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  1. Mr.X

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    :laie:
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    Pinky you're so spiritually small I can't stop laughing.

    Britgirls, you made my day... At least my darn morning, couldn't sleep well damn benzo aftermath.
     
  2. gorski

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    To an idiot everybody sorted looks like an idiot, there is no escape from that "X"...
     
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  3. case-sensitive

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  4. Mr.X

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    #3024 Mr.X, Aug 22, 2021
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    Bingo! And now I found your mental issue. Well I already knew but it's worth to mention or highlight.
    You've always been afraid to say anything which could make you look like dumb.
    Most likely you never assisted to school afraid to ask stupid questions and get embarrassed for ridicule and you on the other hand mock from anyone who slipped a bit.
     
  5. Mr.X

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    huh? another lunatic trying to get into the boxing ring just to get awfully bashed
    hey pinky why did you want your brother get hurt?
    :laie:
     
  6. Mr.X

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  7. gorski

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    Well, if your prime source of misinformation is forced to state the obvious - chances are so will you... soon...:rolleyes::p:D:p

    Btw, have you seen that I said that I will shoot myself later for quoting Fcuk "News"?!? :D :p :D
     
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  8. gorski

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    This is how I see them, as well...

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  10. Mr.X

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    #3030 Mr.X, Aug 22, 2021
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    This is what I'm talking about, you're in your comfort zone. Better be with the official, trustworthy, "reputable".
    In the end, if anything turns out to be wrong, corrupt, bad, true conspiracy, you safely will say that the leaders, the politicians, the reputable scientists, etcetera are the ones to blame and mock. Not you.

    And it's ok, it's correct. However is wrong to tag as misinformation or bs, de facto, anything not coming from reputable sources. That's idiocy. That shows how ignorant arrogant prepotent coward and miserable you are.

    Such way of thinking shows your superiority complex. You feel better wiser smarter sticking only to reputable scientific sources.
    What a dumbass you are LoL

    You despising the fact there are corruption anywhere in this world, in any scientific field. Many discoveries are being blurred by the powerful interests.
     
  11. gorski

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    Meanwhile, at the dreaded reality seams bursting with information of the scientific kind...

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-aerosol-droplets-airborne-evolution

    New studies hint that the coronavirus may be evolving to become more airborne
    The virus appears to spread through the air, but masks reduce the amount of infectious virus

    "Small aerosol particles spewed while people breathe, talk and sing may contain more coronavirus than larger moisture droplets do. And the coronavirus may be evolving to spread more easily through the air, a new study suggests. But there is also good news: Masks can help.

    About 85 percent of coronavirus RNA detected in COVID-19 patients’ breath was found in fine aerosol particles less than five micrometers in size, researchers in Singapore report August 6 in Clinical Infectious Diseases. The finding is the latest evidence to suggest that COVID-19 is spread mainly through the air in fine droplets that may stay suspended for hours rather than in larger droplets that quickly fall to the ground and contaminate surfaces.

    Similar to that result, Donald Milton at the University of Maryland in College Park and colleagues found that people who carried the alpha variant had 18 times as much viral RNA in aerosols than people infected with less-contagious versions of the virus. That study, posted August 13 at medRxiv.org, has not been yet been peer reviewed. It also found that loose-fitting masks could cut the amount of virus-carrying aerosols by nearly half.

    In one experiment, the Maryland team grew the virus from the air samples in the lab. That could be evidence that may convince some reluctant experts to embrace the idea that the virus spreads mainly through the air.

    The debate over aerosol transmission has been ongoing since nearly the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic. Last year, 200 scientists wrote a letter to the World Health Organization asking for the organization to acknowledge aerosol spread of the virus (SN: 7/7/20). In April, the WHO upgraded its information on transmission to include aerosols (SN: 5/18/21). The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had acknowledged aerosols as the most likely source of spread just a few weeks before.

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    The masks volunteers wore in the Maryland study were mostly loose-fitting. They ranged from a single-layer homemade cloth mask early on and progressed over the course of the study to double-layer commercially made cloth masks, to double masks, surgical masks and one KN95 mask by the end. On average, the masks reduced the number of virus-containing, coarse aerosols produced by 77 percent compared with no mask. And virus-laden fine aerosols were reduced an average of 48 percent, though the reduction ranged from 3 percent to 72 percent. Masks performed equally well against the alpha variant as for other variants. Previous studies have suggested that well-fitting masks — ones that seal tightly to the face and don’t leave gaps at the tops, bottoms or sides for the virus to pass unfiltered — may reduce coronavirus exposure by 96 percent if everyone is wearing them (SN: 2/12/21).

    The latest results suggest that masks can help reduce the amount of virus people give off, though the coronavirus can still escape if the face coverings are worn loosely. “With the dominance of newer, more contagious variants than those we studied, increased attention to improved ventilation, filtration, air sanitation, and use of high-quality tight-fitting face masks or respirators … will be increasingly important for controlling the pandemic,” the researchers wrote. That’s especially important in places with low vaccination rates."

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-vaccines-help-covid-infected-already-pandemic

    How coronavirus vaccines still help people who already had COVID-19
    Past coronavirus infections offer some protection, but vaccines give the immune system a boost

    It’s unclear whether the findings would be the same for the delta variant, but Ollivere expects that antibodies from previously infected, vaccinated people should fight that variant off too. That should hold true as long as there are no major structural changes in the spike protein, which would help the virus better hide from antibodies, he notes. “And we know delta doesn’t have structural changes.”

    A separate study supports that hypothesis. Previously infected and vaccinated health care workers in France had antibodies that recognized delta better than antibodies from workers who were infected only, researchers reported in the Aug. 12 Nature.

