Of course there can be randomly a virus which is more contagious and more lethal. Maybe such a mutation within one individual was even responsible that the one has died or a severe progress. But from the perspective of becoming a dominant variant. It cannot. I don't know what's here hard to understand. Let's say 2 people get infected. Average ICP is 5.1 days. One with a lethal one and one with a 'normal' one. The one with the lethal one gets sick at the 6th day, feels unwell and stays at home. Severe symptoms, bedridden. The other one gets mild or almost no symptoms, can move, can meet others, can work. So which one has the better chance to spread the virus to others? Never mind. The study I had posted says: " We were unable to find clear evidence that VOC202012/01 results in greater or lesser severity of disease than preexisting variants" So let's see...
The press service of the Ministry of Digital Development, Innovation and Aerospace Industry told how much it cost the new Ashyq application, which was launched as a pilot project for restaurant owners and their visitors. The essence of the project is that Kazakhstanis will be divided by color - red, yellow, blue, green - and will be allowed to enter a number of establishments using a QR code. The color depends on whether the person is sick with coronavirus and whether they have a PCR test. ICRIAP claims that the developers made the application for free. Also, the department said that the application is available only to adults. Accordingly, only adult data is planned to scan for visitors with children. To participate in the pilot, entrepreneurs can get their QR-code on the InfoKazakhstan.kz website. Visitors need to download the Ashyq application to their phone - go through authorization through the phone number, add their IIN. ⠀ When entering the establishment, scan the QR code of the establishment - this will record the visit. When you exit, scan the QR code again. A separate QR is created for each entrance to the establishment. Recall that Kazakhstanis will be divided by color - red, yellow, blue, green - and will be allowed to enter a number of establishments using a QR code. A person's color will depend on whether they are sick with coronavirus and whether they have a PCR test. Red status indicates restriction of movement, compliance with a strict regime of home isolation for persons undergoing outpatient supervision. Yellow - partial restriction of movement: the user is designated in the PCR database as a contact, it is allowed to visit grocery and hardware stores, pharmacies no further than 500 meters from the place where the patient observes the home isolation regime. Blue - there are no restrictions on movement for this status, except for places where PCR analysis is mandatory (for example, at an airport). Green status means that there are no restrictions on movement and this user is indicated in the database as having passed PCR testing with a negative result for COVID-19. The results of the pilot project will make it possible to determine in the future the terms of replication of the mobile application for entering other public places: shopping and entertainment centers, shops, restaurants, cafes, train stations, airports, and so on.
Yen, the more deadly and infectious variant does not automatically have to mean a short illness and quick death. We have all heard of long and painful deaths, have we not? So, yeah, what's so hard to understand there? It may well become widespread, depending on Public Health Policies. You know, the kind you dissed big time, because your guru said so... The kind I advocated, as opposed to you.... I thought we should be careful... You, on the other hand, didn't! Never mind, indeed...
Your way of arguing is that you consider anything that does not fit to your mindset as being written by a guru. This is exactly the issue what does prevent a healthy culture of debate and criticism of a topic that affects anybody of us. This happens everywhere in the world, journalism is poisoned by that as well. It is away from content, ad personam. Many persons get discredited that way.The reason for it is that the people have no knowledge to understand content, so they argue ad personam. (The guru thing was about herd immunity. And contrary to your out of context 'replaying' it was about cross immunity. It seems that his assumptions were wrong there, although there is no data about level of cross immunity. Actually it is not known which nation is how far away from herd immunity. And it is not even clear if Israel will be first by vaccinations. The vacine maker's studies are not designed to give an answer to that question and Peter Doshi has valid questions at his BMJ discussions). The only 'valid' argument is (and that I posted in advance) that the study I posted is not yet peer-reviewed. Who of those is the guru? Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious DiseasesLondon School of Hygiene and Tropical MedicineKeppel St, London, WC1E 7HTUnited Kingdom So you think those infected with the more lethal variant just keep moving around as all the others with the normal one? I never have said that they have a short illness and quick death. I applied the average ICP of 5.1 days at both considerations. Either way, fact is that they sooner or later reflect the attributes of the virus = a higher lethality and that means lesser situations where they can meet others to spread this variant. It's nothing to do with being careful or not. I posted a scientific source which showed results that there is no evidence found. And this result is conform to what viruses have shown in the past. This is called epidemiology. MERS and Ebola did not spread. H7N9 did not spread. OC-43, which they traced back caused the Russian flu. Has become common cold. No example that would support your theory and the fearmongering media, though. And if such fearmongering of higher lethality should be used to push people to the vaccines while ignoring other facts, it might turn out being fatal in another way! If one would look at the mutations with scientific knowledge I would rather focus on the Brazilian P1 variant. I have illustrated why. It carries the UK and both SA variations! The vaccine's efficacy should drop there to the lowest amount. I would be rather concerned that the mutation rate is fast enough that it renders the vaccine approach as being useless!!! Oh and btw I have a clear idea how to fight them new variants. -Approve Ivermectin world wide (it is independent of any variant)
Exactly and such type of fighter is called: cure. Ivermectin is a cure with tested measured success by medical doctors at the Frontline on this battle in many parts of the world. But the true gem, the cure of cures, the antidote for this viral disease or any other is: chlorine dioxide. Oh yes and it's much better and cheaper than ivermectin. Used and tested by doctors saving lives many parts of the world.
