Coronavirus | Discussion

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  1. gorski

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    Yen, underreporting is a fact - whatever the subject. Sure, we need to strive for the best possible but... we are dealing with a "Human factor", so no guarantees are possible...

    As for the other thing: one DOES discuss it with a doctor BEFORE one is vaccinated. C'mon, guys, there is no forcing anyone to vaccinate himself/herself. And it must be informed, of course.

    IVM - interesting that so far it is just trials (phase 2 or 3) but the claims are megalomaniacal with some... In other words "promise with in vitro trials" is one thing. In vivo - nothing CONCRETE so far but it doesn't stop many to shout from the rooftops... And what? What kind of "protection" have we seen in Peru or Bolivia or anywhere else, using IVM - has it improved situation beyond statistical errors or... what exactly? If it is a wonder drug for C-19 - where are the numbers to prove it?

    I really don't get it: we have lots of people dead from C-19, something to protect us from that, hospitalisations, overwhelming the health services but we simply can not acknowledge it - oh, no, let's go nuts, against the now tried and tested vaccines...

    And I am NOT advocating needless risks, of course, as I described here! I have spoken to the doctor beforehand, we weighed the evidence/experience and only then we decided what to do. No one is forced to do this... But the force of evidence simply plays no role whatsoever in confused, misinformed or conspiraloon minds...
     
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  2. Mr.X

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    I've been thinking about it months back but I don't know.
    Another idea is to bribe someone in the vaccination table, could be the nurse with the syringe, to pass a $ bill under the table or arrange with another one days previous to vaccination time. This way the cert would be legit.
     
  3. Mr.X

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    Went to generics pharmacy five blocks away and go this for 72.00 Mex pesos.
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  4. Yen

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    I read studies and I listened to frontline docs reporting from their own successes. If not being censored you still find them somewhere.
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/
    There is a summary of studies on the use of ivermectin in COVID-19. You can get them all and read them yourself.

    This one is peer-reviewed and a popular one:
    https://journals.lww.com/americanth...he_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

    For me it is no question IVM works good as a bridge to the vaccines. And not to forget people still get sick despite of vaccination and they need a (affordable) treatment, too.

    It's a shame that we even have to think about that.
    At delta one is still spreading like being unvaxxed. The own risk is another thing. The govts are earning money with taxes got from nicotine / tobacco and alcohol...they are known being not that healthy....and in the US they sell cannabis.

    And being unvaxxed does not mean to do nothing staying healthy...yeah even to take repurposed drugs...

    I got IVM 12 mg 50 tablets for 50 bucks from India.
     
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  5. vladnil

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    https://de.rt.com/inland/124390-lym...hologen-untersuchen-todesfaelle-nach-impfung/
    "Lymphocytes are out of control" - Pathologists investigate deaths after COVID-19 vaccination

    Vaccines are killing people!

    Let me remind the esteemed that the virus strain has not been found anywhere in the world.
    You will not find the isolated strain CORONA19
     
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  6. Yen

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    This is the same report I referred to....
     
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  7. vladnil

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    https://www.samueleckert.net/die-neuen-3d-abbildungen-des-behaupteten-sars-cov-2-beweisen-kein-virus❗️/
    SARS-CoV-2 or 2019-nCoV or COVID-19 virus has not yet been isolated and there is no official confirmation of its existence.
    New 3D images of suspected SARS-CoV-2 do not prove the presence of the virus.
    March 16, 2021.
    ps:They got everyone hooked on the vaccine, and now Pharma gets the money.

    Health Glade is officially offering $1 million to anyone who can prove that COVID-19 exists.
    It is now $10 million.
     
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  8. Yen

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    #3268 Yen, Sep 23, 2021
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    This is BS!!! The virus exists.

    You can order the virus when you have permission.
    https://www.fishersci.com/shop/products/helix-elite-inactivated-sars-cov-2-whole-virus-kit/p-9217005
    "The Inactivated SARS-CoV-2 Whole Virus is made with whole inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus (Isolate SARS-CoV-2/USA/WA1/2020) and inactivated A549 lung epithelial cells."
    https://www.zeptometrix.com/products/sars-cov-2-isolate-usa-wa1-2020-lysate-05-mg
    https://www.creative-diagnostics.com/sars-cov-2-lysate-279357-335.htm
    This is the USA strain.

    That BS talk that COVID does not exist is only because nobody has isolated the wuhan HU-1 strain.

    You can also order Plasmids which encode for several parts of the virus and variants
    https://www.invivogen.com/search?sq=spike&st=

    Or the delta variant spike
    ....and many more.
    https://www.rndsystems.com/products/recombinant-sars-cov-2-b16172-spike-gcn4-iz-protein-cf_10878-cv

    Those denying the existence of the virus are plain stupid, sorry.


