X, to a fool somebody rational looks like a fool. Sweden was totally wrong in C-19 respect! As is UK gov now - silent, doing nothing!
Opposing visions I have shared a lot about the importance of critical thinking, information seeking, and the importance of learning. I came across this image that brings together headlines from various newspapers and magazines, which ask people just the opposite. Do you remember how you saw the world when you were children? How did they question everything? That inquisitive spirit characterizes the human, and is the seed for anyone who decides to dedicate himself to science. Without questioning, without critical thinking, part of the essence of the human is turned off, and the scientist ceases to be. Well, it turns out that Forbes and others propose the opposite: they ask that "we stop investigating on our own", that we "no longer believe the facts" and that "we do not question authority." How much poverty of arguments there is if the opinion and rational empowerment of others scares them so much! The good news is that if you don't agree, just say 'no' and act accordingly. I send you greetings, Karina AW https://t.me/akashacomunidad/656 I wonder where where where and who who who thinks like Forbes, New York Times, Opinion, etc, I can't recall. Wait, I remember now. It's here in MDL! Now guess who
I don't doubt "you'd kill"... It tells quite a story... Since you ignore facts no wonder you have such "ideas" about C-19 or society at large...
http://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/331866 Who requires a covid passport? We show the WHO printout which clearly states that the WHO does not recommend issuing passports because they have been scientifically proven to only increase the spread of disease.
Passports? You lot who do not respect others and therefore do not respect the MEASURES - YOU spread the disease! Period!
It has long been known that only vaccinated, mutated viruses spread the disease. Vaccinated viruses are dangerous to vaccinated people. They are not dangerous to the average person. The unvaccinated have immunity, the vaccinated don't, and it drops from 2.7% to 8% every week. By Christmas, the mortality rate of the vaccinated will be very high. Are you worried about getting on that list? Gorski you are ignorance incarnate. Vaccination (it turns out!) contributes to the emergence of new strains of coronavirus, according to an article published July 12 in the scientific medical journal Vaccines. The article is signed by thirty authors who are the developers of the Sputnik V vaccine, including Alexander Gintsburg, director of the Gamaleya Center. https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/779/htm The latest report from the U.K. Health Safety Agency shows that the decision by England's Chief Medical Officer (CMO) to recommend that all children over the age of 12 be vaccinated against Covid-19 was a huge mistake, as data show that children are 16 times more likely to die from Covid-19 if they have been vaccinated. "At first glance, these numbers may not seem alarming until you look at Covid-19 mortality rates and Covid-19 hospitalization rates based on vaccination status. According to the UKHSA report, 0.001% of Covid-19 cases among unvaccinated persons under 18 years of age resulted in death between September 20 and October 17, 2021 (4 deaths / 351,148 cases x 100) Whereas, 0.009% of Covid-19 cases among those under 18 years of age who received a single dose less than 21 days prior to a positive test result resulted in death during the same time period. (1 death / 10,698 cases x 100) Thus, the data show that children are 800% / 9 times more likely to die if they are infected with Covid-19 if they receive a single dose of the Covid-19 vaccine less than 21 days before infection. Children younger than 18 years of age who received a single dose of Covid-19 vaccine more than 21 days before they tested positive (11,001 cases) are 400% / 5 times more likely to die if they are infected with Covid-19 after vaccination because the lethality rate is 0.05%. Unfortunately, however, things are much worse for children who have been vaccinated in terms of Covid-19 mortality rates. According to the UKHSA report, 0.7% of hospitalizations against COVID-19 among unvaccinated persons under 18 years of age resulted in death between September 20 and October 17, 2021 (4 deaths / 560 hospitalizations x 100) Whereas, 11% of Covid-19 hospitalizations among those under 18 years of age who received a single dose less than 21 days before a positive test result resulted in death during the same time period. (1 death / 9 hospitalizations x 100) Thus, the data show that children are 1471% / 15.7 times more likely to die from Covid-19 after hospitalization if they receive a single dose of the Covid-19 vaccine less than 21 days before infection. Children younger than 18 years of age who received a single dose of Covid-19 vaccine more than 21 days before a positive test result (10 hospitalizations) are 642% / 7.4 times more likely to die if hospitalized with Covid-19 after vaccination, as the mortality rate for hospitalizations is 5.2%. Child mortality in the UK is 52% higher than the 5-year average after the vaccine was introduced, after previously being 14% lower, according to the ONS (UK National Statistics Service). Correlation does not always equal causation, but the data strongly suggest that the Covid-19 vaccine is killing children: a 52% increase in child mortality compared to the five-year average after the government was advised to extend the vaccine to all healthy children over the age of 12.
