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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Watch out: https://www.mississippifreepress.or...l-k-12-students-for-covid-cases-or-exposures/

    "Mississippi has now quarantined about 15% of all K-12 public school students this month, either for positive COVID-19 cases or known exposures.
    The 65,525 students who have been ordered to isolate includes 11,766 who have tested positive."

    We already had an obvious case of UK schools being the source of serious rise in infections. We have seen Florida report a third of kids being positive...

    And none of us knows the possible long term consequences and yet a lot of people would not think about it, throw caution to the wind and just "get on with it", thereby gambling with primarily other people's lives...

    Abominable!!!
     
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  2. Mr.X

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  3. vladnil

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    No one in the world has found the strain of the virus in two years!
    Whoever finds the strain of the virus is already being paid ten million dollars!
    If there is no virus and there never was one?
    Why are people terrorized by a bunch of idiots screaming virus?
    Those who were vaccinated die like flies and those who survived have 5-6 times lower immunity.
     
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    #3064 case-sensitive, Aug 26, 2021
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  5. gorski

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    #3065 gorski, Aug 26, 2021
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    WTF are you on, Vlad?!? Tell us, it's a MUST AVOID s**t!!!!
     
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  6. Yen

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    #3066 Yen, Aug 26, 2021
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    I post my opinion about booster shots and why I think they are not needed or even can be contra productive from a MOA perspective.
    The booster vaccines are still based on the original Wuhan S protein.

    I am relying on my post #3051 "So far it seems to be like this"
    The AB levels have waned, memory cells are in 'ready state'.

    When the booster arrives one is starting to make after a few hours after the 3rd shot again the original S-protein.
    The memory cells are waking up within 1-3 days. They proliferate BUT at affinity maturation they do NOT learn something new, BECAUSE they get again presented the SAME antigen.

    AB levels are ramping up. They cannot considered to be new (compare my post). They perfectly fit to original Wuhan but not to the variants!!!

    Your body state will be exactly the state you had after full vaccination. Nothing more nothing less.
    When delta arrives for instance, the ramped up AB levels you have got again do not match 100% to the variants. Since all the vaccines have lost effectiveness at infection you so to say have restored a diminished effectiveness.

    Second effect:
    You have now full level of ABs which perfectly fit to Wuhan. When delta arrives you have already lots of active b and t cells (against Wuhan type) floating around and the immune system is exhausted / suppressed to make new ones which would have undergone an affinity maturation to delta.

    Affinity maturation works best (and nature is clever) when the immune system is in memory state 'waiting' for the pathogen that probably has mutated a bit.

    If already woken up with the very same original Wuhan S protein it 'thinks' the pathogen has not mutated. Once there is full level of ABs one first has to wait until the original ABs get declined, affinity maturation to the new variant starts and 'new' ABs can be released...

    There is a plateau of AB level which cannot be exceeded.
    Once 'occupied' with Wuhan-AB's the new ones have to wait so to say.
     
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    So Yen, since it is said that the established vaccines give a certain range of protection regarding the variants, in this regard would then a booster shot not have a level of efficacy regarding these variants? So I'm not asking how negligible, I'm asking to what extent the booster shots may bolster the established efficacy in relation to the variants.
     
  8. Mr.X

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  9. vladnil

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    Swedish immunologist Ann-Kathrin Engvald, whose text was translated by mathematician Eugene Peskin, points out the falsity of the arguments for the propaganda of the ongoing vaccination campaign.
    "The solidarity argument in this case is wrong," she writes. - Getting over Covid-19 is a demonstration of greater solidarity with the rest of humanity than vaccination. Anyone who knows immunology understands this and understands how we defend ourselves against viral infections when antibodies play a subordinate role as a cleaning patrol, while T cells destroy all viral factories in the form of infected cells, which is the main problem of viral infection.
    Those who vaccinate against these types of rapidly spreading viruses do so mostly for selfish reasons, that is, for short-term protection that might prolong life or prevent infection-now, at best, in the spring or fall until new mutants of the virus begin to dominate the population. This is what natural immunity provides protection against, but not the vaccine, which targets only the most variable part of the virus, meaning it gives much narrower immunity.
    If you know anything about creating vaccines, you know, and that vaccines are very different, and depending on which virus you have to deal with, different conditions arise. This time the problem cannot be solved by isolation or vaccination, because the virus is already spreading all over the world and thousands of mutations have already been identified. Most people will encounter a variant of the virus sooner or later, unless they are vaccinated with various Covid-19 vaccines every year for the rest of their lives. The mass vaccination strategy in this case means that we, as a population, will be more susceptible to this type of virus in the future.
    Fortunately, collective immunity is already widespread in Sweden (thanks Tegnell and co.), so vaccination will have very little negative impact."
    She didn't seem to understand. That it's about solidarity with the pharmaceutical companies that people all over the world owe their wallets to.
     
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  10. gorski

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    What a twat!
     
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  11. Mr.X

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    Clap clap clap clap clap...
    What an stupendous argument full of reasoning. Heavily elaborated with a solid scientific background.
     
  12. gorski

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    #3072 gorski, Aug 27, 2021
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    never mind
     
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  13. Mr.X

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    #3073 Mr.X, Aug 27, 2021
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    A Letter to the Unvaccinated
    https://ocla.ca/a-letter-to-the-unvaccinated/

    A comment from a Mexican scientist, Karina Acevedo Whitehouse:
    https://t.me/akashacomunidad/468


    This is of great importance to me:
     
  14. gorski

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    Cloud coocoo land, she lives in...

    Florida kids.jpg
     
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  15. gorski

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-57779673

    ‘Long Covid has taken my whole life from me'


    Trainee anaesthetist Linn has been off sick for nearly a year with long Covid.

    She says the condition has taken her whole life from her.

    Linn has decided to join more than 500 people taking part in a study in Oxford, looking at how the body’s organs have been affected among people with long Covid.

    Watch BBC Panorama – Long Covid: Will I Ever Get Better? at 19:35 BST on Monday 12 July on BBC One, or catch up on BBC iPlayer.
     
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  16. Mr.X

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    HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!!!

    ARE UNVACCINATED PEOPLE REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT ENDING THE PANDEMIC?

    COMUSAV USA has the pleasure to invite all English speaker followers and members to a Free Presentation.
    Guest Speaker: Dr. Karina Acevedo Whitehouse, Ph.D.
    Subject: “Following the Science: A critical assessment of the current immunization strategy.”
    Saturday, August 28, 2021
    11:00am PST / 2:00pm EST
    CLICK HERE FOR ZOOM ACCESS
    (Meeting ID): 86436203311
    Passcode: 148463

    SPACE IS LIMITED‼️ (First come, first served).
     
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    Pfizer there is documentation that approximately 200,000 people died within a week or less of receiving one of the vaccinations."
     
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  18. gorski

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    200.000 - you nuts???
     
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  19. vladnil

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    Guess why the vaccinated will be released sooner?
    That's right - they won't have long to live!
    Euthanasia by choice
     
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