during my spare time, i do a little bit of reading on this topic. i hear both sides: believers & non-believers. im no scientist or doctor, so do not want to argue if it's real or not. but, having had my experience, spent 3 years soul searching, alone, in a foreign country, with just a backpack. i did a lot of introspection & see the world as it is. i don't watch TV. i don't listen to radio. i don't read news papers. i don't subscribe to any ideology or dogma. i like to think i transcend race & other labels, handed to us by society. i treat people as individuals, not as groups, and judge each person by their character. i give everyone a fair chance. regardless of his/her's standing in life, social status, economic class, etc. that said: i live in America & can only speak about America. i have serious issues regarding the tactics used by our govt: deceit, propaganda, coercion, appointing unqualified people w/conflicts of interests as official representatives, manipulation, psychological operations, and outright lying to further their agenda. now if a regular person used those methods to convince me? i'd laugh in their face & get as far away from them as possible. i don't know if it's real or not. but the US Govt's actions are very troubling. FYI: the 1976 Swine Flu of New Jersey was fake, had no verified cases, yet millions were vaccinated. in addition, the CDC switched vaccines w/an untested vaccine w/out telling anyone or the public. here's the 60 Minutes show w/Mike Wallace from 1976 which documents everything. make up your own mind. either way, im against forced vaccination. it should our choice.
I m not in yurp. Maybe it s not as apparent there, but imo, today there s something in the air that smells like deception concerning this pandemic, the political environment, the censorship on social media platforms, the cancel culture, and there need to shut down/destroy folks who stray from a narrative. It all seems related to me. I don t think making vacine manditory wouldn t go over well for many. Considering I ve already had covid I see no need to take it, and will not if mandated to.
Yen, sure, of course, absolutely.... except that all you have written so far - after you started following your new guru - as to what is going on and what we need to do - was disproved by facts... As I just pointed out in no uncertain terms... You long post should have read: "I know, I am sorry, I keep wondering..."
I said: IT DEPENDS ON PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY, something you have shunned and danced around, not taken seriously, even openly negated as the way to go - and wanted to show it all as "fear mongering", when the sheer numbers have PROVEN YOU (i.e. your guru) WRONG, TIME AFTER TIME, AFTER TIME!!!! Time to say "Sorry, I f*&^% up! I thought we were already close to herd immunity but obviously we are not. Especially now, since we have new variants, which are not necessarily beaten by our immune system" as you kept mumbling about.... You have, summa summarum, made a big blunder with that "new guru turn" of yours, re. every major issue, as to how to fight it, what kind of public health policy to pursue, not to go down Swedish way and so on... C'mon, we all read what you posted initially, then a big turn - and now you wanna gently forget what you wrote... OK, just don't try to make it "smart" somehow, 'cause it wasn't!
