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  1. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

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    Scientific evidence. Show it.
     
  2. gorski

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    #3222 gorski, Sep 19, 2021
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    Read back! How many more times do you need to see it to acknowledge the bloody obvious?!?
     
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  3. gorski

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    #3223 gorski, Sep 19, 2021
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    Here, I'll make your case for you: allegedly, Sweden now has low numbers of new infections and deaths.

    1) They have a very high vaccination rate.

    As in the UK, I am sure that in Sweden people who are now infected do not bother reporting it to the authorities. Why not? 'Cause they are not ending in hospitals or morgues!

    In the UK officially we have 26-27 times the rate of infection we had a year ago! Unofficially, over 50 times! We had no vaccines back then but we had strong measures, preventing people from dying or getting seriously ill, esp. the more vulnerable ones!

    2) To get there, Sweden had to pay a horrific price, in comparison to similar countries in the region - in human lives!!! For the comfort of many, they sacrificed the vulnerable!

    Lancet explains: "As of April 16, 2021, more than 13 700 people have died from COVID-19 in Sweden. The country has one of the highest infection rates in western Europe according to Our World in Data COVID-19 statistics, with 606 new infections per million per day, while its neighbours Denmark, Finland, and Norway reported 115, 62, and 112 new infections per million per day, respectively (April 15, 2021). New and more infective and deadly variants have taken over, and by April 15, 2021, the UK SARS-Cov-2 variant was suspected to have caused 75–100% of all new cases in all regions. This indicates more rapid spread, more deaths, and that more young people will be affected, with intensive care units already at full capacity in some regions.4"

    So, money (vaccinations) + human lives (their "leaders' stupidity or incompetence) ==> high resistance to the virus!!!

    Btw, look at Florida and weep, tw@t!

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...c46DeQkngF5tOLRzUld1Us4LozwmT94P5ryexT9Xg34Bg

    Florida passes 51,000 COVID deaths as vaccination rate drops
    The Sunshine State reaches a grim pandemic milestone while COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to fall.
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    Wenderson Cerisene, 7, right, and his sister Dorah, 9, wait to get tested for COVID-19 on Aug. 31, 2021 in North Miami as Florida schools saw a rise in cases forcing of students and teachers to quarantine. Florida has now surpassed 51,000 COVID-related deaths. [ MARTA LAVANDIER | AP ]
    By Ian Hodgson and Christopher O'Donnell
    Published Yesterday
    Updated Yesterday
    Florida surpassed 51,000 COVID-related deaths this week.

    The state hit a new high with 2,468 fatalities added this week as the delta variant continues to drive the deadliest phase yet of the 18-month pandemic. Due to delays in processing death records, many of the newly reported deaths occurred days or weeks ago.

    If Florida were its own country, its 51,240 fatalities would rank 20th in the world, exceeding Chile’s 37,293 deaths. The Sunshine State now has 3.5 million infections — almost as many as Mexico, which has nearly six times the population.

    “I think it’s been a really tough year and a half,” said Gov. Ron DeSantis when a reporter asked him about Florida passing the 50,000 mark at a Thursday news conference in Fort Lauderdale.

    University of South Florida epidemiologist Jason Salemi said the number of COVID-19 deaths is striking given the availability of a vaccine that has proven highly effective at preventing hospitalizations and death.
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    Compile some of that evidence and post them anew. Just the links pointing to.
     
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    #3225 FanboyKilla, Sep 19, 2021
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    It's insane how many sheeple there are in the world these days. Scared enough of a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate that they will inject a fake vaccine created by a corrupt industry, into their body just because Dr. Falsey and fake news told them to. Even though the vaccine itself has caused THOUSANDS of deaths and other complications. Then to top it off, they still wear a mask and whine about non-vaccinated people needing to get vaccinated. I mean, if your precious vaccine works, then WTF do you care about someone else not being vaccinated? That's like telling a driver in another car that they need to wear their seat belt so that you'll be protected if you get into a wreck!

