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  1. Yen

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    #2221 Yen, Mar 16, 2021
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    Not generally.
    Each of us knows facts which makes one almost crying!
    To me it is the fact that IVM is not available for those suffering from severe and long COVID. I consider it as a crime at humanity.
    You can clearly study Peru. The numbers went down drastically when the old govt. initiated their IVM program. And you clearly can see what happened when the new govt. did stop it. Numbers were going up again!
    The Peru study is compared to the JAMA study a real study with millions of people and real IVM administration. Lima was late and you can compare to it as a placebo group.

    It's by far not such a mess where they have to show the empty bottle to prove they have taken the IVM. (JAMA study).

    No honestly. Would you take experimental stuff participating in a study where you have the chance to ditch it by pouring it down the drain?
    Or would you ask others to share the stuff from those having real benefits at COVID19 when knowing you have got placebo only?
    Remember Pfizer's Viagra. Actually planned for using it against heart-related chest pain. Within the study some participants experienced the 'other' effects and they shared the pills messing up the study, but having fun otherwise. :D

    IVM's efficacy for COVID is seemingly around 80%. Not as good as Pfizer and Moderna, but better as AZ and J&J vaccine.
    It has not those side effects, is well established for decades, cheap and variant independent!


    No it's exactly the other way around!
    The stomach is an instance of additional safety!

    It kills pathogens which can be dangerous when getting directly into the bloodstream.
    It metabolises the ingredients. I bet the BA (bioavailability) is increased using ORALLY a solution of IVM and using the ingredients which act firstly as a carrier instead of any solid forms such as pills.
    I've read a study where they dissolved the IVM in ethanol and they got higher plasma levels compared to pills.

    ORALLY only and only if indicated!!! Do not mess with injections, please.:hug2:
    Preferably during dinner on full stomach. (IVM 'likes' fatty meals).

    Injections are only used (mainly) if:
    -The drug does not arrive (gets decomposed / metabolised in stomach etc..)
    -Has to act instantly. I.e. emergency drugs.

    The vet. IVM injection solution is actually not needed as such (Medically reasoned).
     
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  2. gorski

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    When dick-heads rule and then "suddenly" realise just how "limited" they are and that their decisions cost many thousands of lives needlessly....

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/polit...TzQ19GVMsPAxkbVOBcZTAJYziAK35BYnjfRkMk_Xyw3aM

    "Boris Johnson faces explosive claims of complacency, mistakes and stubbornness in the first year of the Covid-19 pandemic - which led to "more cases and more deaths."

    In the early days of the outbreak, the PM reportedly suggested the best way to deal with Coronavirus would be to “ignore it”, according to the BBC's investigation.

    And despite a year of denials from Downing Street, the BBC today reports there was a “genuine argument” in Number 10 over whether to pursue a “herd immunity” strategy of allowing the virus to burn through the population - potentially killing thousands more.

    And it’s claimed there were discussions of “chicken pox parties” - where healthy people would be encouraged to deliberately spread the disease to each other in order to spread antibodies.

    It’s also claimed Mr Johnson’s aides specifically told the PM that he should tell the public to stop shaking hands ahead of an early Downing Street press conference.

    Instead, the Prime Minister boasted that he’d just visited a Covid-19 ward and had “shaken hands with everybody.”"

    Until he fell ill...
     
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  3. Palladin

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    Yen:
    OK, message received, you've convinced me. Now all I have to do is to figure out how to do it. I don't think mixing the correct mixture in a glass of water would make any sense. First the water would dilute it, and I'm not sure if how much would end up in my stomach seeing as how it could be absorbed by all the plumbing on it's way to the stomach. I haven't tried adding it to a capsule that I take from time to time. I'm not too worried about any sort of reaction with say a Fiber Suppliment but I don't know how the liquid mixture will react with the gelatin capsule. I'll have to do some experimenting with plain water to see what happens.

    I don't think trying to soak a pill like an aspirin will work. It might take more than one, and I got a feeling that as soon as I soak the aspirin tablet it will start to dissolve immediately. I'll fiddle around with various options to what might work. I'm open to any suggestions you might have.

    Hopefully I won't ever have to use this but if I do need it, I want to be ready.

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  4. samuraikid

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    I'll just say that we never had a test to a flu and now we have .. Covid tests
    We are living the 3º World War an Economy fuc*** war

    or you still think bats made the sars-cov2 ? :vampire:
     
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  5. gorski

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    Here is a timely reminder to all you saying "Oh, it's nothing..." Aha, sweet...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56424611

    "Brazil Sao Paulo health chief urges lockdown as Covid deaths surge

    Health officials in Brazil's most populous state, Sao Paulo, have called on the new health minister to consider imposing a national lockdown as coronavirus deaths continue to rise.

