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Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by luzea, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Mr.X

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    Did you actually talk to them now and ask about the deaths?
     
  2. Yen

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    #2442 Yen, Apr 29, 2021
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    Check this out!
    source: https://www.world-today-news.com/co...by-controversial-drug-only-approved-for-dogs/

    At beginning of March remind that. Now check this:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/czech-republic/

    They peak'ed there with 16,777 active cases. Now they are at 2,579!
    Daily deaths: 234 now 51! I bet it'll go down further very soon.

    Why not India in time and more consequently? Well, distribute IVM to 1.3 billion people compared to 12.65 million. It takes more time. Time which is actually NOT needed IF taken IVM seriously far before that mess could ever happen.

    It IS known that IVM works since last April already!
    Czech Republic has a dynamic as they would vaccinate as strong as Israel!

    Can we afford to suppress IVM any further? Just coincidence?!?

    This is real crime!

    The 'old' Merck once donated lots of IVM doses as an act for humanity to fight parasites!
    Now the new Merck is badmouthing their own stuff saying it can be dangerous to fight COVID and saying there is no benefit. How could they at all? Where do we live??????
     
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  3. vladnil

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    In that respect, what is shown on TV is not valid.

    Only in that respect.
     
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  4. mdl052020

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    Television always misguide n we must always prefer to beleive on reality .
    Television channel partners receive an fixed ammount of charges from current active political party funds to show people what those politicians want them to see.
    is a valid fact with concrete evidence.
    Plus if TV channel partners wont agree with politicians then either there channel will be barred from brodcasting department.
     
  5. Palladin

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    Yen:
    Thanks for reviewing his post. The guy's not a doctor, but reads a lot, and understands the complicated stuff better than most people....me included. I'm pretty sure that he believes what he posts is the truth, as he sees it. But in anything as complex as what he is discussing, there are bound to be errors. But at lease he's willing to put it out there for all to see, and someone like you can comment on his reasoning.

    That's why it's very important to have second, or even third opinions on such complex matters. Your analysis of the information adds to what he has posted, and hopefully this conversation will be picked up by enough people to make a difference in what the MSM reports.

    We can only hope....

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  6. gorski

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    What, you two have a better overview than god knows how many agencies collating all the data from all sorts of places in India or Brazil or...???

    Who are you kidding?!? What arrogance!!! Yeah, only you and your conspiraloon "colleagues" can possibly know what is "real", ahaaaaa....

    This is the oldest conservative clobbering tool known to Humanity: deny any capacity of understanding "reality" to anyone but yourself!!!

    What a laugh!!! How many doctorates and wealth of resources, tons of information do you two have?!?
     
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  7. vladnil

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    Guys, what can we talk about if schools teach the multiplication table from the beginning is just a lie!
    They write 2*3=6.
    Why don't they multiply but add up?
    The correct solution is:
    2*3=
    Take a pen and paper and write down
    2*2*2=8
    And you say media, propaganda?
    The schools are initially fooling people into growing up to be freaks!
     
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  8. Yen

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    #2448 Yen, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:20
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    I am no doctor either, not to talk about being a MD.

    That guy is mostly reasonable and has a good way how to argue. It would be interesting to debate with him and I bet the few points I'd have an objection to can be clarified quickly.
    I'll soon read more of what he's posted, to catch up on more fine details.

    My contribution based on my profession comes from the drug development side, clinical trials, and how to categorize such.
    The basic biology related stuff I got from the company academia's courses and Biologists which are my colleges.
    I learn every day more about.

    But the subject corona unveils lots of other things which go utterly wrong, especially at media, politics and capital related medical directions. This happens at medical authorities and politics.

    They reduced medical capacities, anything capital orientated and then they blame people for exhausted capacities when not following their rules or dare to suggest alternatives to their politics.

    Corona divides our society. And even artists speaking out another way of how to see things get discredited not following the govts POV.

    I never thought it would happen here as well. There was a campaign, an ironic and sarcastic one to criticize the govt about their corona measures and arrogant claim to have rent the scientific truth on their own alone while ignoring available cheap medications and alternative ways how to handle the crisis. Those artists who did that got a huge s**t storm from those scared by covid and hence driven to the vaccines.

    The govt's politics is easy. Lock down all the time until anybody is vaccinated. This is all!!! NO intention to listen to alternative ideas. No idea to question themselves. Bending and manipulating medical facts and studies to support the vaccines and to suppress alternatives.

    And they also adopt laws which are highly questionable breaking the constitution.

    And I also can only hope things after the crises will get worked off and those who clearly have suppressed medical help, suppressing the MDs fighting against corona following the Hippocratic oath, and by that are causing unnecessarily victims will be held responsible for that.

    And there is a simple maths.
    If 80% of all people do not get remarkably sick by the infection there are 80% of people for those the risk / benefit ratio of a vaccine is zero, means there is risk only.

    -handing out alternative drugs/ forcing research on their screening
    -tests if a cross-immunity is there already
    -prophylaxis
    -vitamins and supportive supplements to strengthen immune system

    Nothing!
     
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  9. gorski

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    How we decide is always important, no matter what the topic! But that is not the issue here, right now: it's

    1) whether one would let the alleged 20% susceptible to the virus - fall by the wayside, for the comfort of the majority (and let the medical services be overrun and exhausted, virtually stopped for all other patients);

    2) no one knows (even the young people!!!) if s/he is susceptible to the virus - who is STUPID enough to play the Russian roulette with his or - if one is an IDIOT or SOCIOPATH - who wants to play with other people's lives?!?
     