    It's funny though how the only time fake news talks about Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin is to gaslight sheeple about how "dangerous" they are and how they should NOT be used to treat covid symptoms. Even though Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin have been around for over 65+ years and 20+ years respectively. But those fake ass vaccines that haven't even been around a year yet are "totally safe" right? And of course fake news never talks about NATURAL IMMUNITY, it's just all about getting that fake ass jab! SMH

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  6. vladnil

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    The array of facts accumulated to date and the flow of various objective information about the serious danger of vaccination both for the population and for the individual, which continues to replenish it, contradicts the hypothesis of the imminent destruction of the unvaccinated, and by now has actually canceled this hypothesis.

    At the same time, one cannot ignore the fact that the hypothesis of inadmissibility (or radical "thinning" - the difference is not critical) after the sorting carried out during the sorting process is precisely the relatively reasonable part of humanity.

    One can, of course, assume that in the framework of the desire for a radical reduction in the number of modern humanity, representatives of the global ruling class are planning to destroy both categories of the population, simply in different ways, but this makes the sorting procedure itself meaningless and the colossal and varied costs and efforts that accompany it. it is impossible to completely exclude the possibility that the possible disposal of the vaccinated who did not pass the test for rationality and willpower of a part of the human population.
     
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  7. gorski

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  8. Yen

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    There is no general undercurrent in that way coming from my side.
    I ever clearly voted for individual risk/benefit decisions.
    And I pointed to the bias, glorifying vaccines and suppressing re-purposed drugs.

    There is NO single study made in advance that would show data that a 3rd jab of old stuff would be of benefit. Anyway they go for it collecting live data from a mass experiment, ignoring consequences for the vaxxed AND the unvaxxed (making the virus to escape further). They vaccinate kids without having long term data in advance.
    This is no evidence based science.

    IVM is for all people, vaccinated or not. Contary to above there is lots of data already, but still....suppressed.

    And it acts as a bridge for those who cannot have the vaccines for whatever reason. Saving tons of lives already.
     
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  9. gorski

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    Time! Protection gets weaker over time. Hence the booster for the vulnerable. I thought everybody understood it...

    The rest I agree with - for you! But not all in this thread say that... sadly and madly...
     
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  10. Yen

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    This is actually not the way evidence based science works.
    "Protection gets weaker over time. Hence the booster for the vulnerable."

    The first sentence is a fact, the second a hypothesis.
    You would have to present scientific data first that shows evidence that a booster based on old wuhan spike turns out to be efficient before you apply it to the masses.
    Dose (amount of vaccine) and frequency of administrations are two major factors that are determined in clinical trials. This is common sense.

    I cannot just let approve my meds with a certain dose and frequency and later say: " If it does not work anymore go on and take more, should work".

    I mean the vaccine studies have started this year. There would have been enough time to check if a 3rd jab has any significant improvement and use this data to justify a mass application.
    And they knew that the AB levels are waning.
    They simply skipped that....and a fourth jab is already considered in Israel. This is insane.

    Why doing all this clinical trials before when we can go administering it to the masses skipping it?
     
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  11. R29k

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    You don't need a damn booster you need a new vaccine if the variant changes significantly!! WTH @gorski FDA people have been resigning over the booster bs.
     
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  12. Yen

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    A booster is good for the vaccine makers.

    -they can save further expensive studies, the public health authorities are dumb enough not asking for evidence of additional benefit.
    -they can save time and costs modifying the vector and mRNA

    A new vaccine for the vulnerable is common sense. The virus has mutated enough.
     
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  14. Mr.X

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    #3234 Mr.X, Sep 19, 2021
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    CDC? Are you serious?
    CDC is a "health authority", not for me but for the vast majority of sheeple.
    CDC? = Utterly biased crap = lies

    Where are the unbiased peer reviewed, preprint or postprint studies with an appropriate methodology?
    Those found in PubMed, for instance.
     
  15. gorski

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    #3235 gorski, Sep 19, 2021
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    X, grow up!

    Yen, it's not exactly difficult to figure it out...

    Given you are making way larger jumps to conclusions...:rolleyes:

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  16. gorski

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    Actually, the same vaccines give a really good level of protection against C-19, according to tons of doctors and scientists! Much better than anyone could have hoped for, given the time constraints in which those were invented and manufactured, then approved!

    And no, nothing is perfect, so buckle up, we have to fly, whether we like it or not... And we do not have a choice on this one! There are no tons of options we have but only very, very few! Have a pick!

