Cogito ergo sum. Descartes famous words. What do they actually mean to us?

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  1. ThomasMann

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    It is a job and unless you regularly state that you have come up with something like a Higgs Boson, a Black Hole, Gravity Waves or the biggest joke of them all, "Artificial Intellitgence", you will no longer get paid.

    The trick is easy, you are a scientist, and they are NOT, so you cleim they cannot know. Most impressive is, if you can push a poor soul in a wheelchair to the front as a spokeman, what kind of bastard would stand up to him and call his bluff?
    Leonhard Susskind did pointed out the BS in Hawkings theory and wrote a book about it, "The Black Hole War". Hawking admitted he was wrong, but.... who knows Susskind? and what a hero is "our" Stephen...?

    "The area of artificial intelligence", is the name of a book from 1993 on my bookshelf. In those days AI was standing immediataly in front of a breakthrough...... Which is exactly where it is right know too.
    If you simply look at their theories for yourself and think about it for yourself, you can see that what these jokers call AI is nothing but a stack of statistics, all on top of one another.

    All that goes very well with our complete lack of understanding what our brain does. What is a thought? That is a much more basic question, and we know absolutely nothing about its answer. They show us some scan pictures where nice colours flash... yeah, sure.
     
  2. Yen

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    You are not wrong with what you are saying. But you are not addressing 'scientists' you address established science. I also have controversies with it (as you know reading some of my posts.)
    The flaw in the big bang theory relies (already) on the extrapolation of time to zero.

    In other words: The cosmos is forced to the conflict linear time/ singularity. (sooner or later). Either time is always linear and real (then the question: What was before the big bang? is a valid one) or is abstracted from a singularity by an observer who relates.

    It doesn't matter if brain or a stone. We can make conclusions about processes using the terms of science. We can compare and recognize and assign. We can make parts of processes visible by shifting their electromagnetic spectrum into a recognizable spectrum (via senses) by using electronic devices. We can apply cause and effect.

    We can detect changes by comparing to normal (a reference) where normal =most probable and significant appearance at reproducible and verifiable conditions.
    We can say what a brain does relatively from the perspective of cause and effect. Science itself has made it possible to recognize what we call a brain at all. A bunch of interconnected neurons which form different regions of different evolutionary age from their dimensions comparable to our galaxy (amount of stars and neurons)...

    The question is: What do you expect to know? All you ever could are more differentiated objects and their related processes.

    Humans cannot say what a stone or a thought or a brain IS. (The subject)..we can only describe it by using further objects and their processes.

    If you blame scientists for stating to be above human I do not disagree.
     
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  3. gorski

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    "Humans cannot say what a stone or a thought or a brain IS."

    Oh, yes we can... :D

    The fact our answers change over time is another matter... :D
     
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  4. gorski

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    #484 gorski, Feb 2, 2017
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    - we (can) create meaning...
     
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  5. R29k

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  6. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    To simply think simplest thoughts is one thing...

    But to think well - oh, well...

    Just look at this:

    "In discussing why the US stands ready to wage war on behalf of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia the president literally said they “pay cash.”"?!?

    https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1173948716023275520

    Jesus Marx wept! Need I say more?

    No, not all of "us" are "Human"!
     
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  7. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    Complexity is just simplicity multiplied.
     
  8. gorski

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    That kind of complexity is actually larger than the sum of its parts, it has its own deranged "logic" that breeds its own enemies in order to make itself going, as in "endless wars"...
     
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