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  2. Mr.X

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    #2282 Mr.X, Mar 24, 2021
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    :busted:
    My most sincere condolences :tooth:
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-development/504FE38E2475590EFE93872BC6D67D3D
     
  3. Mr.X

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    Oh no one more negationist!
    Please Jesus save us from this heretic!
    Heresy! Heresy!
    This Rob is trying to rob our hopes in our government, our saviors, our leaders concerned in our health along with doctors and the All-mighty Pharma. They care for our well-being... :tooth:
     
  4. gorski

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    Agreed. If it is not safe, if it is obviously rushed, whatever the reason etc. - one must take it all into consideration.

    For instance, I see "gelatine" etc. as a part of what my kids should get and I withhold consent. For obvious reasons, as one would easily remember...

    Sorry, no comprende...

    Sorry, I don't follow: we have anti-flu stuff and we give it to kids, why not this - of course, IF IT IS SAFE and beneficial?!? There is NO LOGIC in your stance, just pure knee-jerk emotional reaction... Ask yourself where you got it from...

    From what I saw so far, some vaccines are better at "not getting it" at all, some at not allowing you to get (very) ill and so on... Remember, I already reported on such "vibes" from the professionals?

    But you are forgetting that all such events would be in such an ID: if you were infected and now immune, if you got a vaccine or not... So, each country should and indeed must act on this information, to the best of its interests.

    How do they decide? Well, the least crappy way we have right now is parliamentary democracy, with scrutiny from all sides, both public sphere and scientific public sphere, as well... Also, from the Courts and so on.... Check and balances! Anyone has a better idea?

    And what is that - that was somehow taken away from you by force? The right to infect people on an airplane or on a cruise ship or in public transport or...??? Yes, rights, of course - but what about duties - to others, for instance?

    Your BS here is pure "demagoguery"! You know nothing, you have no expertise, you just blabber what some self-proclaimed prophet is vomiting somewhere on the net...

    God save us from your "common sense"!!!
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    #2286 PointZero, Mar 25, 2021
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  7. Yen

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    #2287 Yen, Mar 25, 2021
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    If yes for both beneficial and safe then yes of course. (But 'who' classifies as such if not one personally). The logic is that I personally do not see benefit for kids and I can medically reason it. (BTW I have the same arguments as Dr. Syed for instance. He's one of the best MDs out there IMHO).
    The benefit at COVID by vaccination, which I'd consider as almost zero for kids, does not compensate the risk.
    Ask me in 4 years experience with those vaccines and I maybe change my mind. (Or I can see that I was very right today).

    But if you don't want to wait that long just wait for the emergency approval for kids (should be happen soon) and then get your kids vaccinated and have a look at them 4 years later and 'see' if your benefit / risk evaluation was good or not. No, thank you. It's completely different being responsible for my own body and health compared to own kids, parents or relatives.

    I also don't see it at flu vaccines for kids. I even do not see a benefit for myself at flu vaccines and I never take such.
    Each vaccine has issues and side effects.
    And each nation has an own ideology on vaccination.
    There are public recommendations from national authorities, but they differ.
    The subject vaccination should be always medically and individually reasoned, though.

    If you don't let kids interact with pathogens and protect them from anything they cannot train the immune system and they later develop issues.(allergies, autoimmune issues, asthma and the like). This can be amplified by early vaccinations as well.
    It is not a one sided anything for good evaluation!
    It's nothing to do with illogic. It's a personal evaluation of things. And a decision.

    This also lets me point to "The right to infect people on an airplane or on a cruise ship or in public transport or...??? Yes, rights, of course - but what about duties - to others, for instance? "
    Yes damn! That's called life. People do and have infected each other all day, every second. This is natural.
    Protecting the vulnerable ones is the right thing to do!
    Guess why preventive medical measures ARE always related to vulnerability AKA probability to get affected by a certain disease?

    Those stupid politicians don't even get this today!
    While we have lockdown for anybody the old and vulnerable ones are still dying because they are still not protected as they should. And they do not get helpful drugs such as IVM because of greed and lobbyism of the politicians and vaccine makers.
    And you do ask me about my duties?!?!?
    I am locked in since November! And if 'my' IVM should save one life only I did more than any politician preventing its use!

    Finally the only thing that is of interest is: Is one contagious at a special moment or not. Anything else is of no interest.

    Quick tests.
     
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  8. Yen

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    OK I settle down again. :)

    Finally I have got it without any issues:
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  9. case-sensitive

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    Fake tablets from india ?
     
