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  1. Mr.X

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    #3141 Mr.X, Sep 5, 2021
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    Great day for anti-cov-vaxxers



     
  2. gorski

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    Yeah, @Yen, and when I said that you were irrational at the time - you protested... :D

    Now, it seems similar story is developing at your end and again - I shall be told off... :p

    Neither is science dealing in absolutes, nor are scientists absolutely rational, so there... :cool:
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    Those people are warriors watching enjoying a sport of warriors.
    Being scared of a f virus? No way.
     
  5. Mr.X

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    This is a message I stumbled up on today reading in a Telegram Group called Akasha Comunidad.
    In such message a lawyer herself briefly exposes her issue provoked by a COVID-19 vaccine.
     
  6. Mr.X

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    I'm still waiting for someone to explain these concerns, about muzzles aka mouthmasks effectiveness to me.
    I'm asking because people tell me I must use it otherwise I'm an irresponsible and a long bla bla bla:
    1. All people dead by COVID-19 were NOT using masks?
    2. I've asked people, mostly on social media, who claim someone died from COVID-19 if they were mouthmask compliant, they answered yes. What's going on here?
     
  7. gorski

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    Sugar, X, if you are amongst the "superior" lot in Mexico - it's a veritable disaster...:rolleyes:
     
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  8. Mr.X

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    #Post_vaccine_demyelination # multiple_sclerosis #adverse_effects #security. 060921
    Dear Akasha Community members: I share the link to a publication that reports seven cases of demyelination (loss of myelin) in people aged 24 to 64 years and that occurred within 21 days after vaccination with Pfizer or Moderna. The patients exhibited neurological signs and symptoms and MRI findings that were consistent with active demyelination of the optic nerve, brain, and spinal cord, causing blindness, dysmetria (different limb lengths or differences in vision between eyes), unsteadiness when walking, paresthesia (tingling), uncontrolled sphincters and muscle weakness. They clarify that more studies are needed but it is interesting that although the authors acknowledge that exacerbated inflammation is conducive to demyelination, they indicate in their last statement that 'the benefit of vaccination against SARS-COV-2 exceeds the risk' when It is known from various studies that the Spike protein produced with mRNA and vectored vaccines induces (among other things) exacerbated inflammation. Will it be complex to see that relationship, will it be difficult to publish if that relationship is mentioned? Greetings and have a nice afternoon. Karina AW
    Link: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00415-021-10780-7

    https://t.me/akashacomunidad/517
     
  9. Yen

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    #3149 Yen, Sep 7, 2021
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    Before developing gains progress, better said regress to old stuff, I rather quote myself where I posted this:
    (I should make more efforts to stay at science where I got things right, even be able to make predictions).

    My post from last January:

    New Study: It is still a pre-print, though.

    "Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections."

    Results:
    Conclusions:
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text

    13 fold breakthrough risk compared to natural immunity!!!!

    "SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected."
    Bummer!

    OK here I was seemingly a bit wrong.
    "The probability to get severe COVID-19 is almost 0."
    Congrats to all who are vaccinated. Your pandemic is not over yet.
    Vaccines are not the holy grail. And the govts still are pushing them as they were.
     
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  10. Mr.X

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    And if you follow back you can find Pharmafia and international health 'authorities' behind this conspiracy. It's not just national/local govts.
     
  11. Yen

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    I still argue from a rational scientific POV, though.
    Vaccines are for the vulnerable people. But they may still have to go through a natural infection to get over the pandemic.
    Mass vaxx approach remains questionable.

    For me as not being vulnerable, I stick to my drugs I am convinced of...IVM, fluvoxamine / fluoxetine, budesonide...being prepared of getting it sooner or later.
    Doing still tests when needed.

    But that is just for me. ;):)
     
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  12. gorski

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    Nonsense! Again, big numbers do not lie!!!

    fox.jpg vakcine rade.jpg
     
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  13. Yen

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    Getting back to my new favourite term 'signalling'.

    I posted now four scientific papers (not **cough** Fox News)
    UK
    CDC (USA)
    Vietnam
    and now Israel.
    They have all in common a signalling for:
    Delta remains as contagious as regardless of vaccination status. Means pandemic will go on unhindered.
    Protection for severe covid / hospitalizing is still taking place, but natural infection seems to be robust and best protective. Ergo the endpoint will be natural immunity.

    IF the studies are right of course.

    Either way.
    What makes me upset most are the vaccine makers!

    They hyped the new tech saying they can change the vaccines within days to reflect new variants by redesigning the mRNA and vector to encode for new variants such as alpha (Kent variant) and now delta (Indian variant).

    But they did nothing except filling their pockets with dollars...
     
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  14. gorski

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    COUGH COUGH!!!!

    Fox News are NOT a scientific institution BUT even they HAD TO acknowledge that which you AS A SCIENTIST can not bring yourself to do, i.e. THE right thing!

    COUGH COUGH!!!

    Info comes from sources which are medical and scientific, COUGH COUGH!!!!

    But!!!

    Don't let that stop you, COUGH COUGH....
     
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  15. gorski

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    ...take that "SIGNAL"...:rolleyes:
     
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  16. gorski

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    #3156 gorski, Sep 7, 2021
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    Btw, by your own logic: if vaccines do protect people from being killed or even hospitalised, then after C-19 you get full protection - in that case, the VACCINATION and MEASURES DO WORK and you should SUPPORT THEM!!! UNEQUIVOCALLY!!! As a "scientist"... But you are clearly PREJUDICED and keep wriggling out of making the proper, logical conclusion... COUGH, COUGH!!!!
     
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  17. Mr.X

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    Keep smoking... Go, go ... Keep smoking.
    Your cigar full of mass media tar and COVID-19, are gonna do their own thing...;)
     
  18. Mr.X

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    Scientific establishment not independent true scientists without personal interests other than seeking the truth and genuine love for human race.
     
  19. gorski

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    Like you.. 'cept for native Americans... and so on...??? Thanx a bunch...
     
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  20. Yen

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    #3160 Yen, Sep 8, 2021
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    Ehm, no. Studies which do not support your idea of the vaccines are no prejudice.
    You get personal as if I would have made those studies. Better deal with contents of those 4.
    It doesn't matter what I think.
    But it does matter for sure if the papers do represent reality...

    A real scientist does rely on individual risk/benefit analyses and would never join a group of adherents / denier.

    I leave this group thing up to you.
    I do not support mass vaccination.
     
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