    Alternatives?!?
     
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  17. Mr.X

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    EARLY TREATMENT!
     
  18. Mr.X

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    Cases of VITT and cerebral thrombosis continue to grow

    (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8363077)

    In the scientific literature there are more and more clinical reports on adverse effects that may occur after vaccination against SARS-CoV-2. In past messages I shared with you a list of more than 70 scientific publications that made reference to post-vaccination myocarditis and a list of 423 scientific studies on post-vaccination adverse effects was recently published on the Channel of Biologists for the truth. Yet the scientific evidence for the lack of safety of these vaccines continues to accumulate. For example, in the study by Wiedmann and colleagues, published in Frontiers in Neurology on July 30 of this year, and of which I share the link at the beginning of the message, 5 cases of vaccine-induced thrombocytopenic thrombosis (VITT) are reported in Norwegian adults 39 to 56 years of age.

    These five cases (4 died) occurred within 2 weeks post-vaccination, and were characterized by cerebral venous thrombosis, intracerebral hemorrhage, and thrombocytopenia, with rapid progression, despite treatment. All received the Astrazeneca vaccine (called "ChAdOx1 nCov-19" or "Vaxzevria"). All were healthy adults (with no comorbidities to justify the symptoms). The brains of the 4 patients who died showed that none had endothelial inflammation but all had venous infarcts and brain thrombi containing platelets, leukocytes (white cells), and fibrin. The absence of inflammation suggests that the effect was mediated by the mechanism of action of adenovirus vectored vaccines (such as Astrazeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Cansino, and Sputnik).

    It is urgent that doctors know the mechanism by which the damage occurs, and that they recognize the symptoms in a timely manner, since the condition can be difficult to treat, and mortality is high (the study reports 80% mortality). Although it does not exceed the expected frequency of thrombosis in Norway (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17367492/), the lesions are found in very unusual sites (cerebral and splanchnic veins) and present with low in platelets (thrombocytopenia), and demonstrate a very close temporal association with the vaccine. Thrombocytopenia can occur in cases of exposure to heparin, but none of the patients had had exposure. Furthermore, "normal" thrombosis does not have a high mortality. In this sense, it is essential that those who received the vaccine, as well as the doctors who treat them, are aware of the early symptoms of this condition: headache, general malaise that increases, and there may be petechiae (tiny red dots, like pin, in various parts of the skin) and bruises on the skin with no obvious explanation, such as a bump. Symptoms after administration of vectored vaccines should prompt the physician to request tests for platelet counts, antibodies to platelet factor 4 (PF4), D-dimers in the blood, and imaging of the brain and its blood vessels. I understand that the studies are expensive, but a platelet count and D-dimer test are not, and could give information to justify the other tests.

    The failure of a doctor to identify the clinical picture and dismiss the headaches as "normal" could make a difference in the outcome of his patient. If it turns out that the headache was temporary, good! But if not, they may have saved your patient's life.

    How many cases of post-vaccination thromboembolism are required before we accept that the safety of vaccines is not as for conventional vaccines? How many cases of myocarditis or sudden acute infarcts? Is it that the ego weighs more than accepting that we are wrong, even if all the evidence shows it?

    I hope you find this information useful and that you can share the article with your doctors.

    I send you greetings, Karina AW

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  19. Mr.X

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    Myocarditis can also occur in adults after vaccination

    I share the link to a study that reports a clinical case of myocarditis in a 52-year-old adult, three days after receiving his second dose of Moderna's mRNA vaccine. The case report does not demonstrate a causal association between the vaccine and myocarditis syndrome, but the study was quite comprehensive and was able to exclude ischemic damage and other causes of acute myocardial damage. For this reason, the study authors conclude that treating physicians should be aware that myocarditis can occur in patients between 2 and 4 days after vaccination. They also mention the need for monitoring of adverse effects to vaccination to determine if there are groups with higher risk.

    The article, written by Muthukumar and collaborators and published in August this year, can be found at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8340727/

    I hope you find it useful and I send you greetings, Karina AW

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  20. Mr.X

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    Predictions predictions more predictions...
    Yet no data to support them.