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  1. case-sensitive

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  2. Mr.X

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    So what, are you mocking Streeck?
    We already know what vaccines are capable of.
     
  3. gorski

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    And again, @Yen, you were mucking about the MEASURES, when I insisted on them, as a part of the policy!!! You are all over the floor, man! I am sorry but you can't have it both ways!

    If vaccines are not as good as they claimed they are - THE MEASURES ARE A MUST!!!!

    Now, I need to see X's reaction to it... :rolleyes: :p
     
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  4. Yen

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    Yes I did and I still do.

    And I have tried to reason it at many of my previous posts.
    ALL the measures were made dependently on the numbers of PCR counts.

    And those numbers say nothing about COVID-19, the sickness.
    You only count all them having FRAGMENTS of a virus. CT values above 27 are scientifically bulls**t.

    And since all the measures are based on non evidential numbers they are flawed as well.
    Now we have to deal with collateral damage which is caused due to stupidity of public health.
    Driven of fear with any lack of rational mind and Reason. Pushing experimental 'vaccines'.

    A psychopathology of a nation, of humanity.
     
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  5. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Hold on: are you claiming hospitals were not overwhelmed, people were not dying in huge numbers, so "therefore" no measures were/are needed?!?
     
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  6. Palladin

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    #2806 Palladin, Jul 22, 2021
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    One of the very annoying things the media does is to selectively report information regarding Covid-19. The headlines scream 845 CASES REPORTED TODAY !! But what they don't report on is who is doing the reporting, and what is the Cycle Threshold that each of CASES is using. No big deal you say? It's like the media saying that "A man was taken into custody accused of drunk driving." But fails to say what the Blood Alcohol Level was, so you have no reference how drunk the man was. In most any drunk driving story the media reports, they will almost always report what the BAL was. But you never hear the hard hitting reporters specifying what the Cycle Threshold average was for each of the reporting agency. Nor do you ever hear any media talking head discussion just exactly what the Cycle Threshold is and why it's important if it's over 25.

    And they leave out facts that just might cause the average person to question the importance of what the danger of Covid-19 really is. For example, here's a headline of a local TV stations talking about the surge in cases:
    https://www.fox13now.com/news/coron...id-cases-surge-to-early-2021-levels-wednesday and they even list the number of deaths at 2,424.

    But a little simple arithmetic taking the total population of Utah of 3,310,374 divided by the number of Covid-19 deaths yields 0.0732% Covid-19 deaths as a percentage of the total population, or put another way, you have a 99.93% chance of not dying from Covid-19. And that's an average of all deaths, and all ages. If the numbers were to be broken down by age group it would probably show that 50% of the deaths were over the age of 70. Or doing another simple calculation 3,310,374 / 2,424 you would have a 1 in 1,365 chance of dying from Covid-19.

    And this is taking the reported numbers at face value not even questioning whether the deaths were from Covid-19 or with Covid-19 along with other comorbidities, being overweight, COPD, heart problems etc.

    I expect if anybody examined the reported numbers and did a little simple analysis they would probably find that most all of the reported numbers are following this omission of the Covid-19 deaths as a percentage of the total population. And I would challenge anybody to find any Main Stream Media outlet anywhere even discussing what the Cycle Threshold is, and why it's important in reporting case count of Covid-19.

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  7. Mr.X

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    :moon: that's my reaction, fair enough?
     
  8. Mr.X

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    No they were not. Workers were dancing around all rooms and floors. The pseudoscience behind those measures are bulls**t.

    My claim on this matter if you ask me is you're an *"""""$¢_""*#$""$$__""$$
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  9. vladnil

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    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
    2021-07-23_175224.jpg

    Snapshots of what happened on the 21st and 23rd
    U.S. CDC website stats on the 21st 12,000 deaths, and on the 23rd already 6,000 deaths from covids
    Gone in two days 6,000
    Go to the link.
    Down to
    Reports of deaths after COVID-19 vaccination are rare.

    Well it's clear that there are lies all around, and especially related ones where there are statistics!
    No one is counting anyone by hospital, and this is a math model of counting, just like everything else around here. The same crown is a mathematical model in 3D.
    The main thing is that the directors and scientists of the Moderns became billionaires according to Forbes magazine in just one month
     
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  10. Mr.X

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    See? Globalists and Pharmafia starting to demonize Ivermectin. Just like they did with Chlorine Dioxide.

    A well presented video with a smart chosing of words and ideas to blur Ivermectin's brilliance.

     
  11. Yen

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    #2811 Yen, Jul 25, 2021
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    The mechanism is correct, anyway they used a term 'hacking' that can lead to a bias. The 'm' at mRNA stands for messenger. A message is a means of communication.
    Naturally it happens this way:
    Cells need to make proteins and other substances in order to do their function. Anything is encoded in our DNA in the nucleus. On demand the particular place where the info is 'stored' at the DNA is opened and transcribed into a mRNA. This mRNA contains the recipe for the protein, leaving the nucleus and entering the cytoplasm (the space outside of the nucleus, still inside of the cell, though)
    There it goes to the ribosome. Ribosomes are like head cooks. They translate the recipe into the particular protein / substance by making them.

    mRNA vaccines: A foreign mRNA is delivered to the ribosomes directly. The mRNA is embedded in a lipid nano particle so it can enter a cell, reaching cytoplasm. Its origin is foreign it is no transcription of human DNA.

