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  1. Yen

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    #2321 Yen, Mar 31, 2021
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    They work (= have an action on the CNS) for sure. The question is if their use is indicated or if the approach to use such is reasonable.
    Western Psychology is a sort of retarded, prescription of such meds to fight depression is an easy way. Easy for the psychologist, easy for big pharma.
    BUT it actually does not cure the reason of the depression itself. It only regulates biochemical imbalances in the CNS.

    All the drugs had been approved meds or were developed as such. Their abuse was responsible that they later got classified. This is a political measure far off from science.
    Of course classified drugs don't suddenly change their useful attributes only because they got classified.

    Whenever politics gets involved into science there are unreasonable decisions and even fake reports.

    Not really. Each one has its own pharmacological profile. SSRI's and MDMA have in common that they act on the serotonergic system. Amphetamines are related to adrenaline and noradrenaline. 'Meth / crystal' is usually dextromethamphetamine which has a long half life.

    Although I have to admit that pharmacology is by far not able to 'describe' psychoactive substances, especially those acting on serotonin (5-HT) imagine LSD-25, those mentioned have a totally different profile each.

    Yes, I totally agree.
    And I am not sure what is really worse. The virus itself or the psychological issues especially at kids (being locked in and forced to wear masks) not to speak about all those collateral damages.

    Stress is very bad, especially for the innate immune system.
    BUT substances such as amphetamine (and steroids) are known to create exactly such stress!

    While I totally agree that fear and anxiety is poison for the immune system I have to say that people who cannot handle such fear and anxiety are usually unable to deal with such drugs as well.
    When using recreational drugs one has to be recreational per se.
    And one should never forget that if you are demanding to the CNS it'll also want something back in return. And IF the relations are not 'right' one should stop taking drugs.

    Stress and fear / anxiety are matters of perception. Before I would recommend certain drugs (classified or not) people should use mental exercises, meditation, yoga and the like. Also self-awareness is important.

    Western psychotherapy / psychopharmaca / meds are underdeveloped and only a weak approach to 'cure'.

    But typically for a western materialistic tech society. Work, work,work, money, money, money, get things, get things, get things, being restless, today here tomorrow there, always busy accumulating stuff as an ego enhancer........yeah until one can measure an effect. Exhaustion / depression...

    Once you can measure / determine there are also pills for it. Hmm reminds me of current pandemic...:D:)
     
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  2. Mr.X

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  3. Yen

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    Back to science: :)

    Interesting stuff:

    AZ issue: "A Prothrombotic Thrombocytopenic Disorder Resembling Heparin-Induced Thrombocytopenia Following Coronavirus-19 Vaccination"
    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1

    Nasal vaccines:
    "Finnish academics developing intranasal COVID-19 vaccine." https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/emea/finnish-academics-developing-intranasal-covid-19-vaccine

    Also an AZ partner is part of the game:
    https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/astrazeneca-partner-takes-nasal-covid-19-vaccine-into-phase-1

    Most are vector virus based, but one uses the antigen directly (Avalon):
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d43747-020-01139-4


    WoW, big headline, although exciting. Will watch this.
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    If you or anyone want to follow it and many other "bs" then go to

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  5. Mr.X

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    @Tiger-1 let us know your thoughts on this please
     
  6. gorski

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    Finally, they are shutting down huge Brazilian cities... that should tell you...

    Yen, from my experience/knowledge on the subject: anti-depressants are simply buying you time, at best... that is, if you have no money for psychotherapy/psychoanalysis...

    The real cure for depression is a promise of love after some time has passed, while being on the drugs...

    Anti-depressants kill you inside! Sometimes it might be necessary, sadly...

    Until you find yourself in a potentially "special" situation... But you feel "flat"... nothing to act on... and you know it's unnatural...

    So, you go to a friend and tell him... And your mate gets you talking, figures out why and gets you to go 'cold turkey', off the meds...

    And they are addictive! So, not an easy thing to do, when one has underlying issues, like a drunkard not letting go of a fence!!!

    He was losing consciousness, got panic attacks, all sorts - and endured it... for a promise of romance in the air...

    Here I came with a solution: where he was full of doubts, indecision and anxiety... Viagra got that mate of mine alive again... His new g-friend was in awe of him, that helped boost his moral...

    Believe it or not, my approach worked - I got him off the meds and onto Viagra... Non-addictive and life-enhancing!

    Happily married, they got a girl, last time I checked - and he is "fully functional" again...