    BTW: You can make your own vaccine.

    Purchase the delta spike (or even better the RBD of delta alone) and mix it with Aluminium adjuvant..
    Prof. Stöcker has published how to make own vaccines.

    Then you have the most recent one.:D
     
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  9. Tiger-1

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  10. gorski

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    And since we know it does exists - we can safely say we know it also kills people...

    How do you prevent many from dying...?!? Hmmm... your answers on the back of the postcard, please.... :D

    So, @Yen, do you stay on a steady diet of IVM or you take it periodically or - what's the regimen to stay ahead of the virus, using that method - what does literature say, what do studies state, please?
     
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  11. Yen

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    #3271 Yen, Sep 23, 2021
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    If you see table 1 of that paper I have posted:
    https://journals.lww.com/americanth...he_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

    Hector Carvallo has an impressing OCT. N=1195 healthcare-workers.
    Control: 58% Infections. IVM: Zero.
    control / IVM: 407 people / 788 people
    12 mg weekly for up to 10 weeks. This is close to the FLCCC's prophylaxis protocol. (0.2mg/kg weekly).

    You have to read the studies and come to your own conclusion I am not here to 'convince' people.

    The question prophylaxis or standby comes every year in my mind when I travel. But for malaria.
    I always prefer standby over prophylaxis. This means I take Malarone with me and would take it as soon as I have any symptoms that matches those of Malaria, but then as TREATMENT.

    So I have IVM as standby....
    Since EARLY treatment is key at COVID as soon as I have symptoms I start IVM treatment as well. I do not use it as prophylaxis.
    I probably would temporarily when being exposed to hot spots like airport or where the masses are. So temporary prophylaxis dependent on situations....

    I already started with IVM treatment once when I had bad cold like symptoms..but I stopped being negative after 2 days (2x12 mg) My body weight is 70 kg....

    Hope this makes sense...:)


    Prophylaxis: One dose weekly (0.2mg/kg body weight)
    Treatment (0.2-0.4mg/kg body weight daily).
     
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  12. Mr.X

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  14. gorski

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    Thankfully, you go against your words...:p regularly...:) so we learn... :D

    Thanx!:cool:
     
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  15. Mr.X

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    #3275 Mr.X, Sep 24, 2021
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    @Yen I wonder why they only sell 6mg tabs here in Mexico

    So for someone looking for treatment (not prophylaxis), being overweight, 90 kg. > 0.2mg x 90kg = 18 mg per day is correct?
    Three 6 mg tabs spread over the day? Morning, afternoon, night?
    Empty stomach or not?
    How long the treatment should last?
    Let's assume it's positive for covid
     
  16. Yen

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    #3276 Yen, Sep 24, 2021
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    The most available dose is even 3 mg / tablet only. (IVM is frequently used at kids, they have low body weight.)
    Taking lots of tablets (it would be even 6x3mg tablets at once) also gave the impression that taking IVM is sort of overkill....but it's the overall dose that counts
    So nothing wrong here.

    18 mg is correct for 90 kg.
    Should be taken at once.
    Empty stomach if you have GIT related issues, else full stomach. This is recommended by FLCCC, but I know another doc strictly saying always empty stomach.

    The treatment should last until symptoms have been resolved. (I would add another 2 days of safety)...for delta one can double the dose to 0.4 mg / kg at treatment. (They updated the protocol for delta).

    There are studies proving that IVM is safe up to 1mg /kg body weight.

    Edit:
    For those who might encounter side effects (rare cases) some docs advise to split the daily dose into 3....and check if they disappear.

    I had nothing...took 12 mg at once, on full stomach. 2days and stopped being COVID negative. :)
     
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  18. Mr.X

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    N-acetylcysteine (NAC), a precursor of the antioxidant glutathione allegedly the most powerful antioxidant of our body.
    Yes I knew about this.
     
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  20. gorski

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    https://fortune.com/2021/09/21/covid-cases-children-schools-1-million-cases-coronavirus-update/

    This makes senmse to me, more than most:

    "Nearly 1 million U.S. children have contracted COVID in the past 4 weeks
    BY
    BRETT HAENSEL
    September 21, 2021 9:15 PM GMT+1

    COVID cases among children are rising “exponentially,” according to a report released by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Children’s Hospital Association on Monday, as the more contagious Delta variant continues to wreak havoc with students returning to school."

    blob:https://fortune.com/3c0d9d48-a4a9-4905-8c31-ad7a41268a3b
     
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