    On Tuesday Brazil recorded 2,841 Covid-related deaths - its highest ever daily total.

    Sao Paulo registered 679 deaths, also a record for the state.

    Brazil has the second highest number of infections and deaths in the world, behind the US.

    Health minister Marcelo Queiroga - who will be formally appointed on Wednesday - is the fourth person to hold the office since the pandemic began.

    He was given the job on Monday by President Jair Bolsonaro, who has faced widespread criticism over his handling of the outbreak.

    President Bolsonaro has consistently opposed quarantine measures introduced by state governors, arguing that the collateral damage to the economy will be worse than the effects of the virus itself.

    In remarks to the media on Tuesday, Mr Queiroga urged Brazilians to wear masks and wash their hands but stopped short of endorsing a lockdown or even social distancing measures.

    The cardiologist told CNN Brasil that while "lockdowns were used in extreme situations, they could not be government policy".

    That drew a strong response from Joao Gabbardo, the head of Sao Paulo's Covid-19 emergency body.

    Posting on Twitter, he said private hospitals had been requesting space in the public health system because of the demand for intensive care beds.

    "When he [Queiroga] takes over, he will face the worst numbers in the pandemic," Mr Gabbardo tweeted, adding: "Suggestion: do not take a stand against a national lockdown."

    Right-wing President Bolsonaro has consistently played down the dangers of the pandemic - last week telling people to "stop whining" about Covid-19.

    In total, the country has registered more than 11.6 million infections and 282,000 deaths since the pandemic began.

    The latest surge in cases has been attributed to the spread of highly contagious variants of the virus.

    Regional health systems are reported to be close to collapse with intensive care units almost at full capacity in 15 state capitals.

    The government has also faced criticism for the slow rollout of vaccines. It is currently distributing the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Chinese-developed CoronaVac jabs and has placed orders for the Pfizer-BioNTech, Johnson & Johnson and Russian Sputnik V vaccines. So far about 4.6% of the population has received at least one dose."
     
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  6. drew84

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    No one here is saying that...

    but lets have a little perspective here
    Approximately 1.35 million people die each [YES EACH] year [WHO Figures] as a result of (directly attributed to) road traffic crashes.

    In the UK, NHS Figures would suggest that of the 125,000 + deaths reported, only 3,000 can be directly attributed to COVID ... search the thread (reported previously)

    ... get my gist?
     
  7. vladnil

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    Ask any person

    1.Are you ready to be vaccinated with the experimental drugs?
    2.Are you ready to participate in research like experimental animals?
    3.Are you ready for side effects?
    (decrease in systolic and diastolic heart function?
    irreversible pathological conditions causing infertility?
    And an additional hundred side ones)

    P.S.
    It seems to me that who is shouting that it is necessary to be vaccinated or he has already been vaccinated himself and now, so that it is not so offensive to die, let others also get vaccinated!
    Or is it people who are paying them for it?
    And the third group is just idiots!
     
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  8. Yen

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    #2228 Yen, Mar 17, 2021
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    That's not a real problem.
    I suppose it tastes sweet per se (glykýs) ancient Greek means sweet. It comes from the 1,2 Propylene-glycol. Glycerol formal tastes I guess more like ethanol.
    The potential 'danger' is located at handling the stuff.

    You need a syringe and needle and Glycerol formal is irritating to the eyes.
    -take care not to get jabbed when jabbing into the septum
    -take ESPECIALLY care when removing the protective cap of the needle
    -take care you don't get some of it into your eyes
    -have a look there are no air-bubbles in the syringe
    -have the bottle septum down when pulling the IVM solution out of the bottle
    -DO NOT try to get the protective cap back onto the needle!!! It's actually no good practise to do that and forbidden at any serious lab use! Why? You could accidentally jab yourself and get the stuff into your blood by trying that!

    Put it back uncovered at a safe place. You can reuse it for next days' treatment since it doesn't have to be sterile for oral use. Make sure no kids can reach all that! But I guess you know that! It's common sense.
    When throwing away the needle after treatment take care nobody can have any contract to it anymore.

    (Well I am very used to do that, not to do injections, but for pulling and analysing stuff. Most danger is to get accidentally jabbed.) :)

    I'd add it to a little portion of a sweet dessert (a pudding is great) 2h after dinner and just eat it.
    No worries here. It'll find its way through the stomach (gastrointestinal tract) into your plasma.

    While it is advised to use it on empty stomach when fighting worms (makes sense here to hit the worms living in the gastrointestinal tract hard), for COVID we need good plasma levels.
    Fatty meals 2 hours before seem to work best.
    You also can dilute it with a bit of fatty milk and drink it. Or a bit of yoghurt. Anything that comes as an emulsion is suitable.

