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  1. vladnil

    vladnil MDL Senior Member

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    I ask you not to develop demagoguery here!
    I just repeated your actions, only from the point of view of common sense.
     
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  2. Mr.X

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    Lol I agree it's a nightmare, not the illness itself but all human reactions to it. Agree, this pandemic of FEAR, yes fear not anything else, seems to go forever. Damnit.

    Scientific fact: this virus like any other virus came to stay among us, it's not going anywhere but our bodies or any living mammal. Sooner or later it will hit any of us, hardly or softly. It's up to you and your nutrition plus health habits.

    Fun fact: told this to my mom (she's 93, a living miracle) 15 days ago then she kicked me out of her house and zero phone calls... :D
     
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    I got both shots. And I ain't hungry for human brains. :shok:
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    #2285 Mr.X, Mar 24, 2021
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    :busted:
    My most sincere condolences :tooth:
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-development/504FE38E2475590EFE93872BC6D67D3D
     
  6. Mr.X

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    Oh no one more negationist!
    Please Jesus save us from this heretic!
    Heresy! Heresy!
    This Rob is trying to rob our hopes in our government, our saviors, our leaders concerned in our health along with doctors and the All-mighty Pharma. They care for our well-being... :tooth:
     
  7. gorski

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    Agreed. If it is not safe, if it is obviously rushed, whatever the reason etc. - one must take it all into consideration.

    For instance, I see "gelatine" etc. as a part of what my kids should get and I withhold consent. For obvious reasons, as one would easily remember...

    Sorry, no comprende...

    Sorry, I don't follow: we have anti-flu stuff and we give it to kids, why not this - of course, IF IT IS SAFE and beneficial?!? There is NO LOGIC in your stance, just pure knee-jerk emotional reaction... Ask yourself where you got it from...

    From what I saw so far, some vaccines are better at "not getting it" at all, some at not allowing you to get (very) ill and so on... Remember, I already reported on such "vibes" from the professionals?

    But you are forgetting that all such events would be in such an ID: if you were infected and now immune, if you got a vaccine or not... So, each country should and indeed must act on this information, to the best of its interests.

    How do they decide? Well, the least crappy way we have right now is parliamentary democracy, with scrutiny from all sides, both public sphere and scientific public sphere, as well... Also, from the Courts and so on.... Check and balances! Anyone has a better idea?

    And what is that - that was somehow taken away from you by force? The right to infect people on an airplane or on a cruise ship or in public transport or...??? Yes, rights, of course - but what about duties - to others, for instance?

    Your BS here is pure "demagoguery"! You know nothing, you have no expertise, you just blabber what some self-proclaimed prophet is vomiting somewhere on the net...

    God save us from your "common sense"!!!
     
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  8. Mr.X

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    #2289 PointZero, Mar 25, 2021
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  10. Yen

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    #2290 Yen, Mar 25, 2021
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    If yes for both beneficial and safe then yes of course. (But 'who' classifies as such if not one personally). The logic is that I personally do not see benefit for kids and I can medically reason it. (BTW I have the same arguments as Dr. Syed for instance. He's one of the best MDs out there IMHO).
    The benefit at COVID by vaccination, which I'd consider as almost zero for kids, does not compensate the risk.
    Ask me in 4 years experience with those vaccines and I maybe change my mind. (Or I can see that I was very right today).

    But if you don't want to wait that long just wait for the emergency approval for kids (should be happen soon) and then get your kids vaccinated and have a look at them 4 years later and 'see' if your benefit / risk evaluation was good or not. No, thank you. It's completely different being responsible for my own body and health compared to own kids, parents or relatives.

    I also don't see it at flu vaccines for kids. I even do not see a benefit for myself at flu vaccines and I never take such.
    Each vaccine has issues and side effects.
    And each nation has an own ideology on vaccination.
    There are public recommendations from national authorities, but they differ.
    The subject vaccination should be always medically and individually reasoned, though.

    If you don't let kids interact with pathogens and protect them from anything they cannot train the immune system and they later develop issues.(allergies, autoimmune issues, asthma and the like). This can be amplified by early vaccinations as well.
    It is not a one sided anything for good evaluation!
    It's nothing to do with illogic. It's a personal evaluation of things. And a decision.

    This also lets me point to "The right to infect people on an airplane or on a cruise ship or in public transport or...??? Yes, rights, of course - but what about duties - to others, for instance? "
    Yes damn! That's called life. People do and have infected each other all day, every second. This is natural.
    Protecting the vulnerable ones is the right thing to do!
    Guess why preventive medical measures ARE always related to vulnerability AKA probability to get affected by a certain disease?

    Those stupid politicians don't even get this today!
    While we have lockdown for anybody the old and vulnerable ones are still dying because they are still not protected as they should. And they do not get helpful drugs such as IVM because of greed and lobbyism of the politicians and vaccine makers.
    And you do ask me about my duties?!?!?
    I am locked in since November! And if 'my' IVM should save one life only I did more than any politician preventing its use!

    Finally the only thing that is of interest is: Is one contagious at a special moment or not. Anything else is of no interest.

    Quick tests.
     
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  11. Yen

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    OK I settle down again. :)

    Finally I have got it without any issues:
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  12. case-sensitive

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    Fake tablets from india ?
     
  13. Mr.X

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  16. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

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    Use Tor or vpn... n00b :D
     
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    The documentation archive of the Austrian resistance describes the wochenblick as a "disinformation project on the right fringe". [12] According to Falter, the Wochenblick regularly publishes right-wing conspiracy theories and memes. [2] The Ruhr Nachrichten also charged that the wochenblick had falsified reporting on New Year's Eve 2016/17 in Dortmund. [13]

    In March 2018, the Wochenblick was sentenced to pay 3,000 euros for defamation. [14] The judgment was upheld by the Linz Regional Court in July 2018. [15] In the same court case, it became known that Wochenblick received around 850,000 euros a year from unknown donors. According to its management, this sponsorship should also be understood as researching and writing for certain people if they have a special request. However, those responsible did not see the independence of the newspaper as compromised. [16]

    The newspaper was reprimanded several times by the Austrian Press Council for its reporting. [17] Referring to a five-part series of articles on refugees in Sweden, they came to the conclusion that the articles "had nothing in common with professional and responsible journalism". [18]

    https://www.wikiwand.com/de/Wochenblick
     
  19. case-sensitive

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    Errrrr ....... :)
     
  20. Yen

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    LOL.
    They are looking legit. I am used to make an opinion about it.
    The company exists and each pharmaceutical company has to comply with proper pharmacovigilance.
    I could call there and let verify the batch No. and even ask for analysis certificates.

    I even could analyse those pills myself. I would need Ivermectin reference substance for it, though.

    The funny thing is:
    I have all the papers that allow me to order any stuff via company due to my job. Orders up to 1000 bucks without signing from somebody else (my boss).
    One gram of IVM standard is 77 bucks.
    I did not do that violating the 'trust' I have in order to do my job properly.
    I could lose my job ordering active substances for own personal use. (I actually could order anything).

    So I made the efforts ordering my own IVM via India.;)
     
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