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  1. Yen

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    #2121 Yen, Mar 1, 2021
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    Yeah, well..your special subject 'Herd Immunity'. It's not from 'my' guru.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/johns-hopkins-professor-herd-immunity-us-april-2021-2?r=DE&IR=T

    Especially
    I dared to agree that natural immunity and cross immunity is contributing to overcome the pandemic. I am still convinced. Without natural immunity COVID-19 would be for many more people a more severe disease as it really is turning out.

    (I do not post to re-discuss, just FYI. I know that many experts do not agree....) :)
     
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  2. gorski

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    Ahem... I seem to recall your guru did peddle the idea of "nothing, this is normal, natural, no need etc." - hence herd immunity was at the very least clearly implied, with all the "natural victims" of such a strategy... And I did criticise it consistently as reckless, brainless and soul-less... Not only that we now have lots of evidence of such idiotic strategy overwhelming our public health services but also needlessly wrecking many lives, nurses and doctors included...

    Never mind...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/28/pfizer-vaccine-less-effective-obesity-study

    This might be a big factor, as we know from rodent studies...

    Add to it front line poor working conditions, exposed to the virus much more severely, bad nutrition, not enough sleep, vitamins and so on.... No wonder the poor and especially poor from ethnic minorities (the "underclass") get the short end of the stick in all this...
     
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  3. Palladin

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    Some friends asked me about Ivermectin. Here's what I told them.

    Whenever you hear the MSM talk about Ivermectin they call it “controversial”
    Here’s some info on Ivermectin. Does this sound controversial with Billions of doses administered world wide? There are lots of other articles like this one available. Just take a look at the right hand side bar for more if you are interested.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

    You hear the media today announcing that Merck will be teaming up with Johnson & Johnson to manufacture their new Covid-19 vaccine. Now guess what company makes Ivermectin??
    Well, that would be Merck, that’s who. And speaking of WHO (World Health Organization)
    https://www.who.int/apoc/cdti/ivermectin/en/

    And the money shot is this:
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    In 1987, the manufacturer of ivermectin – Merck & Co., Inc. – declared that it would donate ivermectin free of charge for as long as is needed. This unprecedented donation is administered through the Mectizan Donation Program, which works with ministries of health and other partners to distribute the drug.
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    Yet there is no way for anyone in the USA to get this drug to fight Covid-19.
    How FU’ed is that.
     
  4. Mr.X

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  5. Yen

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    #2125 Yen, Mar 3, 2021
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    I knew that.
    Here's the statement of Merck about their ivermectin:
    https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

    It is ridiculous, especially the last one:
    "A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies."
    I actually would laugh out loud, but it's rather very sad.

    Merck failed with their own vaccine. And if you see what they have in their pipeline they have own COVID candidates in their studies they want to push.
    Ivermectin is a cent drug, which has been administered billions of times already. Saying there are safety concerns is bold!
    It's actually a crime against humanity.
    In the meantime there is another mechanism of action that equals to a vaccine! (It also binds to the S-protein in order to block affinity to ACE2.)

    And here the Peru study https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-m...emiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/

    Check out Lima. Ivermectin has been given far later as the other provinces and it accidentally has become the placebo group!

    An anecdote: When we unblinded our own studies I was present in the forum where we decided if we go on at a certain drug development or not. I know how to categorize results.
    And I have to say this ivermectin is very impressing. Too bad for Merck that their old stuff is very potent against SARS-CoV-2.

    But badmouthing it while people's life could be saved by it is a true crime!
    Merck's old and human leadership turned to capitalism and crime.

    BTW: I try to get IVM for myself...just in case of and because I do not go for vaccine anytime soon.
    I try to get it from India.....well let's see if it arrives.


    The FLCCC has a list of doctors who are prescribing it within the US:
    It's a collapsed table you have to expand by clicking on Doctors Who Prescribe Ivermectin

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-m...-action-and-share-the-infos-with-your-doctor/
     
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  6. case-sensitive

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  7. Yen

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    Well.
    I am convinced that Ivermectin is of use.(Also due to my profession).

    Want to have it handy just in case of I get into severe COVID-19 progress.
    It's your turn to inform yourself from recent sources.I did my job already. Whether it's crap for you or not.

    My posts are not meant to be a recommendation for others. I am no doc.
     
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  8. gorski

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    #2128 gorski, Mar 3, 2021
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    https://g1.globo.com/rs/rio-grande-...spital-moinhos-de-vento-em-porto-alegre.ghtml

    Nice.... if you ever think of just "going on as we used to".... F masks, f distance, f washing hands, f vaccines, f doctors with conscience, f others........

    Hospital Moinhos de Vento rents container to put bodies in Porto Alegre: 'It's a war field', says superintendent
    The institution had 119.7% of the ICU bed occupation this Tuesday (2). According to doctor Luiz Antônio Nasi, the morgue of the unit needed to be expanded to accommodate the dead by Covid.

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    Doctor talks about health crisis in Rio Grande do Sul

    The medical superintendent of Hospital Moinhos de Vento , the largest in the private chain of Porto Alegre , said that the unit is experiencing a war scenario in the fight against the pandemic. Luiz Antônio Nasi's statement was made during an interview with the GloboNews Edition at 10 am this Tuesday morning (2).

