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  1. R29k

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    #3101 R29k, Aug 30, 2021
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    "Horse dewormer for humans"!
    It was always dosage!
     
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  2. gorski

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    #3102 gorski, Aug 31, 2021
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    Thanx, @Yen!

    Misunderstanding: I meant the article from DW/Der Spiegel, which I can't find in English/German, hence the quote in Serbo-Croat...

    Therefore, the large numbers do not lie...

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    vakcine rade.jpg

    Now, coupled with adequate MEASURES, the programme is working as intended... at least for now... :)
     
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  3. gorski

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-a-luxury-and-protect-the-vulnerable-says-who

    Covid booster jabs ‘not a luxury’ and protect the vulnerable, says WHO
    Health body previously stated that boosters in Europe are unnecessary and will increase vaccine inequality

    A booster jab of Covid-19 vaccine for vulnerable people is not a luxury but a good way to protect them, the World Health Organization has said, as surging infection rates and a pan-European vaccination slowdown produced a “deeply worrying” situation.

    “A third dose of vaccine is not a luxury booster taken away from someone who is still waiting for a first jab,” Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO’s regional director for Europe, said on Monday. “It’s basically a way to keep the most vulnerable safe.”
     
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  5. Palladin

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    Yen:
    Thanks for the info.
    Since I have no way of testing the pills, I'll just have to pass on ordering them, and stick to the 1% liquid solution I got a while ago.

    BTW, that episode that I had last month that I thought might be Covid-19 turned out not to be. I got an antibody test last week and it came up negative. So I'm guessing that I can say I never had Covid-19 and don't have it currently.

    I'm thinking that the Antibody test is much better than the PCR test where the Cycle Threshold isn't known so the results might be way off.

    Looks like this Antibody test is either a Go/No Go pretty conclusive test on whether you ever had Covid-19.

    Appreciate you thoughts on the Antibody test.

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  6. Palladin

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    Pretty good in depth discussion on whether the current Covid-19 jabs are pathogenic.
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243442


    The articles he refers to are here:
    https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajplung.00223.2021
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    https://portlandpress.com/bioscirep...RS-CoV-2-spike-protein-S1-induces-fibrin-ogen
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    Both of these articles have pdf's that can be downloaded, which is nice.

    No question the discussions are pretty technical but I think Yen can offer some informed comments, and I look forward to what he has to say about whether or not the Spike proteins in the Covid-19 jabs are pathogenic.
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  7. Mr.X

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    #3107 Mr.X, Aug 31, 2021
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    In addition to what I wrote last night, I share the link to the update of FDA information for doctors and nurses regarding the administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine:
    https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download
    August 23rd 2021 Updated

    This update contains the risk notice for Myocarditis and Pericarditis, particularly in the 7 days after receiving the second dose. They indicate that the risk is highest in men under 40 years of age and particularly high in men 12 to 17 years of age. They also indicate that some cases required medical attention in intensive care, although many were able to resolve the condition with conservative management (I clarify here that if there is death of heart muscle cells, these do not regenerate; the tissue becomes a fibrotic scar that will not be resolved. despite the treatment. In other words, that sequel and its consequences remain for the rest of the patient's life. I recommend that you see
    https://www.ciad.mx/notas/item/1959-es-posible-la-regeneracion-cardiaca
    At least the FDA does indicate that there are no long-term data on sequelae in patients with post-vaccination myocarditis and pericarditis.

    It is also important to mention that the CDC has also published considerations for vaccination against SARS-COV-2 regarding myocarditis and pericarditis in the population, including in people with a medical history of these problems
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html

    In other words, the authorities know that these conditions are occurring. How long will it take before the media recognizes and communicates it instead of continuing to fight for the vaccination of everyone, including young people and children?

    I wish you a nice day. Karina AW

    https://t.me/akashacomunidad/504
     
  8. PointZero

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    The introduction of that second study says:

    "This provides further evidence that targeting it directly, whether via vaccines or antibodies, is likely to be of therapeutic benefit."

