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  1. Yen

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    There are several severe adverse events which have been recorded. Some have caused deaths.

    Anaphylaxis
    Thrombosis and Thrombocytopenia AKA clothing and related stuff just like associated signs of paralysis
    myocarditis
    tinnitus
    vaccine induced long covid

    It's important to monitor them.The monitoring system has a major flaw, though.

    Usually at Phase III studies (and the experiment is an ongoing Phase III study since there is no approval yet only EUA) do have active reporting. Means each case has to be reported regardless of what is happening.

    We have only passive reporting. Means most symptoms after the vaccine are not reported at all since it is not a must.
    But what's really bad is...there are no consequences in a form of a protocol.
    Many people still cannot choose which vaccine they can get. Only sometimes.
    And there is no proper evaluation and informing.

    Most of the adverse events are happening with one particular vaccine (or at least significantly more there) and to one particular type of cohort.
    Myocarditis : Young males, mRNA
    Thrombosis and Thrombocytopenia AKA clothing: vector vaccines, females mostly mid of age.

    There should be a clear protocol which excludes the significant cohort who is more prone to the specific adverse event. This is rational and reasonable!
    But nothing. Get that what we have today, the vaccination rate has to be high as fast as we can...

    There are STILL practises which are irresponsible, yes dangerous.

    The authorities are influenced by lobbyists of the big pharma. They together have their 'scientists' which are always reporting in a friendly manner to support their fruitful alliance.
    As result there is BS like to vaccinate already recovered people, vaccinate kids, 3rd booster...

    Real scientists, those at the front-line who are saving lives in their hospitals every single day are gaslighted.

    They have build their own network exchanging their knowledge within each others.
    They release protocols and are the pioneers in understanding the sickness.

    There is where my attention is. It's my home.:)
     
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  2. gorski

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    #2902 gorski, Aug 6, 2021
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    Far be it from me to defend the pharma industry!!! If anything, @Yen defended them, against the public health interest, i.e. against scrutiny via testing before releasing these substances. This was a while back (Thalidomide tragedy gave his very harsh face to us...) but now - yet again - Yen shifts his position completely, since he is indeed adrift and obviously there are no solid principles at work here...

    These "incidents" are so tiny in proportion it is absolutely irrational to take it against them in an absolutist manner. No substance is treated this way, so suddenly why set up such rigidity and impossible to satisfy criteria, Yen?!?

    Every substance will have some, usually very small proportion of Humans react not so favourably if not even badly to it. So, why not maintain a criterion of proportionality, esp. given the speed needed - what gives?
     
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  3. case-sensitive

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  4. gorski

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    Either that or the well known floor cleaner, whichever comes to hand first...
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    Or any virus as we all know, unfortunately pink scum not. Oh wait, mRNA concoctions will :laie:
     
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  7. Mr.X

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  8. gorski

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    Oh, nooooo!!!! Yet more garbage from X-man? Jesus Marx wept!!! :D :p
     
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  10. Mr.X

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    This is really good news


    Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34250512/
     
  11. Yen

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    #2911 Yen, Aug 7, 2021
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    I haven't said a word about quantity. And assessed as being 'high'.
    Assess yourself: https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports

    I don't shift a position I categorize from 2 different perspectives ('times') and you are not able to recognize that.


    A pro statement about Thalidomide I used was: At that time the experiments and requirements for approval were not appropriate and sufficient enough that those severe adverse events on foetus could have been noticed / found in advance.

    This case even lead to a pharmacovigliance we have today. A complete revision where babies, kids and pregnant women have a far better protection...also due to intense testing.

    Today I claim for EVEN those safety standards we have gained due to the Thalidomide case!

    Or at least to elucidate people clearly speaking out:
    The vaccines have EUA only. We do not know that much about safety as for stuff that's got regular approval. And we do know nothing about long term effects.


    BTW
    In the meantime, today, Thalidomide is a useful drug and relieves a lot of suffering. Namely leprosy and cancer.
    At the latter it even inhibits those growth factors which let the cancer cells grow.
    Unfortunately those growth factors also play a role at foetal development. What happened...we all know...
     
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  12. gorski

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    20/20 hindsight vision, eh... However! You denied them the right to have had such stringent safety testing protocols back then, in that context and you were very, very harsh about it.

    And no, you have not assessed mRNA vaccines from 2 different aspects but you changed how you think about them completely. You praised them as "best" by far and now... Oh, well...
     
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  13. gorski

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    I mean... Honestly... :rolleyes:
     
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  14. case-sensitive

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  15. Mr.X

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    @ c**t-sensitive

    I do agree with all your points. You're a miracle happening...
     
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  18. MS_User

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    thats way wearing a mask works it minimizes the chance of you spreading the virus or being spread to you by others:rolleyes:
     
  19. Mr.X

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    I concur. Why they utilize the damn toxic spoke protein as antigen instead of a nucleocapsid protein or an enzyme like RNA polymerase.
    They, Pharmafia, did know exactly what they were doing.
     
  20. Mr.X

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    #2920 Mr.X, Aug 7, 2021
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    My take on this and message to this fascist stupid authorities: :moon:
    :moon: