Coronavirus | Discussion

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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Jesus Marx wept!!!

    Constantly moving the goalposts, are we? How convenient...

    "C-19 doesn't exist!" OK. So, you figured out it does.

    Next: "long C-19 doesn't exist". Yeah, tell somebody - months after having been infected - gasping for breath, tired after a few steps, with only (perhaps) 60% lung capacity, that it's only psychological... Moronic!!!

    Now we are complaining: "we are getting infected by others"... Guess what! Everyone kept telling you to GET VACCINATED!!! And what did we hear? Silence, eh?:confused:
     
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  2. Mr.X

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    #2922 Mr.X, Aug 8, 2021
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    I'm anxious waiting to see pinky buffon to justify this...

    Adherence to COVID-19 vaccines in cancer patients: promote it and make it happen!

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34147290/


    Whereas the exclusion criteria for vaccine trials during phase II, people with cancer were indeed excluded among others. For instance:
    Pfizer

    They can't say: "with this information or based on this data, we can assure, this mRNA vaccine is safe for people suffering cancer".

    NO WAY. CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PROMOTING C19 VACCINE FOR CANCER PATIENTS!!!!

    I'M PERPLEXED!!!

    How much they promised to you panthera rosaceae
     
  3. Mr.X

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    The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 induces endothelial inflammation through integrin α5β1 and NF-κB
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.01.454605v1


    What a nice surprise /sarcasm
     
  4. case-sensitive

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    #2926 R29k, Aug 8, 2021
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    CNBC: Here's what you need to know about the lambda Covid variant.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/09/covid-heres-what-you-need-to-know-the-lambda-variant.html

    Infection Control Today: More Data Point to Lambda Variant's Potential Lethality.
    https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/more-data-point-to-lambda-variant-s-potential-lethality

    Infection Control Today: Lambda Variant, COVID-19 Animal Hosts Present Deadly Mix.
    https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/lambda-variant-covid-19-animal-hosts-present-deadly-mix
     
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  7. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    That's all very droll but what does that have to do with me?!? Stop using drugs if you then can't understand the simplest things on Earth...
     
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  8. taviruni

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    #2928 taviruni, Aug 8, 2021
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    I will comment on this topic only once and will not comeback to this topic again.

    Following I will tell all of you my 2 close experiences with Covid and the vaccine.

    1.- On my aunt and uncle house are living three people: My aunt (86), my uncle (94) and my cousin (58), all got the 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine, their last dose was on April this year.

    My uncle got the virus last month (source unknown), with the age (94) he became diabetic (requires insulin daily), with high blood pressure and overweight (the 4 worst conditions), and was with feber, his oxygenation levels were very low, he was isolated in a bedroom for 2 weeks, with suplementary oxigenation for 3 days, rest of the time no more oxigen required, after 2 weeks all symptoms had gone and he is very fine since then, but nobody else got the virus at his home.

    2.- We are 3 in my home: My wife (63), my brother (58) and me (68), all got the 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine, my wife and myself last dose was on April this year, my brother last dose was on mid June this year.

    My wife (with overweight) got the virus because she went to the church (against my recommendations), after we noticed the first syntoms she was isolated in a bedroom, symtoms just like flu, no feber and good oxygenation levels, but she lost smell and taste, tomorrow will be the 15th day since first symptoms, she seems to be fine now but still feeling weak and tired. But (so far) nobody else got the virus at home.

    In my opinion, withouth the vaccine:
    • The two cases of the virus would have been much more severe, and at least the first one fatal.
    • The rest of us would have gotten the virus more easily because the symptoms were not detected immediately on both cases.
    We all know that there is a (minimal %) risk in vaccination, but it is less than get electrocuted at home during a thunderstorm.

    All of you are free to make your own opinions about this, but please use your own brain and don't pair attention to negative ideas, also please stop talking against vaccination, let other people take their own decisions and don't influence them with negative ideas because you could be sending people to dead.
     
  9. Mr.X

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    #2929 Mr.X, Aug 8, 2021
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    I pay attention to science regardless they sound negative or contradictory to the official narrative...

    • SARS COV 2 spike protein is cytotoxic
    • Artificial fabrication of spike protein inside cells made by vaccines such as Pfizer or AstraZeneca is highly toxic
    • Spike protein is well known to produce COVID-19 symptoms, including worst ones
    • Worst COVID-19 symptoms like low oxygenation are result from damage to the vascular endothelial tissue and blood clots caused by the spike protein
    • Most people will course the COVID-19 with mild to strong symptoms but will survive
    • Finally, because my finger is tired pressing phone keys, there are effective inexpensive treatments despite what health authorities controlled by globalist lunatics say otherwise
     
  10. Mr.X

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    #2931 Mr.X, Aug 9, 2021
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    :eek: Reuters
    WOW!