    The virus is the pathogen; not the vaccine.
     
  9. Mr.X

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    We all know this, I guess.
    A pathogen is a microorganism which can cause a disease such as a virus, bacteria or fungi.
    A vaccine is a mix of chemicals that helps the body to develop antibodies to fight pathogens.

    So what are you suggesting?
     
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    Palladin talked about covid vaccines possibly being pathogenic in the post I quoted.
     
  11. Mr.X

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    Ah yes, I see. I think is a matter of semantics. Most likely he meant toxic rather than pathogenic.
    And yes, @Palladin is correct. Current COVID-19 vaccines made by Pharmafia are toxic in many ways. For starters, messing with mRNA to create Spike proteins within our cells, nuts.
     
  12. gorski

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    May I point out that the current rate of infections in England (London in particular) is 26 or 27 times higher than at the same time last year (thanx be to the MEASURES in place, since there were no vaccines available in large numbers) - but the almighty UK Gov is opening everything up, yet again, hurray!!!!

    This is what is reported - and estimates are actually probably double than the reported numbers, since a lot of these cases are not reported/noted/counted...

    So, back to schools, work, masks are no longer mandatory in schools, on public transport etc. - and watch this space...

    @Yen, fancy a bet as to how long before we're in trouble again, given the unvaccinated etc.?!?
     
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    #3113 R29k, Sep 1, 2021
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    I was looking for info on this just now. Came across this : Is the COVID-19 virus pathogenic because it depletes specific host microRNAs?

    Also this is interesting: COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact

    Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness and mortality in COVID-19 via autoimmunity
     
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    #3114 R29k, Sep 1, 2021
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    COVID-19 Vaccine-Generated Spike Protein is Safe, Contrary to Viral Claims

    I don't know how factual this fact check is now.

    This is hilarious:

    Jason McLellan, a structural biologist at the University of Texas at Austin who has been studying spike proteins in other coronaviruses for years and whose work was fundamental for the development of COVID-19 vaccines, said Bridle’s statements are not correct.
    “The spike protein is not pathogenic. It is not a toxin,” McLellan told us in an email. “I have not seen any data to support what Bridle claims.”
    Bridle, who in the radio show said he’s “very much pro-vaccine,” says his claims are “completely backed up by peer-reviewed scientific publications in well-known and well-respected scientific journals.”
    But authors of two of the studies he cites told us their findings don’t back Bridle’s statements.
    “Bridle is taking our results and completely misinterpreting them,” said David R. Walt, a member of the faculty at Harvard Medical School and of Harvard’s Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering, who co-authored a study that found circulating SARS-CoV-2 vaccine antigen in the plasma of vaccine recipients.
    The study, published in Clinical Infectious Diseases in May, collected plasma from 13 health care workers at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston who had received two doses of mRNA vaccine. Researchers detected levels of SARS-CoV-2 protein as early as one day after the first injection in 11 of the 13 participants.
    Bridle presents the study as evidence that the spike protein gets into blood
     
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  15. PointZero

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    This part doesn't sound good (from the first link):
    Hopefully long-term covid patients won't experience any of those other conditions. Time will tell.
     
  16. Yen

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    #3116 Yen, Sep 1, 2021
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    I guess almost nobody has the opportunity to test IVM when ordered. When I am on the way through S, S/E Asia I frequently go to a pharmacy there. I love their laws it's a paradise for those who have a clue on self-medication. And the meds are cheep there. My home remedy kid consists of 80% meds from Asia. I trust them talking to the seller and having a close look at the product before I buy.
    I never got fake. I even got oral contraceptives together with my gf there years ago. We purchased them all up to the expiration date.
    They were re-imports! The joke is: They have been made in Germany, but sold in Thailand for instance. But only for one-tenth of the price here. You clearly could notice that anything was pasted over with English / Thai. If removed there was the original German language again.

    It's far harder to notice if meds are real which have no immediate and recognizable effect, though.

