates the media in X:\ is NOT Defect and has a valid ISO size

    NOTE 2:

    each iso that have a UDF Header iside
    - is not overdumped
    - have no AutoCRC
    coz the UDF rules
    However MS try to integreate AutoCRC without hurt the UDF rules
    there are some rare DVD isos inside the MSDN with UDF header+ AutoCRC
    (only the 2. AutoCRC was integreated inside the 'UDF Backup' sector at the end of the iso)

    dont ask me wich iso (i cant remember)
    dont be surprised if you stumbled over such an iso
     
  4. johnye_pt

    johnye_pt MDL Addicted

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    When almost nobody knew how to use CDIMAGE, we could trust ISOs created with CDIMAGE that included AutoCRC. The problem is that people started using CDIMAGE to recreate their own ISOs and now we can no longer trust that an ISO with AutoCRC is genuine.

    Take the Windows 2000 SP2 PT-PT ISO as an example: it has AutoCRC, but if you compare it with his English ISO counterpart, it was created with an older version and older date. Do you believe Microsoft would release a PT-PT CD almost an year before an EN-US CD? So unless we have an original CD to verify, we must assume someone remastered it with an older CDIMAGE and different date.

    People used to say the Sun orbited the Earth, now they say it's the Earth that orbits the Sun. Opinions change when the facts change, and so do we.
     
  5. WindowsMyStyle

    WindowsMyStyle MDL Member

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    I have several versions of Windows 2000 SP2 created with CDIMAGE 2.39 or 2.27, all false? yet they have all been published here.
    The only real unknown is the date of the files ... but what I wonder is ... why create a "perfect" ISO and only make a mistake in the Timestamp ?!

    so most of the SHA1 posted in this forum are fake ... following your reasoning.
     
  6. johnye_pt

    johnye_pt MDL Addicted

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    Anyone can create an ISO with CDIMAGE and AutoCRC. Microsoft is known for not being inconsistent with timestamps and/or CDIMAGE versions, so unless we/you have original CDs or SHA1 hashes from MSDN to verify the ISOs, no ISO is trustworthy, all we can do is assume they might be untouched using several checks, two of them being AutoCRC and timestamps. When one of this seems "off", ISOs might look remastered even when they are untouched.

    That's YOUR reasoning, not mine. All I said is that facts change, one of them being AutoCRC is no longer trustworthy, due to the fact anyone can create ISOs with AutoCRC. Here's an example: I could be the only person in this forum with several Windows 2000 SP2 PT-PT original CDs, I could rip them all, remaster them with a different CDIMAGE version and/or timestamp (maybe because I think a different date wold make more sense? or because they had different dates and I want them all with the same date?), share them, and if nobody had another set of originals to confirm, everyone would accept them as the originals.

    If you want to discuss this even further go ahead, I'm done with it, I don't like running around my own tail.
     
  7. megadeth86

    megadeth86 MDL Novice

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    Are there any windows 2000 pro/server editions in spanish with sha1, but from real msdn/microsoft images? not homemade with ultraiso/poweriso.. etc

    main post link is deleted :(

    or where can I find them... thanks any help guys!
     
  8. johnye_pt

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    Have you checked the 2 ISOs in Winworldpc? They have Windows 2000 Professional with SP4 and Windows 2000 Server with SP4, just open with an hexeditor and search for "AutoCRC", if they have it they are probably untouched, just make sure you delete the zeros (extra padding) after the 2nd autoCRC entry close to the end of the file, in case they have it.
     
  9. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    #489 vanelle, May 13, 2021
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    valid SHA1 Hashes
    Code:
    ;Windows 2000 Professional FPP
    33019DC39FBADE425021477D821A925CD8349A02 *[ESN] es_w2k_W2P_FPP_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Professional CCP Upgrade
    FFC721374C36BD07AABF1808307A2B66165EF48E *[ESN] es_w2k_W2P_CCP_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Professional OEM
    0FAC77EAA6C543D092B11DA3E98242A2DFD5C1D4 *[ESN] es_w2k_W2P_OEM_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Professional Select / VOL
    2572602598064E388E40AFADEF4876ACAC51D6F1 *[ESN] es_w2k_W2P_SEL_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Server FPP
    88034D67A9E45AD3F1CE758A71C7CFCEE54C94CA *[ESN] es_w2k_W2S_FPP_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Server OEM
    9E38EAD2C7D1032CA624515FF196CF2BEFF8CBB1 *[ESN] es_w2k_W2S_OEM_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Server Select / VOL
    425E4E8218170184F3BF0BCAD72A6AE29793361C *[ESN] es_w2k_W2S_SEL_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Advanced Server FPP
    A49C0DFB5489EA44C8F877F78885E22EEB38CF46 *[ESN] es_w2k_W2A_FPP_19991216.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Advanced Server  Select / VOL
    FF3CED58E9872A067286F34921B11D1A3C6687C6 *[ESN] es_w2k_W2A_SEL_19991216.iso
    
