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  1. Mr.X

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    Congratulations. You are on the right path to find health. Keep going. It's time to take back our power to control our health from Big Pharma and associates.
     
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    #2382 Yen, Apr 10, 2021
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    It is nice to see that you have found a natural (herbal) treatment which you really helped. Thanks for that link.

    I did synthetic drug design around 15 years, then I moved to phytopharmaceuticals.

    Herbals still have tradition, especially at Asian culture.
    I cannot talk about details, but we also sent phyto related agents to COVID testing and some turned out being very potential killing the virus.

    The general fact remains, the agent has to arrive there where it is needed and to remain there long enough to take actions, though.
    This is part of further testing.

    Ivermectin is something 'in between', but it still can be considered as being a natural drug as well. It's a product of bacteria streptomyces avermitilis.

    Ah btw found an exhaustive pdf about the history of COVID-19 with a lot of interesting scientific facts.

    Although the headline is related to ivermectin the article has a great introduction into the subject COVID and the medical fight against it.
    It's huge but quite full of interesting infos. It has been published in THE JAPANESE JOURNAL OF ANTIBIOTICS.

    http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/JJA74/74-1-open/74-1_44-95.pdf

    It's a good read, IMHO.
     
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    #2384 Yen, Apr 15, 2021
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    Another conventional drug that looks promising has completed phase 2 for COVID testing. (I first heard about that last November).
    "Inhaled budesonide in the treatment of early COVID-19 (STOIC): a phase 2, open-label, randomised controlled trial"

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00160-0/fulltext

    gorski once posted that we have something against COVID in advance already (referred to oxford vaccine).

    Yes we do. IF we would have focused on conventional drug screening we highly probably would not need any shortened vaccine development. We'd have enough time to do state of the art development with real safety (which mostly consumed 8-12 years average).

    BTW: Reason returns:
    In world first, Denmark ditches AstraZeneca's COVID-19 shot.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-denmark-vaccine-idUSKBN2C118T

    Switzerland did it best, though. They never have approved (EUA'ed) that.
    J&J and AZ should vanish forever, IMHO.
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    Vaxzevria

    Different disguise same wolf.


    AstraZeneca: this s**t doesn't sell anymore, lets change its name.
    Fools: New vaccine! Better and safer!!! Yay!
     
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    I was vaccinated with Astrom? What is the problem? I asked to be vaccinated with all the available vaccines on the market every month. They didn't give it to me and I need to keep the antibodies at the level. That immunity in humans is zero it is not the fault of Astra or anyone else, someone was hit by a small virus and you are already in hospital.. Šonje. Are you aware of the complexities of human biology? Not everyone can be satisfied with the same vaccine that goes to everyone. Live an unhealthy life and expect to get vaccinated and continue to live an unhealthy life. It can't be that way.
     
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    #2388 Yen, Apr 16, 2021
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    For the vast majority there is no serious problem, although the side / adverse effects are far above of the common vaccines. This applies also to deaths associated to the COVID vaccinations.(Cerebral venous thrombosis).
    If one is convinced to use a vaccine, it is fine to do. It is a personal decision.

    No immunity is not zero. Most of humans have cross immunity coming from former corona viruses. Without that fact COVID-19 would be far more severe. 85% of infected people do not get any symptoms or mild symptoms only.
    Have you ever heard of authorities whose job is to guarantee for drug safety? Do you know what pharmacovigilance means?
    And do you know why drug / vaccine development always took 8-12 years in average and the fastest vaccine development so far took 5 years?

    If a drug is dangerous authorities have to withdraw it. (Or should never approve it). This is common sense and not a question of 'fault'.

    Yes I am. I am involved in drug development. It is even that fact (complexity) that requires a proper risk / benefit analyses in advance.


    For you @Mr.X. And congrats to Mexico applying good politics on ivermectin. (The mentioned good results are from last April already!!!)

    I wish the EU people here would be also reasonable. "big science vs little science". I like this video.Test and if positive treat with ivermectin. The world cannot wait for the vaccines and if being positive already a vaccine would not help at all.

     
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    #2389 Muerto, Apr 16, 2021
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  10. Mr.X

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    #2390 Mr.X, Apr 19, 2021
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    This is a Lancet's article that exposes some of the reasons why I don't trust scientists anymore at least not easily anymore.

    Ten scientific reasons in support of airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2

    OOOhhhhh nooooooo!!! I'm scared now! Everybody should be scared!!! FEAR!!!!
    This bs comes from highly respected Lancet when China conducted a large scale study which shows quite the opposite.
    And what are those acts they allegedly should be implementing?
    Yes you guessed correctly: more lockdowns, more f**king masks and the same inhuman crap they have been implementing.


