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  1. vladnil

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  2. case-sensitive

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  3. Yen

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    #2963 Yen, Aug 12, 2021
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    No, @gorski you didn't misinterpreting me, except when meaning that I do explicitly praise the covid mRNA vaccines, or praise vaccination against coivid in general.

    There are two different things.
    -vaccination as approach to break the covid pandemic and the fact that those vaccines rely on a completely new tech.
    -the covid vaccines and their relative differences.

    Once a person has chosen to take the vaccine I still would recommend mRNA for now. This has not changed. Your quotes of mine is my reasoning why.
    From the perspective of vaccination as general approach and new tech I also still stick to my doubts namely that vaccines can break the pandemic at all and the concerns that we do not know what happens in the future (adverse events).
    Also the side effects which are happening which are far more than average...(and false statements and pro bias of authorities, suppression of exchange, under-reporting of adverse events, extremely short period of time in development, excluded preclinical studies etc etc..)

    The conventional vaccines which are using inactivated or attenuated virus Sinopharm and Covaxin for instance seem to have less efficacy. I asked a Biologist what he thinks about. He has made a conjecture. If you 'weaken / disable' the virus too much it can turn out that the relevant parts of the virus get modified and the corresponding immune answer created is not that efficient any more.
    Finally one more word about my fav Novavax. (Again just a fav within the covid vaccines / candidates, no praising).

    Novavax is conventional because one injects the antigen.
    It's not inactivated or attenuated virus, it's spike protein that has been created within moth cells.
    Those S proteins are then placed on a synthetic particle that has approximately the same diameter than the original virus.
    This is called a recombinant vaccine.

    This one has no EUA yet and is an ALTERNATIVE for those who want to have an effective vaccine but are afraid of vaccines which are based on genetic material. (Efficacy seems to be good so far, not that weak as at the other conventional ones named above.)

    And I think there is another little issue in understanding.

    There is the human genome (there where our genetic info is stored. It's human DNA in our cell's nucleus) AND there is generally genetic material. (DNA, RNA)
    A mRNA does not enter the nucleus and the natural way of transcription and translation IS : DNA-->mRNA-->protein. At vector virus: genetic viral DNA (S protein encoded) --->nucleus-->mRNA--->protein.

    Anyway a mRNA vaccine is a gene therapeutic BECAUSE you inject the antigen in form of mRNA where it is encoded as such. And RNA IS genetic material. It is a genetic blueprint of the S protein!

    There are retro viruses as you know. THEY can go mRNA--->DNA this is called reverse transcription. This usually cannot happen at mRNA vaccines, though.

    And there is a simple rule, too. Only DNA can become included into human DNA / genome.
    RNA never. It's another 'language', therefore a reverse transcription into DNA has to take place first.

    Edit: Perhaps the reason of misunderstanding is just because I think the authorities do praise the vaccines on any costs and I am a sort of allergic to that. And I want to stay away from that.
    Whenever I hear the word "to praise" something..something like "praise the lord" comes into my mind.:D
    The new tech is fascinating to me and addresses the researcher in me. That's one point.
    But for the quickly developed vaccines against covid it still applies. I do not praise them. We still have to gather more data.
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    It's official, health authorities can order vaccination for those unvaccinated.
    First on Mexico City (CDMX) but eventually they will extend to all the country.


    Gaceta Oficial de la Ciudad de México - 9 de Agosto de 2021 - Art. 181 Frac. IV

    Gaceta Oficial de la CDMX - 09 - 08- 2021 Art 181 Fracción IV.jpg



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    Indeed a very very sad day for me and family.
     
  5. Mr.X

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    Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination?
    https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00392-3/fulltext
     
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    #2966 Palladin, Aug 14, 2021
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    Found this website recently.
    It has a lot of information regarding Covid-19.

    Ivermectin
    https://ivmmeta.com/

    HCQ
    https://c19hcq.com/

    Vitamin D
    https://c19vitamind.com/

    I have no way of knowing if the information is valid or factual.
    But from the depth of information it seems to be legit.

    Comments are welcome.

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  7. gorski

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    vladnil and X, you should have a head-together and agree on the attacking line, re. the link from Guardian on Pollard's current views... Understanding the article should really be a LOT better, though...

    @Yen, sorry but I can't agree with you on these twists and turns. I am even more vehement when it comes to holding Gov to account. But one must put all that assessment into it's proper context.

    Was there an alternative, given the scale of the issue(s), the pressure everyone was under? Frankly, it was close to a miracle, what was done in such a short period!

    Which is rather a good thing! We can do a lot, given the resources... And if we divert them from destructions to construction...

    This story is NOT necessarily a bad episode in many ways...

    P.S. You should be a lot more consistent...
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/09/cov...-brilliant-on-delta-variant-vaccinations.html

    The world is nowhere near the end of the Covid pandemic, says famed epidemiologist Larry Brilliant
    • The Covid-19 pandemic is not coming to an end soon, said Larry Brilliant, a top epidemiologist.
    • Brilliant, part of the World Health Organization team that helped eradicate smallpox, said the delta variant of coronavirus is “maybe the most contagious virus” ever.
    • Only 15% of the world’s population has gotten a Covid vaccine.
    Covid delta variant may be the most contagious virus we’ve seen: Epidemiologist

    The pandemic is not coming to an end soon — given that only a small proportion of the world population has been vaccinated against Covid-19, a well-known epidemiologist told CNBC.

    Dr. Larry Brilliant, an epidemiologist who was part of the World Health Organization’s team that helped eradicate smallpox, said the delta variant of the coronavirus is “maybe the most contagious virus” ever.

    In recent months, the U.S., India and China, as well as other countries in Europe, Africa and Asia have been grappling with a highly transmissible delta variant of the virus.

    WHO declared Covid-19 a global pandemic last March — after the disease, which first emerged in China in late 2019, spread throughout the world.

    The good news is that vaccines — particularly those using messenger RNA technology and the one by Johnson & Johnson — are holding up against the delta variant, Brilliant told CNBC’s “Street Signs” on Friday.

    Unless we vaccinate everyone in 200 plus countries, there will still be new variants.

    “I think we’re closer to the beginning than we are to the end [of the pandemic], and that’s not because the variant that we’re looking at right now is going to last that long,” said Brilliant, who is now the founder and CEO of a pandemic response consultancy, Pandefense Advisory.

    “Unless we vaccinate everyone in 200 plus countries, there will still be new variants,” he said, predicting that the coronavirus will eventually become a “forever virus” like influenza.

    Probability of ‘super variant’
    Brilliant said his models on the Covid outbreak in San Francisco and New York predict an “inverted V-shape epidemic curve.” That implies that infections increase very quickly, but would also decline rapidly, he explained.

    If the prediction turns out be true, it means that the delta variant spreads so quickly that “it basically runs out of candidates” to infect, explained Brilliant.

    There appears to be a similar pattern in the U.K. and India, where the spread of the delta variant has receded from recent highs.
     
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  9. case-sensitive

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  10. gorski

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    Lambda is scary, apparently....
     
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    #2971 Mr.X, Aug 16, 2021
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    You, pink strain, are scary. Definitely.
     
  12. gorski

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    Of course, a rational being is always scary to somebody utterly irrational...
     
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  14. gorski

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    Jesus Marx wept!
     
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  16. Mr.X

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    Soooo you, both you morons @gorski and @case-sensitive and others too, always mocking laughing at me calling me and others stupid ridiculous comspiraloonies of hell, how about EO83? Is that still a conspiracy theory or is it real enough?
     
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  18. Mr.X

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    numeral 18

    That's called legal jargon. It reads sounds tastes looks different to colloquial language
     
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