    Drugs can be great! And terrible! Depending on the brain prescribing them and a brain using them...
     
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    Yeah, as projections go - this one nails you...
     
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  9. Yen

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    #2329 Yen, Apr 1, 2021
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    @gorski
    I agree. Sometimes life situation is that bad that anti depressants are 'needed' just to gain time.
    Sometimes even tranquillizers are 'needed' if personal destiny turns out being very hard in life.

    Anyway you had been more of a cure there (as a real friend) than the meds, not to mention a 'foreign' psychologist or their therapies.
    Good friends are the best psychologists.

    Generally, if you don't 'learn' by that just focusing on another 'need' which is also a temporary thing in life, a 'thing' where you cannot get real self-awareness there is a chance things do repeat in case of loss and then you are in the same situation again.
    One needs to mentally 'grow', which means to spot 'things' which are not 'real' ..real in that way that they really might 'add' something to make you feel being 'completed'.
    The first approach is to figure if the feeling of being incomplete in a way is real or if it is already a part of the illusion itself...

    For me meditation and yoga are means which I'd consider precious in my personal life. I got that due to interaction with other cultures while I travelled... by that you do 'learn' that 'importance of things' is just a way of own perspective looking at those.

    Things are losing their 'severity'....if you have the ability to see those things from a different perspective. (Thinking outside the box...once lost hard to get back. Depressive people have lost it, mostly already before a depression gets manifest).
     
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  10. Yen

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    I agree with taking it seriously.
    Anyway from a pure medical POV it makes no sense to get vaccinated after you have really recovered from a real SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    Your immune system is trained now in a far better way than a vaccine could ever do. You have got antibodies against the entire virus, maybe already for a variant. (Not only against the original S protein).

    Vaccination after that is just a psychological means which does not really add something. (Except the risk of side effects of the vaccine).

    I know there are 'experts' stating otherwise. (Recommending the vaccine after a real infection). But they are lacking of medical basics at their arguments.
     
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    Vaccination immediately after getting the virus is not recommended. I believe that there is some minimum space of time when you can receive vaccine against Covid-19.
     
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  12. Tiger-1

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    Hello dear friend, I'm sorry about saying that I no longer have "head" to think about it !! See an example just here on the street in which I resident has died several people affected by Covid 19 ... In this way I live alone I am 24 hours locked in my house like a prisoner in the chain or weak mental inside a sanatorium here in São Paulo a true chaos; this without taking into account that unfortunately our president is an idiot and even did not get the damn virus be ... and more to criminal factions have been stealing cargo of government truck vaccines is the end Sorry for something ;):(
     
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  13. vladnil

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    Guys
    There is no information about the Covid virus in more than one country!
    There are 4 documents from the Ministry of Health, Canada - USA - Moscow - Ukraine
    NO dedicated Corona19 virus!
    You were all misled !!!

    Think back to last year's Italy shooting a hospital a bunch of patients!
    So this is a fake - everything was filmed on the set, you will find the video on YouTube.

    You are all dunce
     
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  14. gorski

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    Maybe when they come up with a "booster" for the variants - then, yes... ;)

    @Yen: you have no idea how many hours I spent talking to him, on the phone, in person, emails etc. - plotting and scheming, boosting his hopes and simply trying to keep him focused on the essentials...

    Sadly, his underlying issues got us apart these days... :(
     
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    @ all: in Brazil now they have more than 4K excess deaths a day! A DAY!!!!

    How moronic does one have to be to ignore that?!?

    But Bolsonazi is plotting a coup, we hear... He sacked the defence minister (who went against him)... Then, three top generals quit... We wait with trepidation...
     
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    #2336 Yen, Apr 2, 2021
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    I don't have an idea about the details, I cannot.
    But I know and can imagine what you mean.
    All the more I know how the surroundings get affected / involved into the suffering. My brother had similar problems, and sometimes friends come to me to unburden their heart and if it's for a good talk only.

    When I was younger I had a stormy life as well, with ups and downs....but I have found my calm anchor in life.
    Maybe there is a day you come together again. At least I wish it.

    Things are not easy.
    As powerful and effective a way out can be as powerful the old patterns are....dragging the one back to old habits....
     
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    One never knows in advance, in all things Human... ;)
     
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  19. Mr.X

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    Look the amount of dislikes this crap has



    Big Reset occurring in front of your eyes.
     
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    Confirmation Bias

    Numbers don’t lie, except when they do.