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  1. Mr.X

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    Yet many call us many names including conspiraloonies.
     
  2. Mr.X

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    Been getting sunlight naked on my front yard since June last year thrice a week, no kidding. Well not completely naked to be sincere.

    :tooth:
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    Understand this, these vaccines, at least Pfizer's, did a phase 3 in only two months and required phase 4 is to administer at large scale meaning that you and me and all world population would be guinea pigs for this phase 4. That's why they (big pharma and corrupt idiot leaders government officials) got legal immunity. They will not be held irresponsible for any damage inflicted on people.
     
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    #2045 Yen, Feb 17, 2021
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    My first negative post on AstraZeneca (besides of others).

    To want to get vaccinated or not (as a personal decision).....it's a different thing. But AstraZeneca never did impress. For a rational mind this particular vaccine is a clear no-go. (Transversal myelitis, bad efficacy, severe adverse effects, study-halted, no efficacy data of elderly people and so on...). It's 'second choice' of an 'adventurous journey' either ways..


    The Barcelona study I've posted is explicitly about vit. D and hospitalized COVID-19 cases.
    I changed my stance on vit D already some months ago. :)
     
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    Damn, I saw "Vit C"... :D
     
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  7. Mr.X

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    LOL

    comusav-deutsch.jpg

    COMUSAV D-A-CH
    Internationales Gesundheitsbündnis für Leben.
    COMUSAV ist eine gemeinnützige globale Organisation bestehend aus derzeit über 5000 Ärzten und weiteren Therapeuten, Wissenschaftlern und Angehörigen der Gesundheitsberufe.


    https://t.me/comusav_dach




    Guess who is in there intoxicating dumb ass**** like me with the yellow gas
    Roflmao
     
  8. case-sensitive

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    UTFSE means ....... use the f**kin search engine :) ....... wich you didnt do AGAIN . ....... what you posted is andreas kalcker AGAIN


    How an entire nation embraced toxic bleach as a COVID-19 miracle cure after a tide of misinformation that authorities couldn't counter

    In Bolivia, lawmakers are pushing through a bill legalizing a form of toxic bleach, chlorine dioxide, as a COVID-19 treatment despite opposition from the country's health ministry.

    The substance is called Miracle Mineral Solution by a network of alternative-medicine advocates. Scientists and doctors say it has no medical value and can be deadly.

    Across the country, reports are emerging of injuries and deaths of people consuming MMS under the false belief it cures COVID-19.

    A German "researcher" with no apparent medical credentials, along with a group of renegade medics, helped popularize MMS there, Business Insider has found.

    Analysts say opposition politicians are backing the substance — regardless of the dangers — to exploit growing anger with the embattled government

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...that-authorities-couldn-t-counter/ar-BB198tAe
     
  9. Mr.X

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    He says that, someone says this, that group say that, these doctors say this and so on. It hurts you so much @case-sensitive , It hurts you so much. Too good to be true. You're so hopeless so damaged by this civilization. You are so dumbified by scientific dogma you can't see there are simple things God provides. You are so atheistic that hurts lol. You and others are soooo jealous of Andreas Kalcker hahaha.
     
  10. gorski

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    Science does not "dumbify" - if anyone is dumbified in all this, it's those who simply "believe" simplistic, pretty and simple stories....
     
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    Mirror mirror on the wall ...... :)
     
  12. gorski

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    Ah, the constantly moving goalposts.... Maddening!!!

    First it was "Pfizer vaccine is effective against the new strains", as opposed to other vaccines... Studies and all....

    https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...e-effective-against-b117-strain-of-sars-cov-2

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/11/pfizer-vaccine-strong-response-new-covid-variants

    https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/...icits-antibodies-against-South-African-strain

    And lo and behold, TODAY there is another study stating....

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-fewer-antibodies-versus-south-africa-strain

    f**k, f**k, f**k!!!

    We shall have to wait and see if the new variants or boosters of these vaccines will be effective against the new strains....
     
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    Theres another new study from germany ........ 16 - 02 - 2021

    75 % of the people that have died are older than 76 years old .
    The average age is 83

    https://www.hamburg1.de/news/12871
     
  15. Mr.X

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    How old are you case?
     
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    Mask requirement: poison on the face

    It was the fear of the mutants of the Sars-CoV2 virus that led the prime ministers to tighten the mask requirement again in mid-January. Since then we have had to wear FFP2 or surgical masks in shops and public transport. And it is precisely these masks that are not suitable for this application, because "what we put through our mouth and nose is actually hazardous waste," says Prof. Michael Braungart, the scientific director of the Hamburg Environmental Institute.

    https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Maskenpflicht-Gift-im-Gesicht-5055786.html

    https://www.heise.de/forum/Telepoli...ich-getragen-zu-werden/posting-38390641/show/
     
  19. Yen

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    #2059 Yen, Feb 19, 2021
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    @gorski It seems now is crystallizing what I have tried to illustrate. We have to let go the idea of absolutes. "It is protective against SARS-CoV-2."
    SARS-CoV-2 is no absolute term.

    The vaccine makers have to choose a certain sequence of the S-Protein while SARS-CoV-2 is continuing to mutate. The current rate is 2 amino acids per month.

    I have for example read the AstraZeneca studies about efficacy. Besides of their 'accident' to have used half dose / single booster at one cohort and single dose / single dose at another they have found lots of different values of efficacy.
    I got headache while reading.

    We only get some rationality in this when understanding it in terms of probability of protection.
    Each change at the S-protein and even more at the RBD (receptor binding domain) of the virus results in lesser efficacy.

    All COVID-19 vaccines besides of the traditional ones which use inactivated virus do target the S-protein!

    The mRNA based vaccines such as Pfiizer and Moderna seem to have the best ability to provoke an immune response.
    Vector viral vaccines such as AstraZeneca and J&J seem to have lesser efficacy in general.

    Traditional vaccines such as Sinopharm and Covaxin (inactivated virus) seem to have also a little lesser one than mRNA ALTHOUGH those makers are not very transparent with their data.

    Pfizer has an issue with allergic reactions, AstraZeneca has generally more side effects (fatigue, fever, headache, joint pain). And those 2 cases of a severe adverse effect which caused them to halt the study one time.

    The mutation issue seems to affect AstraZeneca a bit more due to the lesser initial efficacy. It is seemingly useless against the SA variant already.

    But!
    What we 'keep' anyway is a protection against severe COVID-19 progresses.
    In other words: When the virus is continuing to 'mutate away' from the vaccines original chosen target sequence the probability to get symptoms by an infection also increases BUT not yet to an amount where it can reach that lethality by COVID-19 we would have without vaccination.

    It is a dynamic process of changing probabilities. Means efficacy rates.
    The motor is mutation.
    The 'confusions' are due to the fact that we actually have shortened all the clinical trial phases and we now have many things still open at ongoing public phase IV to be clarified.

    That's why! (Besides of the statistical issues any study has due to the fact that you cannot infect the participants of a study deliberately with a certain variant / mutation to get clearer data for given ethical reasons.)

    It is important to have alternatives / additional drugs to the vaccines, which do have an independent MOA, independent to the variants, urgently!
     
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