Trouble is, the new variant could hit you hard - we simply don't know for sure. Like flu vaccines... You wanna play Russian roulette? OK by me, I guess... Except, if we do nothing - we will allow it to spread... The more we allow it to spread, the more mutations, some of them might be deadly... Whatever we do to ourselves in those terms - we do to all of us... It's called empathy. Strategic thinking. Temporal intelligence. See, this is where we, as a species, can excel! But we can also f*&% up big time - if we do not exercise our best capacities...
Which part of the world is "safe" thanx to that miracle drug of yours? Please, point precisely? Denmark today is celebrating "zero day". First day without C-19 related deaths. But they have good measures and the population is respectful in that regard. Not so in Brazil, UK, US, Croatia and so on and on and on and on....
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...funeral-homes-cemeteries-overwhelmed-14127704 Bolivia funeral homes, cemeteries overwhelmed as COVID-19 deaths mount 07 Feb 2021 09:41AM LA PAZ: Corpses in Bolivia have begun to pile up as a fierce second wave of COVID-19 has overwhelmed funeral homes and cemeteries, according to officials, stoking fears the growing backlog could become yet another focal point of infection. The bodies of the dead, wrapped in impromptu Andean alpaca wool blankets and blue plastic bags or even packed into suitcases have inundated funeral parlors in the capital La Paz, the hardest hit region of the Andean nation. Jorge Silva, Bolivia's vice-minister of consumer protection, said authorities have found corpses strewn on the floors of garages, porches, and hallways of funeral homes, and he accused some owners of seeking to profit from the recent spike in deaths by taking on more corpses than they can safely handle. "This is good business for these companies but logically, it also puts the health of the population at risk," Silva told Reuters. He called the homes "focal points for infection". But funeral home owners in El Alto, Bolivia's second largest city, said many cemeteries had stopped accepting the bodies of COVID-19 victims, leaving them with few options. "We in El Alto have no place to bring our dead," said Carmen Apaza of the Taylor Funeral Home. Bolivia is among South America's poorest countries and the second wave of coronavirus cases has pummeled its ailing health care system, pushing many hospitals to the brink of collapse. The country, initially slow to lock down vaccines, recently received a batch of Russian Sputnik V doses to start its inoculation program. It expects to receive 1 million more doses via the COVAX program later this month. Bolivia has reported 225,910 infections and 10,687 deaths from COVID-19 since the outbreak began, according to a Reuters tally. Infections in recent days have reached 80 per cent of the first wave peak. Health experts in Bolivia estimate January was the second deadliest month since the pandemic began.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/covid-4/coronavirus-bolivia Level 4: Very High Level of COVID-19 in Bolivia Key Information for Travelers to Bolivia Travel increases your chances of getting and spreading COVID-19. CDC recommends that you do not travel at this time. Travelers should avoid all travel to Bolivia.
https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/bo In Bolivia (Plurinational State of), from Jan 3 to 11:17am CET, 8 February 2021, there have been 227,128 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 10,753 deaths. Bolivia (Plurinational State of) Situation 227,128 Confirmed Cases 10,753Deaths Source:World Health Organization
Think whatever you want. You think you are smart and informed grabbing bulls**t from corrupt sources. But the following note says otherwise https://www.rt.com/news/514837-denm...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS In short, you are a gullible irremediable covidiot sigh.
Gorski ........ if you stop posting insults , personal attacks , smugness , overinflated ego and copy and paste crap .......... theres nothing left in your posts .