    So let us hope we never need it anyway. :)
     
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  10. Palladin

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    Yen:
    Good information.
    Lets take it point by point.
    1.) When you say "take care not to get jabbed when jabbing into the septum" I'm wondering to myself why I would want to stick the needle in my nose? Whenever I think of "septum" I think of something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septum but reading down the article I see it also refers to the cap on the bottle of stuff. So no jab in the nose, just the bottle cap. # = lbs. kinda thing, eh?

    2.) My experimenting with trying to inject capsules was a total failure. I thought the capsules would come apart easily, but they don't. Some aren't even capsules at all, like the Acetaminophen gelcaps I have. Just covering over some hard powdery substance. So your suggestion to just squirt it into some yogurt or some other food solves the problem.

    3.) If I understand what you are saying, you want me to fill up the entire syringe with IVM, and then dispense one day's dose. For example I have 5cc syringes and if I fill it to 4.5cc then dispense 1.5cc one day, put the syringe away with 3cc left in it, and next day dispense 1.5cc and then repeat the process the next day.

    4.) Since I have glass syringes, I'm not keen on throwing them out after just one use.How about after the three 1.5cc uses, I fill the syringe up with Isopropyl Alcohol and squirt it through the needle, and follow up with a rinse of distilled water, and then blow out with some compressed air. Re-fill the syringe with IVM and repeat the daily/weekly procedure.

    It looks like something I can handle, no problem. And as you say, hopefully there will be no need for it, but now I feel confident that I'll be ready if I need to use it sometime in the future.

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    Any shot you get you're dead anyway.
     
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    In my book modern science threatens humankind and nature itself. It has no ethical or moral limits whatsoever. Modern science and it's actors are a sick reflection of modern society which lacks of principles and values to guide our existence. It's a shame, a real shame.
     
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  18. gorski

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    Get this - you give no sources! I do! Check the thread! Reported and informed everyone as to the methodology etc. - at least by me!

    On the other hand, you do NOT UNDERSTAND THE ELEMENTARY NOTIONS IN ALL THIS!!!! For instance, "reported deaths" in the period discussed are well over 500.000. But we'll get to that number, don't worry...

    Most of all, if I were you, I would look to the nurses and doctors who are leaving or thinking of leaving in large numbers, with PTSD, having seen so much death, going through their hands, something no one prepared them for, deaths of people in their care, directly connected to C-19, which is much worse than wars....

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

    Last updated on Wednesday 17 March 2021 at 4:00pm

    Deaths in UK
    Deaths within 28 days of positive test
    Daily
    141 — Daily number of deaths within 28 days of first positive test, reported on Wednesday, 17 March 2021.

    Total
    125831 — Total number of deaths within 28 days of first positive test, reported up to Wednesday, 17 March 2021.

    Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate
    Weekly
    2279 — Weekly number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate, registered during the week ending Friday, 5 March 2021.

    Total
    146,487
     
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  19. gorski

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51768274

    "Death toll could be higher

    When looking at the overall death toll from coronavirus, official figures count deaths in three different ways, each giving a slightly different number.

    First, government figures count people who died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus - and that total is now over 125,000.

    Second, ONS figures include all deaths where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate, even if the person had not been tested for the virus. This figure is more than 145,000 deaths, to 5 March.
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    The third measure counts all deaths over and above the usual number at the time of year - that figure was more than 123,000 by 5 March.

    In total, there were 13,107 deaths registered in the week to 5 March, which is down on last week but still 3% higher than "normal" for the time of year.

    Of that figure, 2,279 deaths were related to coronavirus - down by 28% from the previous week."
     
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  20. gorski

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    The term you are "missing" is excess deaths!

    https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/excess-deaths-mortality-coronavirus-covid-19/
    • Each country records deaths slightly differently – the excess mortality measure smoothes out some of these discrepancies and helps us compare countries more accurately.
    • There was a substantial number of excess deaths in the first half of 2020, particularly among the over-65s, and the peak is far higher than seen during previous influenza peaks.
    • There are gaps between official COVID-19 death counts and excess mortality rates. As more details emerge, further analysis will help countries work out the root of these differences.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

    https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/stati...lance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html

    Excess deaths in UK.png

    Figure 2: Cumulative deaths since 21 March 2020, by date of registration, England.

    The trend in the total cumulative number of excess deaths in England since 21 March 2020 is shown in Figure 2.

    In short, whatever you wrote is sheer nonsense! If you wanna be taken seriously - get serious and inform yourself of the very basics, FCOL...

    ...get my gist?!?
     
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