    Ok I'm ok

    Are you serious?

    E2vrslKWEAkTDnP.jpeg

    A f infographic from a "scientist" to discredit the INVENTOR OF mRNA GENE THERAPY TECHNOLOGY?!!!!!

    Is that a scientific study at all?
    :laie: :eek:

    :mad:

    This is real scientific evidence

    The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8

    This is plain stupid. Precisely, because I'm using my brain and common sense and personal experience, not speaking out loud vs these experimental gene therapies is sending people to probable death. If people want to inoculate they must do an informed decision.
     
  11. taviruni

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    I will not argue anymore about this, if you think you are right, so be it.

    I just hope you live long enough to realize how wrong your childhood fanaticism is.

    Have a happy infection when you get it.
     
  12. Yen

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    Anything wrong to have pointed on double standards?
    As being said, there is no personal assessment done by myself.

    To consider 405 as "relatively plenty" would be a consequence applying the same logic that <200 infected people were enough to assess high efficacy and to justify mass vaccination.
     
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  13. case-sensitive

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  14. gorski

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    Oh I can see double standards, alright, @Yen... Trouble is, you're guilty of it...
     
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  15. Mr.X

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    Again, where is, show me, point to me scientific studies proving those claims.

    Why should I believe those "fact-checks" lol
    And not this for example:

    The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 induces endothelial inflammation through integrin α5β1 and NF-κB
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.01.454605v1
     
  16. Mr.X

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  17. taviruni

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    #2938 taviruni, Aug 10, 2021
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    Your problem is you DO NOT clearly understand what you read, you understand what you want and accommodate it to your vaccine paranoia.

    The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 induces endothelial inflammation through integrin α5β1 and NF-κB >>> This is true, but it is related to the original protein in real virus.

    Following is an extract from: https://www.verifythis.com/article/...oxic/536-60122437-eaaa-458e-919a-06fa96fdf6c8

    THE QUESTION
    Is the spike protein in the COVID-19 vaccines cytotoxic?

    THE SOURCES
    • Dr. Carolyn Machamer, cell biology professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
    • Dr. Monica Gandhi, infectious disease physician and professor of medicine at University of California, San Francisco
    • Dr. Benhur Lee, microbiology professor at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
    THE ANSWER
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    No, there is no evidence the spike protein in the COVID-19 vaccines is cytotoxic. Experts say the spike protein created by the human body after mRNA vaccination is different than the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

    WHAT WE FOUND
    “The bottom line is the vaccine spike [protein] isn’t toxic,” said Dr. Carolyn Machamer, a cell biology professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.

    In a tweet shared thousands of times, Dr. Robert Malone, who identifies himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines, wrote: "The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is cytotoxic. That is a fact. Who says so? Multiple peer-reviewed references. The Salk Institute. It is the responsibility of the vaccine developers to demonstrate that their expressed version is not toxic. Show us.”

    Dr. Benhur Lee, a professor of microbiology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, said the potential cytotoxicity of SARS-CoV-2 has no bearing on the safety of the mRNA vaccines.

    “The sound bite ‘SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is toxic’ is not technically wrong—also not news at per se—but that has nothing to do with overall established safety of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, especially the mRNA vaccines,” Lee said.

    That’s in part because, according to Machamer, the spike protein in SARS-CoV-2 is different than the spike protein created after the administration of the mRNA vaccines.

    “The vaccine, at least the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, they supply the information to make spike, but it’s not exactly the spike that’s in the virus,” she said.

    “There are changes that were made on purpose that would prevent the spike protein from being able to undergo binding to the receptor and fusion,” Machamer explained. “And so, all this business about toxicity that has been shown for the real spike protein, the one that doesn't have that block, is totally irrelevant for the vaccine.”
     
  18. taviruni

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    #2939 taviruni, Aug 10, 2021
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    I'm waiting for your replay saying:

    That's not true they were paid by the labs making the vaccine to say that.

    Or maybe you could also say:

    They are part of an international conspiracy to reduce population.

    Or:

    They don't know what they are talking about.

    But per sure you, in your infinite wisdom know the true.
     
  19. Mr.X

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    #2940 Mr.X, Aug 10, 2021
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    True. My bad. I was wrong quoting that scientific study. On this case I grant you right.

    However, back to vaccines spike protein:
    It's clear you believe in pro vaccines arguments.
    I believe they are lying.
    I do believe in scientists like Dr Ryan Cole (watch video above) who say quite the opposite.