    Which country you think has more hygiene? A third world country like Mexico or first class countries like those where you or most of you MDLers live right now?

    Listen I'm Mexican and since the beginning of this plandemic me and my wife and 2 children teenagers haven't used mask whatsoever. Yes I have to use them inside a supermarket but guess what those masks we use are not surgical grade, they are made of a crappy piece of fabric and we use them with our nose uncovered whenever possible.
    Public transport... roflmao I make use of public transport everyday and my family TOO!
    Guess what... Yes you guess right: Here's Mexico and we don't use masks inside the bus. They're mandatory to use them but we and some people don't use them either. Most use that stupid muzzle. We have been exposed to the virus most likely. Impossible not to be exposed to that s**t already.
    We haven't get severely ill in the past 12 months or so. Just my wife with common cold or so it seems. My son (19) works on a supermarket as a cashier with his nose uncovered and got sick once just once with fever and vomit / diarrhea . Most likely the f coronovirus. We didn't isolate each other on the contrary I kissed him a lot. WE ARE NOT DEAD AS A RESULT.

    But we do certain things or practices most people don't:
    We go to the beach to get plenty of sun whenever possible
    We get sun even on the city.
    We walk a lot.
    We drink a lot of water.
    We drink a lot of GREEN SHAKES OR JUICES. DAILY DAILY DAILY at night with Raw broccolli, raw spinach, raw tomato, raw cucumber, raw lemon, raw ginger in it. Tastes like s**t? YES it tastes like s**t but the reward is a healthy life. Or make use of your or someones culinary skills to make them taste better.
    We eat unprocessed food.
    Unprocessed raw sea salt.
    Both kids excersise a lot.
    During the day, at least two pieces of fresh fruit.
    Nothing canned.
    No wieners no ham whatsoever.
    Red meat once a week
    Fresh fish two times a week caught here offshore
    We DON'T DON'T DON'T DON'T wash our hands with soap at all, just plain water. Soap is used when we get too much fat or dirt. DON'T DESTROY YOUR SKIN MICROBIOME ffs
    Don't believe the hype, don't use bacterial soap, or hand sanitizer with alcohol. Oh God.
    Do ENEMAS, learn the forbidden health. Detox your body. LEARN HOW TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR GUT, especially the colon. It is a key piece or has a central role in the inner workings of your immune system.
    Clean your gallbladder and liver.

    STOP or at least begin to reduce WHITE FLOUR food, you know, white bread, pancakes, cakes, muffins, stop eating too much CHIPS, I know, they are delicious. We're still eating them but not as much as before.
    Lower your refined white sugar intake. All these factors acidify your internal fluids. Acid environment is an open door to infectious diseases and chronic diseases. ALKALINITY.



    STRENGTHEN YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM (screaming out loud!!!! lol)

    Yes yes yes: Chlorine Dioxide in form of CDS, godsend.

    And next week we're gonna try, for the first time, ta da!: SEAWATER.
    A friend is gonna take us to a 1 hr trip in a place where we can extract seawater and pour it into 20 lt drums.

    And last but not least:
    BREATHE without using a muzzle ffs

    PLEASE... UNDERSTAND... we are not designed to go around with a mask/muzzle on. It's not natural. Masks are undermining our health slowly. Don't breathe your own toxic waste gases.

    SARS-CoV-2 fatality rate: 0.3% (only 3 out of 1,000 infected people die)
    Why we have more deaths? Yes you're right. People are dying from "normal" diseases like every any other year prior to 2020.
    But they say it's corona. Well they are using RT-PCR tests which are a f scam to diagnose properly ( 80+ % false positves)
     
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    #2393 Mr.X, Apr 20, 2021
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    So you sacrifice your normal natural life for staying safe?
    Hiding from a virus with a fatality percentage of 0.3%?
    Running away from a disease that sooner or later will be tagged and treated as endemic?
    If endemic are you going to hide forever?
    Now that there are drugs (Ivermectin) and alternative solutions to kill the virus?
    Knowing that Covid-19 is not only a infectious disease caused by a virus but a set of factors (multifactorial) starting with the weakness of your body?
    Not every body out there is weak enough to be severely ill or killed by Covid-19 (fatality rate).
    Really?
     
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    Out of the house you are in for a fortune!
    20% you'll be hit by a car.
    10% a brick will fall on your head.
    50% you'll get hit in the face by an alcoholic neighbor.
    15% you'll fall down an open manhole.
    0.0001% you die from a virus.
     