https://lasillavacia.com/detector-n...via-disminuyo-casos-covid-tras-aprobacion-del Detector: No hay evidencia que pruebe que Bolivia disminuyó casos de covid tras aprobación del dióxido de cloro [ For a few days a note from the adiarioCR portal has been circulating on Facebook entitled: 'Bolivia decreases the number of Covid-19 cases after approval of chlorine dioxide.'] Desde hace unos días está circulando en Facebook una nota del portal adiarioCR titulada: “Bolivia disminuye la cantidad de casos de Covid-19 tras aprobación del dióxido de cloro”. [ The note has been classified as false by 26 Facebook users and has had 7,023 interactions, according to the Crowdtangle tool that measures the virality of content published by social networks.] La nota ha sido calificada como falsa por 26 usuarios de Facebook y ha tenido 7.023 interacciones, según la herramienta Crowdtangle que mide la viralidad de los contenidos publicados por redes sociales. [ We applied the Lie Detector to the note and found it to be misleading because there is no evidence that covid cases were decreased by the approval of chlorine dioxide.] Le aplicamos el Detector de Mentiras a la nota y encontramos que es engañosa porque no hay ninguna evidencia de que los casos de covid disminuyeron por la aprobación del dióxido de cloro. [ The article from adiarioCR says: “as of September the South American country began to drop the number of positives and has been registering fewer than 197 positive daily cases for more than a week, with November 2 being the day with the highest drop, accounting for 34 cases. '] La nota de adiarioCR dice: “a partir de septiembre el país suramericano comenzó a bajar el número de positivos y lleva más de una semana registrando menos de 197 casos diarios positivos, siendo el 2 de noviembre el día con mayor baja al contabilizar 34 casos.” [ According to the publication, “the decrease in positives occurred just after the Bolivian Chamber of Deputies approved -on August 2- a bill that regulates the elaboration, commercialization, supply and consent of chlorine dioxide (CDS) from preventively and as a treatment for coronavirus patients. '] Según la publicación, “la disminución de positivos se dio justamente después de que la Cámara de Diputados de Bolivia aprobara -el 2 de agosto- un proyecto de ley que regula la elaboración, comercialización, suministro y consentido del dióxido de cloro (CDS) de manera preventiva y como tratamiento para pacientes de coronavirus.” [ Although the Bolivian parliament did approve the use of chlorine dioxide, a causal relationship cannot be established between the approval and the decrease in cases.] Aunque el parlamento boliviano sí aprobó el uso de dióxido de cloro, no se puede establecer una relación de causalidad entre la aprobación y la disminución de casos. [ As we have counted in several detectors, chlorine dioxide or CDS is one of the substances that many defenders have because it supposedly prevents and cures covid.] Como hemos contado en varios detectores, el dióxido de cloro o CDS es una de las sustancias que tiene que muchos defensores porque supuestamente previene y cura el covid. [ The main argument in favor of the use of CDS is that it releases oxygen into the body of the person who consumes it and since COVID generates a feeling of suffocation, it becomes a striking tool as a supposed cure or treatment.] El principal argumento a favor del uso del CDS es que libera oxígeno dentro del cuerpo de la persona que lo consume y como el covid genera sensación de ahogo, se vuelve una herramienta llamativa como supuesta cura o tratamiento. [ The main promoter of the CDS is the German Andreas Kalcker, who calls himself a biophysicist although his degrees are from a university without any academic endorsement, as reported by the portal Salud con Lupa.] El principal promotor del CDS es el alemán Andreas Kalcker, quien se autonombra biofísico aunque sus títulos son de una universidad sin ningún aval académico, como reportó el portal Salud con Lupa. [ Kalcker states that the therapeutic action of chlorine dioxide occurs when a person consumes it and then the molecule (ClO2) separates and releases oxygen.] Kalcker afirma que la acción terapéutica del dióxido de cloro ocurre cuando una persona lo consume y entonces la molécula (ClO2) se separa y libera oxígeno. [ According to the German, this apparent oxygenation allows to cure any disease, from flu, covid and even cancer.] Según el alemán, esta aparente oxigenación permite curar cualquier enfermedad, desde gripa, covid y hasta cáncer. [ However, there is no scientific evidence for these effects.] Sin embargo, no hay ninguna evidencia científica de estos efectos. [ In fact, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not support its safety and efficacy, and the WHO says there is no cure or treatment for the virus yet.] De hecho, la Administración de Alimentos y Medicamentos de Estados Unidos (FDA, en inglés) no apoya su seguridad y eficacia, y la