    ;High-Encryption_128bit
    72C8E31FB060AC04221CE1A8671997CBE1ED45D2 *[ESN] Encpack_Win2000_ES.exe
    
     
  10. megadeth86

    megadeth86 MDL Novice

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    yes, they are fake, also with archive.org.

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    what about win 2000 pro/server spanish with SP4, vanelle?

    thanks for the info.
     
  11. megadeth86

    megadeth86 MDL Novice

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    what should I do and how? I never did that padding thing.

    and about the SP4, i mean the ISOs not the files (exe).
     
  12. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    #493 vanelle, May 13, 2021
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    Code:
    ;Windows 2000 Professional with SP4 Select / VOL
    1B79FC41FAB8196D4C656ED835393ED9D50AE847 *[ESN] es_w2k_sp4_ZRMP_SEL_20030623.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Professional SP4 only
    7DA2A1DBD2533E2F1CC01954A58DE07CB9093146 *[ESN] es_w2k_sp4_ZRM__SP4_20030623.iso
    
    ;Windows 2000 Professional SP4 Customer Support and Diagnostic Tools
    F2D1A2ACF5FB37E3BB652F065D268915C2A3F032 *[ESN] es_w2k_sp4_ZRM__SYM_20030623.iso
    
    ;Update Rollup 1 for Windows 2000 SP4 (KB891861 v1)
    FBD11AB584B6521227596CF93EFB46B86124AFB4 *[ESN] Windows2000-KB891861-x86-ESN.exe
    C0A1E81E72AEC5E86E8B2A3D5BA5A9894B40A936 *[ESN] Windows2000-KB891861-x86-Symbols-ESN.exe
    
    ;Update Rollup 2 for Windows 2000 SP4 (KB891861 v2)
    B9F1A26CC909ADCA730ED20344CF712480C9877E *[ESN] Windows2000-KB891861-v2-x86-ESN.exe
    
    
    
     
  13. Sajjo

    Sajjo MDL Member

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    SmartVersion | Tools + Scripts
    Use the image you dl as source for the attached svf file.

    Regarding SP4, is what we have/know for certain.
    Will update if something surface, maybe community members have something too.
     

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  14. megadeth86

    megadeth86 MDL Novice

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    Ah, you mean using SFV, yes... got it.

    worked great, much thanks Sajjo.
     
  15. wvv000

    wvv000 MDL Senior Member

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    There is nothing to prove

    bought more CDs/DVDs than you can find on the Internet ---------- “vanelle

    :)
     
  16. WindowsMyStyle

    WindowsMyStyle MDL Member

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    Obvious :)
    I repeat the most contradictory forum I have ever found!
     
  17. wvv000

    wvv000 MDL Senior Member

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    We don’t have to always struggle with a problem. You can choose to trust all the valid information he provides, or you can deny everything.:)
     
  18. johnye_pt

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    #500 johnye_pt, May 15, 2021
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    The thread is called "Microsoft Windows 2000/XP Info for Collectors". I'm guessing collectors are not interested in homemade ISOs, so it should be obvious that unless the ISO has an online source like MSDN where the SHA1 hashes can be verified, the only way to confirm that a posted link comes from a real CD/DVD, is adding a photo of the physical media it came from. The photo will only prove you have the media, we will have to trust the link you posted comes from that media without any modification.

    There are no rules to this thread other than common sense. If you want to share info/links you have from physical media you own, fine by me. If you want to add a scanned image from each CD/DVD for each ISO, even better. If you don't have a scanner but can take a photo from the media with a cellphone, fine by me too. If you want to argue what common sense is, you're in the wrong thread.