Coronavirus | Discussion

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by luzea, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. asache

    asache MDL Junior Member

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    Bio weapons are not defined by the number of deaths :)) they are called bio weapons even in testing lab where they test it on one subject ;)
     
  2. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    Anthrax was and in some places may still be a popular bio-weapon.
    If and I mean a big IF the Chinese were experimenting on the corona virus, and if it did escape a lab....do you honestly think anybody would admit that this sars/covid2 virus was created? The implications would be over the top
     
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  3. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

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    Perhaps the Indians researchers I posted before?

    Yes, implications would be over the top: Perhaps one or all are dead (silenced) by now.
     
  4. John Sutherland

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    I wouldn't surprise me one bit if China had not only developed the virus, but deliberately let it loose. Why? They might believe that they have actually have something to gain from it in the long run.

    Chinese economic growth has been slowly and steadily on the decline for the last 10 years. Back in 2011, their GDP was growing at 9.6% per year. In 2019, their GDP grew at only 6.6%. That's a big decline over 9 years. A large part of this is due to a worldwide economic slowdown over the past several years. Projections forecast that by 2021-2022, their GDP growth will fall below 6%, possibly as low as 5.5% per year. Seeing their economy going in the wrong direction is not what the Chinese government wants or needs. They've become used to spending a lot of money, particularly on their infrastructure and their military.

    Add to that the effects of the Trump administration's tariffs on many Chinese imports, and the upcoming trade agreements, and China will be seeing even less money from the U.S. than they are now. China will still be making a significant amount of money on exports to the U.S., but under the planned trade agreements, a lot more of that money will be coming back to the U.S. due to relaxed import restrictions on U.S. goods and the opening of new markets to American businesses. So their net economic gain over us will be less in the future.

    Remember, part of their plan is to be the world's economic leader by 2049, the 100th anniversary of Mao's rise to power. In order to do that, they must continue to rise while the U.S. declines.

    So what exactly do they hope to gain by having a worldwide pandemic? Two things as far as I can see:

    1.) This has definitely hurt their economy, but it has also hurt every other nation's economy as well, particularly here in the U.S.. Are they are hoping that their economy will recover sooner than ours, giving them an advantage? Or do they feel "If we're going down, we're taking you down as well."? Pure speculation on my part, it is a huge gamble to take, but it does seem that the worst part of this epidemic is behind them, while the U.S. has yet to see the worst. Maybe their economy will be back in business while the U.S. economy is still floundering? Only time will tell.

    2.) They definitely DO NOT want to see Donald Trump win re-election and another four years in office. They are hoping that the Trump administration will bungle this, adding to the suffering of the American people, and they will lose faith and elect a new president. Another big gamble. Granted, Trump has had his bad moments with handling this crisis, but then again the Democats have shot themselves in the foot and selected Joe Biden as their nominee to be. We'll see what happens if and when the Democrats have their convention. In any case, they desperately want a return to the trade policies of the past, basically the U.S. taking a hands-off approach and letting them dictate the terms of China - U.S. trade.
     
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  5. Joe C

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    #245 Joe C, Apr 6, 2020
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  6. Barako

    Barako MDL Novice

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    Opportunities are either untapped or misused.
     
  7. vladnil

    vladnil MDL Member

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  8. Yen

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    This is very far fetched.
    Besides of that, that scientists have back tracked the evolution and mutations of the virus to a repeated animal-to-human transmission at the seafood market in Wuhan, ...why would China deliberately let loose the virus in their own country (by an infected mammal) AND why would they not develop a vaccine before they let loose it?

    This makes no sense at all!
    If I would do that I keep the virus, I develop a vaccine and then I would go to where I want have damage....I would take the vaccine and sell it all over the world...
     
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  9. Bat.1

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    Bat just read on the Internet that armadillos with leprosy Did Not escape from a Research Lab in Lafayette Louisiana in the early 1970's and infect the native armadillo population o_O
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    Armadillo was some good eatin (provided you weren't de one to clean them) :oops:
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    Taste just like pork without the fat ;)
     
  10. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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  11. Michaela Joy

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    There are many toxic animals, and mammals are not the only ones.

    Take a look here.

    http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/amnesic-shellfish-poisoning

    Perhaps man is indirectly responsible, because certain triggers can cause algal blooms rich in domoic acid, but we didn't weaponize
    it.

    Perhaps the Chinese saw the problem and started to lay the groundwork in understanding COVID 19.
    Certainly, an accident might have taken place which released COVID 19.

    How about Lyme Disease?

    https://www.aldf.com/did-lyme-disea...ter-where-scientists-were-conducting-top-sec/

    Did we weaponize it? Can we prove that we did not do this?

    Oh, and we musn't forget Chernobyl, Fukishima or Ebola Reston.

    Nature is vicious and crafty.

    And it doesn't need our help.
     
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  12. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    Back up the bus there MJ...
    Eating strange critters can and will make you sick. But.....Lyme disease from a deer tick is not spread from one person to another. You comparing apples to oranges.
    Nuke accidents are just that. Accidents, no country would poison a mass amount of innocents for no reason (although some countries might to fend off insurgents)
    Ebola.... from humans playing with and eating monkeys and or bats, Those govts must stop people from eating strange critters! (same in Asia/China). Africa, where Ebola started... does not strike me as a place where they would do experiments with viruses
     
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  13. Yen

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    "COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin"
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

    What's interesting there:

    The 'problem' at such viruses that (can) has (have) an animal host is the way how people live together with animals and what's their 'purpose' there..I mean food or potency remedy
     
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  14. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    That's why governments from all countries must stop people from handling and eating critters that are "un-natural" Like monkeys, bats, ant-eaters and whatever else. I believe this is how the original Sars/Corona viruses started, but we (mankind) may have played a role in that advancement by experimenting.
    We already have cows,sheep, chickens, pigs, squirrels, rabbits, deer, elk, bear, kangaroos and possibly horses.... Why does mankind need to go farther?
    Edit: I personally do not consider dogs and cats as a "natural" food source.
     
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  15. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    @Joe C: Okay...

    Cows are a latecomer because of the cruetzfeld-jakob prion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopathy

    Sheep...The origin of Smallpox / Sheeppox

    https://www.who.int/biologicals/vaccines/smallpox/en/

    Chickens...

    https://wsava.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Clinician-s-Brief-March-2018-TP-Backyard-Chickens.pdf

    Pigs...

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-05-pig-virus-potential-threat-humans.html

    With that said, I suppose we should all watch what "critters" we put in our mouths.
     
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  16. MS_User

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    theirs a lot of 5G conspiracy being the cause of the pandemic and not corona sense the first 5G network started wuhan province....i dont believe it but is going around all the social networks some claim 5G is very dangerous because of the high radiation the tower push out.
     
  17. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

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    Puta madre! Está muy cabrón entender tu inglés!
    Geez
     
  18. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

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    :D:D:D:D
     
  19. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    o.k.
    I'm only going to eat squirrels and rabbits with an occasional opossum, If I lived in the south I might consider a gator...
    Edit: I could get worms from eating rabbits out of season, but they ain't got no viruses!
     
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  20. vladnil

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