    "It is a war field. Everyone is being mobilized in the hospital, doctors, anesthetists, nurses from all areas. We are really in a dire situation," he said.

    The hospital has the highest occupancy of ICU beds in the Capital of RS, this morning , with 119.7% capacity , according to a survey by the Municipal Health Department. Until 07h47, there were 79 patients in 66 places. Across the city, according to the State Department of Health, the occupation was 100.4% at 9 am.

    Rio Grande do Sul had an increase of 65% in the total number of ICU beds compared to April 2020, the beginning of the pandemic, whereas the total number of hospitalized patients increased by 183% in the same period. The growth in the number of people who need a bed is, therefore, almost three times the expansion of the health system .

    "The increase [in hospitalizations] was very abrupt. There is no system that can handle it. It is surprising due to the way it moves faster and stronger. It is sudden, unexpected. It has no predictability", says Bruno Naundorf, director of the Department of SUS audit and member of the Crisis Committee of the State Health Secretariat

    The problems at Moinhos de Vento are not only in the care of patients in care. According to the superintendent, the unit needed to expand the structure to allocate the dead .

    "Our morgue list, yesterday [Monday], exceeded the capacity to accommodate people who died inside the hospital. We are hiring a container to be able to place the victims," said Nasi.

    As of Tuesday (2), the institution has provisionally installed a refrigerated container attached to the hospital . "It will be used only in case of real need, considering the possibility of delays in the removal of deaths by funeral directors, a reality that is perceived in other cities in Brazil and the world", informed Moinhos. The current structure holds up to three bodies and is adapted to the standards, conditions of normality and size of the Hospital Moinhos de Vento.

    Black flag

    The expert also commented on the effectiveness of the measures adopted during the term of the black flag in Rio Grande do Sul. The classification of the state government is the most serious, representing a very high risk of spreading the virus.

    "We thought we were at the end of the epidemic. And this disease is not seasonal, it is behavioral. The moment we have the population released for the usual activities, immediately, two weeks later, the health system collapses again" , he observed.

    Luiz Antônio Nasi demanded a "joint effort" from society to follow security protocols.
     
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  9. case-sensitive

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    >Also due to my profession

    I'm right because i own a white coat ?


    >Want to have it handy just in case of I get into severe COVID-19 progress

    and some chlorine dioxide ? and some hydroxychloroquine ....... what about some bats blood ?


    >It's your turn to inform yourself from recent sources.

    I did . Wiki .


    >I did my job already. Whether it's crap for you or not.

    Crap is crap if its crap . werher you can see / admit it or not .


    > I am no doc.

    Did the white coat stop working ?
     
  10. Tiger-1

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    oh my God where are we going to stop ...;):(
     
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  11. Mr.X

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    Is this a corona plandemic or imbecility pandemic?
     
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    #2132 Mr.X, Mar 3, 2021
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    A brilliant idea popped in my benzobrain yesterday. To ask people around if they caught corona yet and guess what, only two people did out of 20 homes I visited. Diagnosed by physician tested by pcr so...

    Anyway, both are aged between 49-52. One woman the other a man obviously. Both presented mild symptoms like loss of taste and smell, some diarrhea, No lack of oxygen (desaturation). None died of it. And only 30 min ago a neighbor told me her mother-in-law who lives around 10 blocks away told her her neighbor died from corona with oxygen desaturation in just one night however she was a diabetic (49 yrs. Old) and turns out this woman's parents much older but no comorbid illnesses associated also got I'll and guess what, they survived with moderate symptoms and a bit desaturation but were given ivermectin to save their wrinkled asses.


    You know what, I crap over fake news such as gorski quotes systematically just to scare the s**t out of people.
     
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    “Boiling the Frog; It’s Just A Mask” by Forrest Maready:
     
  14. Yen

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    I wear completely white, but I don't own it nor do I wash it myself. It's rental clothing.

    Super great job.
     
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  15. Mr.X

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    #2135 Mr.X, Mar 4, 2021
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    :tooth:
    Lets not get into grey areas cause we could get tagged as conspiranoids. Everything official/big pharma narrative says is for our own good, they want people safe, they love humanity ;) /sarcasm
     
  16. zen45

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    big pharma doesnt want to cure a disease it just wants to to feel better while you have it ! if they cured disease's they would be out of business and right now business is good !
     
  17. Mr.X

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    @zen45 facepalm, we all know that bruh.
     
  18. gorski

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    Yeah, that's why we eradicated loadsa nasty diseases - precisely with vaccines....
     
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  19. Yen

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    I took a hour to study the approval data of J&J vaccine. (Merck's cooperation!!!)
    Hmm. Even worse than AstraZeneca

    Short: For some sub-groups (comorbidities) efficacy drops below the defined limit of 60%. Overall efficacy is not great at all. (Maybe just one shot vaccines are not good).
    But what actually is worrying /scary is severe side effects occurred.

    Sources:
    https://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download and https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...ency-use-authorization-third-covid-19-vaccine

    Vector based vaccines IMHO do not perform good.
    If one is still not afraid of injecting new tech. mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) are still 'best'.

    But I'd suggest reading the paper linked above.
     
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  20. case-sensitive

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    The FDA is not a scientific organisation it is a political organisation ........... it follows politics and not science ......... as can be clearly seen in their policy and actions against cannabis , MDMA and LSD .