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  14. Mr.X

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    I completely forgot all the other chances studied by probability and statistics lol
    I'd add without knowing figures
    - crap food you eat every f single day
    - lack of excercise: we were designed to "run after the chop" roflmao (mexican saying)
    - smoking
    - dringking a lot of alcohol
    - bad habits like sleeping too late
     
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    #2396 Yen, Apr 20, 2021
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    The issue is basically reasoned by a general difference to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    I had posted that already. (And I had posted that on youtube. I either got deleted for it or people called me names.)
    A classic vaccine is usually the antigen itself, mostly inactivated virus.

    Genetic vaccines are different BECAUSE they do have their own ways how they spread!!!
    Besides of that (that is a difference that applies to all jabs) the administration is different compared to original infection.

    This is very simple reasoning:
    -Compare an original infection to the way of application of a vaccine
    -Secondly: Compare how they spread and how is the difference.

    OK. SARS-CoV-2 is an respiratory system related virus. Compared to an intramuscularly jab the way it enters body is very different!
    Secondly. mRNA and vector based vaccines do NOT contain the antigen, but a blueprint how to make it.
    An inactivated virus would be already the virus / antigen. BUT mRNA and adenovirus based vaccines firstly have to enter the cell, to make it making the antigen and to get eliminated after.

    Blood clots do happen even because the antigen / antibody appears there where it never would. (cerebral venous thrombosis.). This is not happening at original infection (clots yes but at other places).
    Or you can say: mRNA nano lipids and vector viruses have another affinity to human cells and hence 'infect' different ones and by that do appear at different places. (compared to the original virus).

    The actual issue then is rare cases of Pathologic Antibodies to Platelet Factor 4.
    This issue is also found at HIT (Heparin-induced thrombocytopenia). That's why Heparin as a blood thinner is CONTRAINDICATED!

    And when calculating the risk / benefit ratio properly it is VERY different depending on age group.
    Actually below 21 years of age the risk of AZ vaccine to die from adverse effects is already similar as compared to the wild infection.

    'Scientists' make a severe error when generally comparing death probability of vaccine to mortality by SARS-Cov-2.
    They do not consider the fact that vaccination is a 100% decision and SARS-CoV-2 infection is a probability below 100% AND they do not consider that fatality rate at COVID is concentrated at higher ages. (In other words, the vast majority that dies from COVID is above 75 years, BUT not those who have died from a vaccine like AZ)!

    The death probability rate is from around 7000/1 at older people and goes down to 14/1 or even less!
    (Means to die from COVID compared to die from a vaccine like AZ).
     
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  16. Mr.X

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    YouTuber now? Lol
    What's your channel?
     
  17. Yen

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    Ermm, no I am no active youtuber making own vids. I just use my old android account to post comments over there. (Made actually not much sense).
    Either the author did censor me or others there were calling names. LOL.
     
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  18. Mr.X

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    Oh ok now I get it.
     
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    A new study by the University of Oxford reports that the risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT, i.e. blood clots in the brain) after covid vaccinations is about 8 to 10 times lower than after covid disease (4 to 5 per million vs. 39 per million). Moreover, the study indicates that the risk of CVT is in fact similar after AstraZeneca (adenovector) and after Pfizer and Moderna (mRNA) vaccines.

    But the study overestimates the CVT risk after covid, because the analysis was based on a US health records network comprising “hospitals, primary care, and specialist providers”, whereas most people with mild covid don’t visit a doctor or a hospital. Furthermore, the study underestimates the CVT risk after vaccinations, because it included everyone who had received “a first dose of the vaccine”, whereas side effects are generally more severe after the second dose.

    Adjusting for these two biases, the CVT risk after full vaccination could be equal to or higher than the risk after covid itself. The main difference is that CVT caused by covid affects primarily older people with more comorbidities (as the Oxford study confirms), whereas CVT caused by vaccines affects also, and perhaps even more so, young and healthy people (which is why it was noticed). In other words, the vaccines may cause symptoms of severe covid in young people at very low risk of severe covid.

    In addition, confirmed cerebral venous thrombosis is not a major cause of death after covid vaccinations. The major causes of post-vaccination deaths, according to official reporting systems, are ‘general disorders’, ‘cardiac disorders’ (e.g. heart failure, heart attacks), ‘nervous system disorders’, ‘respiratory disorders’ (e.g. blood clots in the lung), and general ‘vascular disorders’.

    Conclusion: Covid vaccines are generally effective, at least against current virus variants, but they are not mature medical products meeting the highest medical safety standards. There are already more than 5,000 post-vaccination deaths reported in the US and in Europe, and given underreporting and reporting backlogs, the real figure may be significantly higher. In Israel, an unexplained increase in all-cause mortality after the vaccination campaign has been registered.

    Update: The Norwegian Institute of Public Health stopped the AstraZeneca vaccine, arguing that “the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people.”

    See also: Vaccines: Successes and Controversies (15 documentaries)
     
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