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  10. gorski

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    https://euobserver.com/tickers/151723?utm_source=euobs&utm_medium=email

    India passes 18 million infections and 200,000 fatalities
    By EUobserver

    "India's coronavirus cases passed 18 million after another world record number of daily infections and deaths, Deutsche Welle writes. Health ministry data showed there were 379,257 new Covid-19 cases and 3,645 new deaths on Thursday, making it the deadliest day so far for the country in the pandemic. The pandemic has killed 3.1 million people around the world, with more than 200,000 fatalities in India alone."

    Go on, hide all that behind "big" words or perhaps bastardising words, aimed at making it all "worthless" or "insignificant"... What does that kind of "perspective" make one?
     
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  11. mdl052020

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    Somebody must file a legal cause upon that writer . to get the detailed information upon this. i already know will let whole world the policy behind all that false articles as rumors worldwide nothing else. just to make fear in mind of people living happilly .
     
  12. gorski

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    Jesus Marx wept! You should get off the mountain sometimes and walk among the living, inform yourself...

    Btw, in Croatia most people are in awe of how great Germany is in every respect. I am no such uncritical fan of anything, so I tell them that it is a matter of perspective...

    Here is one such, differing perspective, from the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-efficiency-wrecked-its-covid-vaccine-drive
     
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  13. Yen

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    #2453 Yen, Apr 30, 2021 at 14:20
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    If 'we' would have focussed research on the phenomenon why there are people who simply stay being asymptomatic and would have developed a reliable test in time you could have spotted those who need protection for sure.

    The mentioned Cell study already determined t-cell factors which indicate RESPONSE to SARS-COV-2 in unexposed individuals. Why should such people getting a treatment / vaccine BEFORE other people who are really susceptible to severe covid?

    You could have put them without response on a reliable prophylaxis drug and / or you could use the limited jabs for them first. But instead of we insanely test who is positive or not and count them. And 'the scientists' are proud of science how sensitive their methods can be to even find a tiny amount of broken viral RNA to be counted to get a result which says absolutely nothing about being sick of COVID or not!

    People are still dying in hospitals because they do not get drugs like ivermectin and budesonide.

    When you go here to an ordinary MD and ask for such drugs they say. What? I don't know anything about their actions. Only the front-line care MDs are using it, they risk their job due to legal actions administering a drug which has not been officially approved.

    It's the damn job of ALL MDs to get educated and to administer those drugs NOT waiting for approval...just like Czech Republic is doing.

    News from the medical front-line, also India:

     
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  14. Mr.X

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    That's why dissidents call all this circus: PLANDEMIC
     
  15. gorski

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    Yen, this is all a bit silly - because it's "as if"... "As if we had such tools - at the time"...

    Land down... gently, please... Then, maybe we could talk...

    Btw, Czech R was in dire straits until recently... or...???
     
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  16. Mr.X

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    Dreadful propagandist
     
  17. gorski

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    Mindless, spiritually lazy conspiraloon!!!!
     
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  18. Yen

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    You are funny saying this. :)
    When one criticizes 'something' then the one mostly has in mind : "IF they would have done it 'another way'.....". means another idea which the one would consider as 'better', or am I wrong here?
    You also have better ideas in mind when criticising politics and the like, which definitely would mean saying 'IF.'

    It's is silly only IF the other idea wouldn't have been realisable 'at that time'. Or if it's absolutely out of that what could be realized.

    -ivermectin is known to work since last April
    -The phenomenon of asymptomatic progress is known since the beginning of the pandemic. Cross-immunity because of t-cell response has been observed and published at the Cell study months ago AND science is capable of developing such tests, it is no sci-fi.

    Silly is not to have pushed that 'in time'.

    Yep, Czech R. was. But finally they did go their own way not listening to the EMA and Merck themselves saying IVM is useless or not proven to work.

    But we here do still obey and do what the EMA and the RKI is saying...
     
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  19. Yen

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    BTW: The FLCCC has updated their treatment protocol in order to reflect the fact that the Indian variant is more contagious. It's because this variant has a faster rate of replication in human body.

    They raised the IVM dose level up to 0.4 mg/kg of body weight.
    AND they added Fluvoxamin. A drug that convinced me already before. :) (I am curious when Budesonide will be added, too.)

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
     
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  20. gorski

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    Yen, "your" sudden change of heart in this sorry matter was actually your "guru's" so called "idea" that this is "nothing", that it isn't a pandemic, that we should not implement all the measures necessary....

    And this was a man who was clearly NOT trained in Public Health Policy and he was also - I think - unaware of his religious bias, in this "thinking" on the topic!

    My criticism was very specific, principled, fact based.

    Here is more, an email I got from Avaaz, entitled "India":

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    "Dear friends,

    It’s like an endless line of death.

    People are being ferried on stretchers from hospital to hospital, gasping for air, only to be turned away. In Delhi, the situation is so bad that a temple is now providing breathing sessions on shared oxygen tanks, for those critically ill.

    India is buckling under the worst Covid surge in the world.

    With over 350,000 cases recorded a day and death stalking every corner, patients and families are racing against time, pleading for oxygen and medication outside overcrowded hospitals. Too often, they end up in mourning.

    Brave doctors, aid workers and local groups are doing all they can to fight this deadly virus -- but they’re extremely stretched, and need urgent help with life-saving supplies!"

    What the Hell is so difficult to see or understand here?!? Have you lot lost your mind or you just never head any empathy, only a calculator?!?

    Well, for some here we know they openly advocate eugenics, so there's that...

    But still, some claim they are empathetic and yet... this...
     
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