OMS dice que aún no hay una cura o tratamiento para el virus. [ The US Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) also warned about the health dangers of ingesting chlorine dioxide.] La Agencia para Sustancias Tóxicas y el Registro de Enfermedades (ATSDR, por sus siglas en inglés) de Estados Unidos también advirtió sobre los peligros para la salud de la ingesta del dióxido de cloro. Contexto Silla Nacional No, Bolivia no ha autorizado el uso médico del dióxido de cloro Silla Nacional Detector: Otra vez, el médico Raul Salazar aconseja medicamentos que no curan el Covid Silla Nacional Detector: Médico del Hospital San Carlos sí usó dióxido de cloro en pacientes con Covid-19 [ And the Spanish Agency for Medicines and Health Products advises against its use, since 'when consumed following the instructions given, it produces adverse effects that can be serious.'] Y la Agencia Española de Medicamentos y Productos Sanitarios desaconseja su uso, puesto que “cuando se consume siguiendo las instrucciones dadas, produce efectos adversos que pueden ser graves”. [ With all that, the Bolivian parliament authorized its use?] ¿Con todo eso, el parlamento boliviano autorizó su uso? [ Yes] Sí [ On August 5, the Plurinational Legislative Assembly passed a law that authorizes the production, marketing, supply and use of chlorine dioxide as a solution against covid.] El 5 de agosto pasado, la Asamblea Legislativa Plurinacional sancionó una ley que autoriza la elaboración, la comercialización, el suministro y el uso del dióxido de cloro como solución contra el covid. [ As Chequeado reported, the decision was made despite the fact that the chemical compound not only does not cure but its consumption is risky for health, as the Bolivian Ministry of Health itself warns.] Como reportó Chequeado, la decisión se tomó a pesar de que el compuesto químico no solamente no cura sino que su consumo es riesgoso para la salud, como advierte el propio Ministerio de Salud boliviano. [ But the Government has not yet enacted the law and sent the text to the Plurinational Constitutional Court (TCP), which has not yet been issued on such consultation.] Pero el Gobierno aún no ha sancionado la ley y remitió el texto al Tribunal Constitucional Plurinacional (TCP), que aún no se expidió sobre tal consulta. [ On October 16, the Bolivian Ministry of Health published a statement that indicated 'maintains its position that, since chlorine dioxide does not have any scientific evidence that demonstrates its therapeutic or preventive nature and since it is not registered as a pharmaceutical product, it will maintain its prohibition at the national level and will hold legally responsible any authority or people who, irresponsibly, have caused damage to health by encouraging the consumption of that product. '] El 16 de octubre, el Ministerio de Salud de Bolivia publicó un comunicado que indicó "mantiene su postura de que, al no tener el dióxido de cloro ninguna evidencia científica que demuestre su carácter terapéutico o preventivo y al no ser registrado como producto farmacéutico, mantendrá su prohibición a nivel nacional y responsabilizará legalmente a cualquier autoridad o personas que, de manera irresponsable, hayan ocasionado daños a la salud por alentar el consumo de ese producto". [ Despite the government's non-authorization, CDS has already been used before] A pesar de la no autorización del Gobierno, desde antes ya se utilizada el CDS [ As we have here, the government of the department of Chuquisaca (southeast of Bolivia) announced on June 30 that patients with covid were consuming chlorine dioxide.] Como contamos aquí, la gobernación del departamento de Chuquisaca (sureste de Bolivia) anunció el 30 de junio que pacientes con covid estaban consumiendo dióxido de cloro. [ But there is no causal relationship between the consumption of chlorine dioxide and the decrease in cases.] Pero no hay una relación de causalidad entre el consumo del dióxido de cloro y la disminución de casos. [ The adiarioCR note says that since September the cases in Bolivia have started to drop and it is supposedly due to the approval of the use of the CDS.] La nota de adiarioCR dice que desde septiembre empezaron a bajar los casos en Bolivia y supuestamente es por la aprobación del uso del CDS. [ However, the article does not present any evidence or study that certifies that the population took the chlorine dioxide and that therefore the virus stopped spreading.] Sin embargo, el artículo no presenta ninguna prueba o estudio que certifique que la población tomó el dióxido de cloro y que por eso el virus dejó de expandirse. [ In fact, in dozens of other countries, cases have fallen in a similar way to Bolivia without the use of the CDS being allowed.] De hecho, en decenas de otros países han caído los casos de forma similar a Bolivia sin que se haya permitido el uso del CDS. [ Therefore, we qualify the note as misleading.] Por lo anterior, calificamos la nota como engañosa.