    In simple words. You tell the cell's head cooks to cook something 'you' want. The mRNA has to have the right formation in order to get accepted. The vaccine makers have decided to let cook the S protein of the SARS-COV-2 virus original Wuhan type so far.

    At vector virus vaccines there is one additional step ahead.
    The vehicle is not a lipid nano particle, it is a DNA virus, an adeno virus.

    The S protein is (this time) encoded as DNA (not RNA). The adeno virus carries this information. When injected the virus enters the cell and also enters the nucleus. There it releases its DNA. The DNA opens up and gets transcribed into a mRNA.
    And now the same steps happen:
    (copy and paste):
    This mRNA contains the recipe for the protein, leaving the nucleus and entering the cytoplasm (the space outside of the nucleus, still inside of the cell, though)
    There it goes to the ribosome. Ribosomes are like head cooks. They 'translate' the recipe into the particular protein / substance.
    This time the one coming from the modified adeno virus (which also is code for the S protein of the Wuhan SARS-COV-2 virus)

    Using a / taking influence on a natural mechanism to 'achieve' something that can be helpful is not wrong per se.

    Most drugs for instance Aspirin are 'foreign' and our body uses them and we create 'unnatural' changes, especially at our bio-chemistry (pharmacology).

    Even because of that we have to test properly and long enough AND at all parts of corresponding science and not to leave out a few of them.
    That is the point! :)


    No of course I do not claim this!

    (And BTW there are other reasons why they got overwhelmed. One here in Germany is because they faked the numbers of free capacities to keep them always below 25% to get more money from the government. Once the capacity exceeded 25% percent they removed free beds to keep the numbers low. Criminals!!!)

    I have claimed that the focus on non evidential numbers has lead to flawed measures.
    You will see now what happens in UK when opening finally.

    The PCR numbers will still raise BUT the deaths will not follow. Why?
    What really works is and I have propagated this already before. To protect the vulnerable...and they are now by vaccines.

    The sad thing is they could have far before (IVM is known to protect since April 2020)....distributing established drugs to vulnerables which work. Until then more protection of the vulnerable people instead of to force all people wearing masks and to lock all them in only because the PCR numbers which are crap were increasing...

    The only number that is of interest in a pandemic is the fatalities.

    The flawed measures (applied because of high PCR numbers) I am talking about are nonpharmaceutical interventions NPIs such as masks and general lockdowns since they are of no significant use (Ioannidis study)

    And there is another myth.
    There are no vaccines which protect from an infection. Period.
    This is common medical sense. The PCR numbers will still go up and down.
    You still can get and spread the virus.
    The only thing they do if they are good is..they protect from getting (severe) ill.
    This is first semester of a medical study.

    Edit: And the crime is still going on.

    Applying general NPIs, measures, related to the useless PCR numbers.
    Causing more collateral damage to the general society.
    Not protecting the vulnerable by applying useful alternative drugs. No treat aggressively, treat early measures.
    Censorship of alternative drugs and so on.
    Pushing the vaccines, ignoring the huge amount of adverse events.
    Creating a 2 classes society, discriminating the non vaxxed people and so on...

    It is a shame!
     
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  12. case-sensitive

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  13. Palladin

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    Yen:
    Thanks for the great analysis.
    But I noticed something in the text quoted above in bold.
    Did you mean to insert a picture? If so it didn't show up in the original post.

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  14. Mr.X

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    Yesss




    Some day I'll see bringing Bill Gates in...
     
  15. Yen

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    No, I was just mentioning that I exactly copied and pasted 'the same steps' from above. :)

    "This mRNA contains the recipe for the protein, leaving the nucleus and entering the cytoplasm (the space outside of the nucleus, still inside of the cell, though)
    There it goes to the ribosome. Ribosomes are like head cooks. They 'translate' the recipe into the particular protein / substance."
     
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  16. Palladin

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    OK, got it.
    Just checking.
    I didn't want to miss any information that you posted.
    Thanks for clarifying.

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  17. boyonthebus

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    The Delta variant is here and kicking ass. People who didn't get vaccinated will be affected. Either get the vaccinations or get sick. It is horrible that health was politicized here in the U.S.
     
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  18. MS_User

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    #2818 MS_User, Jul 27, 2021
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    thats 100% true and you can be vaccinated and still contract the delta variant theres been cases reported of this happening....the problem here is to many people spreading flat out lies and conspiracy about getting vaccinated this thread is full of people like that and they have no idea of what there talking about.
     
  19. Mr.X

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    Ah let me guess, you positively have idea right?
    Enlighten us you holy and mighty with your brilliance.
     
  20. gorski

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