    There’s hope that vaccines can tackle yet-to-be-seen variants, too

    The more people the coronavirus infects, the more mutations it will pick up, making some experts concerned that more worrisome variants than delta may be on the horizon (SN: 7/2/21). But the immune system is apt at rolling with the punches, continually refining its antibody arsenal to better recognize even mutated forms of the virus (SN: 11/24/20).

    One recent experiment offers even more evidence of vaccine-induced antibodies’ ability to recognize emerging variants. Antibodies from recovered COVID-19 patients who had been vaccinated stopped a version of coronavirus with 20 changes in it spike protein. The spike protein acts as a key to unlock and infect cells, but even with all the changes, antibodies still prevented the virus from infecting cells, researchers reported August 8 at bioRxiv.org.

    In the study, which has not yet been reviewed by other scientists, virologists Fabian Schmidt, Yiska Weisblum and colleagues engineered a harmless animal virus that doesn’t make people sick to sport mutated coronavirus spikes. The virus with 20 changes could replicate in lab-grown cells, but it didn’t fare as well as a version of the virus without those mutations — which suggests that the combination of mutations had negative consequences for the virus.
     
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    #3032 Yen, Aug 23, 2021
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    UK does really good studies.
    Here the latest one I have found (I usually stay away from 'common' media).

    https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-infection-survey/results/new-studies

    Entire pdf for those who want to go through the study.
    https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coro...ction-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf

    The most interesting points (which seem to underline my assessments).
    The vaccines are still good for delta in relation to severe covid and hospitalisation (death). At infections alone all them have lost effectiveness VE, though.
    Vaccines are more effective in younger people.

    Although as well: "However, Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people..."

    Clearly means: The vaccines won't stop the pandemic, vaccination is no act of solidarity, it's solely own protection alone. By that the purpose of a vaccine passport is highly questionable.

    Herd immunity (in terms of sterilizing immunity) will never be achieved.
    Herd immunity (in terms of not getting severely sick) is an achievable goal, though. (Either by current vaccines or natural infection once). And even without boosters.

    AB levels are waning after 4-5 months, but protection kicks in anyway. (Due to memory t and b cells).


    But...make your own conclusions reading the study. It's well done. :)
     
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  13. Mr.X

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    #3033 Mr.X, Aug 23, 2021
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    If this was true, explain the gigantic numbers of deaths, infected, sick, worldwide.
    Realize that most people are using the muzzle... Even for excersizing outdoors ffs!

    We can't sanitize the entire world.
    We can't run from every pathogen around us.
    It's just plain stupid. A lost war. As we are witnessing today.
     
  14. gorski

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    #3034 gorski, Aug 23, 2021
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    That's easy, X - there's tons of idiots everywhere, such as your good self!

    @Yen: your logic is deeply flawed! You wrote:

    "Although as well: "However, Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people..."

    Clearly means: The vaccines won't stop the pandemic, vaccination is no act of solidarity, it's solely own protection alone. By that the purpose of a vaccine passport is highly questionable."

    1) It IS an act of solidarity if you do not occupy Health System's resources!!! Period! If you do not die or get a severe case of a disease, the vaccine (at least partially) served its purpose already! If you were (rightly!) complaining about C-19 taking away resources from other clinical etc. needs and then you get help in this respect - YOU STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!! You ought to be GRATEFUL there is this help at hand and you ACKNOWLEDGE IT and you do not ignore it and you do NOT try to DIMINISH IT!!!

    2) It is IMPORTANT that one does get vaccinated at least for previous versions of C-19 and that one does not use/occupy the medical resources in whichever country one wishes to go on holidays! It is self-preservation of poor countries, especially given that a traveller must also keep testing him/herself!

    So, again, you are looking at things in a selective, highly biased manner, to justify a dogma, constantly moving the goalposts! It's soooo tedious and really poor whataboutery!!!
     
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    So in your scientific view all infected and or dead by COVID-19 did not wear masks at all?
    Are you insinuating all of them are idiots like me who btw haven't died from corona?
     
  16. gorski

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    Yeah, right, that shows your disciplined and well ordered mind, when this is considered a "rational argument", in your head...

    I would like to remind you that none of this is real, this is a non-issue, there is no pandemia, it's all just in your head...

    P.S. Bloody spell checker: it should have been "everywhere", not "everyone" in the previous post of mine!
     
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  17. Mr.X

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    I never said this wasn't real but some things,, wait no, many are distorted.
     
  18. gorski

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    Many of you were shamelessly stating that this can't be a pandemic, that it's all crazily exaggerated, that it is invented, even plandemic - albeit you had no data to back that up, no proof but hey... you had a "conviction"...
     
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    https://www.newschannel5.com/news/n...t-phil-valentine-dies-after-battling-covid-19

    On July 11, Valentine confirmed via his Facebook page that he had been diagnosed with COVID.

    Recently Valentine voiced skepticism about the COVID-19 vaccine.

    In December of 2020 he tweeted "I have a very low risk of A) Getting COVID and B) dying of it if I do. Why would I risk getting a heart attack or paralysis by getting the vaccine?"

    He even recorded a parody song - Vaxman - mocking the vaccine.

    In July, he told his audience he had COVID and he expected to be back soon.

    But later updates from family and friends indicated how serious it was.

    Valentine's brother said Phil regretted not being more pro-vaccine and wrote if he got back on the radio he would encourage people to get vaccinated.

    According to family, Valentine fought hard, but was unable to beat the virus.
     
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    I'm touched, amazed, wanna cry...
    What a responsible advice, unbelievable...
    Especially it comes from a solid scientific background and rigorous methodic study of an E X P E R I M E N T A L gene therapy which is killing and affecting thousands around the globe.

    Love it. I'm convinced. Tomorrow I run along my family to blindly get the jab.