    AB-test: It looks like an ordinary AB test. About its performance I cannot say anything because I'd need to read its specifications.
    It would be nice to know how the threshold value for detection is. AFAIK labs can detect >= 50 AU/ mL blood.
    And it would be interesting to know to which part of the virus the AB has to bind in order to get detected. IF it would be ABs against the S-protein you get positive after vaccination, too.
    If it would be an AB against nucleocapsid (N) protein you won't become positive at mRNA vaccine or vector, but natural infection and attenuated virus vaccines such as Sinopharm...

    It also seems it can differentiate IgM from IgG.
    Usually IgM is first, then IgG. (Class switching).
    Usually when a new pathogen arrives the first time you make IgM and then IgG. When you are cross-reactive or re-infected you make IgG at once.

    The vaccine encodes for a part of the pathogen, which is the S-protein. It acts as an antigen and a pathogen.....probably at long and post covid.

    That is the reason why a few vaxxed can have vaccine induced long haul COVID like symptoms!


    From an epidemiological POV I think the unvaxxed do not play a role because the viral peak at delta is exactly the same amount as in the vaxxed.
    I even think the fatality rate in total will not change that much...better said I am not sure.

    It seems current vaccines are good at severe and fatalities. They still have a efficacy from lets say 90% there.

    BUT It still means 10 out of 100 are not protected.
    Another point is delta is much more contagious and has a far higher R0 value. This means we have now a far greater level / velocity of endemic infections. (More people get infected in the same time).
    This means if the infection rate will be 10 times higher the effect in total numbers of severe / fatality will vanish.

    The fatality rate at COVID for unvaxxed has not changed much, though. (0.23%)
    Since this is a tiny percentage either way you might not see a huge difference in absolutes.

    I am very curious about that...how it turns out in the future.

    Vaccines protect an individual from severe and / or fatal progresses. Still 90%?
    That's the benefit they seem to have.
    How they influence the pandemic globally I am still very unsure.
     
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  17. gorski

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    #3117 gorski, Sep 1, 2021
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    Ermmm, nope....

    Large numbers around the globe suggest vaccinated people do not go to a hospital or die of C-19 infection! Or even bother to report it in many cases!

    And since many are still unvaccinated - this is where most reported cases will be, as well as hospitalised and dead people.... And at the current rate of infections, given that the MEASURES are NO LONGER IN PLACE - this is where I want to place my bet with you!!!

    So, given the hyper-t***s yelling and screaming at the top of their lungs "DO NOT GET VACCINATED!!!" and then dying of it - how long before we're in trouble because of it?!? C'mon, now, don't play coy... ;)

    Btw, what would this actually mean: "That is the reason why we have vaccine induced COVID long haul!!!"???
     
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  18. R29k

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    Better question is how long until the virus mutates enough to make the vaccine negligible and put everyone in the same boat without a paddle?!
     
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  19. gorski

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    Look at this, how many kids do have long Covid....

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58410584

    After the world's biggest study into the issue, the researchers, led by University College London, said they were "reassured".

    They surveyed 11- to 17-year-olds testing positive for coronavirus in England between September and March.

    The research suggests somewhere between 2% and 14% still had symptoms caused by Covid 15 weeks later.

    The team said it was important those with persistent symptoms, which included headaches, tiredness and breathing difficulties, received support.

    (...)


    "It is nowhere near what people thought in the worst-case scenario".

    Although, he said, the numbers were still "not trivial" and the issue needed to be taken seriously.
     
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    #3120 Yen, Sep 1, 2021
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    **EDITED** Time stamps were wrong....

    I am watching lots of videos where docs / professors are talking from their own experiences about COVID in general.
    I took the effort to find some bits again.

    The more general term to this is "Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry”. Or post-vaccination syndrome.

    The theory behind that is that those individuals do not get rid of the S1 subunit which is also produced by the vaccines.


    It has the parts of the set of symptoms of post- but also of long covid.

    Fast forward to 34:00


    And here to 42:25 and make your own conclusions.


    If you go to here: 38:32 you can hear what Professor Paul Marik says about the mechanisms of post and long covid.
    This is actually very interesting.
     
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