  10. Mr.X

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    Access denied
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    www.fahorro.com
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    What happened?
    This request was blocked by the security rules
     
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  13. Mr.X

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    Use Tor or vpn... n00b :D
     
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    The documentation archive of the Austrian resistance describes the wochenblick as a "disinformation project on the right fringe". [12] According to Falter, the Wochenblick regularly publishes right-wing conspiracy theories and memes. [2] The Ruhr Nachrichten also charged that the wochenblick had falsified reporting on New Year's Eve 2016/17 in Dortmund. [13]

    In March 2018, the Wochenblick was sentenced to pay 3,000 euros for defamation. [14] The judgment was upheld by the Linz Regional Court in July 2018. [15] In the same court case, it became known that Wochenblick received around 850,000 euros a year from unknown donors. According to its management, this sponsorship should also be understood as researching and writing for certain people if they have a special request. However, those responsible did not see the independence of the newspaper as compromised. [16]

    The newspaper was reprimanded several times by the Austrian Press Council for its reporting. [17] Referring to a five-part series of articles on refugees in Sweden, they came to the conclusion that the articles "had nothing in common with professional and responsible journalism". [18]

    https://www.wikiwand.com/de/Wochenblick
     
  16. case-sensitive

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    Errrrr ....... :)
     
  17. Yen

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    LOL.
    They are looking legit. I am used to make an opinion about it.
    The company exists and each pharmaceutical company has to comply with proper pharmacovigilance.
    I could call there and let verify the batch No. and even ask for analysis certificates.

    I even could analyse those pills myself. I would need Ivermectin reference substance for it, though.

    The funny thing is:
    I have all the papers that allow me to order any stuff via company due to my job. Orders up to 1000 bucks without signing from somebody else (my boss).
    One gram of IVM standard is 77 bucks.
    I did not do that violating the 'trust' I have in order to do my job properly.
    I could lose my job ordering active substances for own personal use. (I actually could order anything).

    So I made the efforts ordering my own IVM via India.;)
     
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  18. Mr.X

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    Wikiwand
    Wikiwand
    Wikiwand????
    Wikipedia?
    What a reliable source of information... Yeah right

    Wikiwand based on Wikipedia says Wochenblick is a bs source... Wow @case-sensitive , you're so smart you are so great to debunk bs, you're The Magnificent Debunker.
     
  19. gorski

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    Covid-19 in the UK
    44.5% received at least one vaccine dose

    Daily cases
    4,715
    -872 v last week

    In hospital
    4,560
    -1,576 v last week

    Daily deaths
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    Cases and deaths as published on 27 Mar, hospital numbers on 25 Mar. Vaccine number is % of population to have received one dose by 26 Mar. Source: PHE.


    Compare with Mexico...

    Mexico Covid death toll leaps 60% to reach 321,000
    New government report includes excess deaths and shows fatalities may exceed those of Brazil, the world’s second worst-affected country
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    Graves in a section of a cemetery in Mexico’s Valle de Chalco set aside for coronavirus victims.

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    Mexico’s government has acknowledged that the country’s true death toll from the coronavirus pandemic now stands above 321,000, almost 60% more than the official test-confirmed number of 201,429.

    Mexico does little testing, and, because hospitals were overwhelmed, many Mexicans died at home without getting a test. The only way to get a clear picture is to review “excess deaths” and review death certificates.

    On Saturday, the government quietly published a report based on those figures, which found there were 294,287 deaths linked to Covid-19 from the start of the pandemic through 14 February. Since 15 February there have been an additional 26,772 test-confirmed deaths.

    The higher toll would exceed that of Brazil, which has the world’s second-highest number of deaths after the US.

    The Johns Hopkins coronavirus tracker puts Brazil’s toll at about 307,000 and the United States’ at 548,000, but Mexico’s population of 126 million is far smaller than those of either of those countries.

    Around 127,000 people have died with Covid-19 in the UK, according to Johns Hopkins.

    The new report also confirms just how deadly Mexico’s second wave in January was. At the end of December, excess death estimates suggested a total of about 220,000 deaths related to Covid-19 in Mexico. That number jumped by around 75,000 in just a month and a half.

    Also suggestive were the overall number of “excess deaths” since the pandemic began, around 417,000. Excess deaths are determined by comparing the deaths in a given year to those that would be expected based on data from previous years.

    A review of death certificates found about 70.5% of the excess deaths were Covid-19 related, often because it was listed on the certificates as a suspected or contributing cause of death. But some experts say Covid-19 may have contributed to many of the other excess deaths because many people couldn’t get treatment for other diseases because hospitals were overwhelmed.

    Former president Felipe Calderón wrote in his Twitter account Saturday that “more than 400,000 Mexicans have died, above the average for previous years ... probably the highest figure in the world”.
     
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  20. Mr.X

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    Do you honestly think posting a cemetery image is going to convince me, scare me, to reconsider my view on all this plandemic?
    Who do you think you are dealing with?