NIH Admits Funding Gain-Of-Function COVID Experiments; Gives EcoHealth Five Days To Report Data https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...-experiments-gives-ecohealth-five-days-report
Who do you think you're kiddin', Mr. Vladnil?!? Most of the hospitalised in all countries are the unvaccinated!!! And vaccinated generally do not get very ill and do not die, unlike the unvaccinated... And sure, there is plenty of it going on, predominantly spread by the unvaccinated morons... The UK gov is doing nothing and the numbers are soaring!!! Couple it with years of privatisation, underinvestment, Brexit and Vladnil & the Gang spreading BS ==> https://skwawkbox.org/2021/10/22/ro...ritical-incident-as-ambulances-back-up-at-ae/ Nazdrovje!!!
LOL. You still don't get that the vaccines won't stop the pandemic! Who has implanted that thought that vaccines ever could? To mass vaccinate into an ongoing pandemic is a big mistake! I have posted 4 studies: UK CDC (USA) Vietnam and Israel All them show evidence that viral levels at delta are the same. Being unvaxxed or vaccinated. Ergo the pandemic will go on unhindered. Either all 4 studies are wrong or you are still brainwashed. And you call us unvaxxed morons. The only seemingly difference of you and me is. When I get COVID I shed delta exactly the way you would if being infected. You have a lower probability getting severe, but related to your overall health and risk factors. If being obese for instance you have risk factor number one next to low vitamin d levels, which should be no big deal. I have my 3 drugs of which I am convinced of due to my profession and experiences. So tell me what is the difference between us? Actually nothing! If I am a moron you are one for sure. Edit: It sometimes seems to me that you close your eyes when being confronted with a truth. We all, you and me sooner or later will get infected by SARS-CoV-2, it's only a question of time.
I hate this but you deserve it right now, @Yen - LOL, indeed!!! Vaccinations are about saving lives!!! Let that sink in!!! The "truth"!!! NHS, too!!! Think!!! (No, not with other people's heads, think for yourself!!!) In Israel, to the best of my knowledge/info, they had a serious slowdown of hospitalisations, complications and C-19 related deaths after booster jabs were given. Why? Apparently, after 6+ months the effectiveness of vaccines falls to about 53%. And if NO MEASURES are in place - think about it!!! I know you irrationally hate the measures - but this has blinkered you on this and other occasions... That is what is going on in many parts of the world! I am covering in particular ex-YU, UK and some parts of EU but also constantly comparing them with the US, Brazil and some other places. It is pretty darn OBVIOUS what is going on and what needs doing! But Humans aren't exactly rational, as we all know... I mean, take a look at this thread alone!!! Even well informed people - with some "ideological" blinkers - can get it all wrong!!!! No amount of info can get one to the simple "truth" of it all!!! Simply put, some here would rather play politics and religion and put some very questionable "ideas" and "principles" to work in their own version of "public health policy", rather than do the necessary thing and actually think it through carefully, slowly and try to save lives... Very, very sad!!!
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59009293 A new mutated form of coronavirus that some are calling "Delta Plus" may spread more easily than regular Delta, UK experts now say. The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has moved it up into the "variant under investigation" category, to reflect this possible risk. There is no evidence yet that it causes worse illness. And scientists are confident that existing vaccines should still work well to protect people. Although regular Delta still accounts for most Covid infections in the UK, cases of "Delta Plus" or AY.4.2 have been increasing. Latest official data suggests 6% of Covid cases are of this type. Experts say it is unlikely to take off in a big way or escape current vaccines. But officials say there is some early evidence that it may have an increased growth rate in the UK compared to Delta. Dr Jenny Harries, Chief Executive of the UKHSA, said: "The public health advice is the same for all current variants. Get vaccinated and, for those eligible, come forward for your third or booster dose as appropriate as soon as you are called. "Continue to exercise caution. Wear a mask in crowded spaces and, when meeting people indoors, open windows and doors to ventilate the room. If you have symptoms take a PCR test and isolate at home until you receive a negative result." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55659820 Will vaccines still work against variants? Current vaccines were designed for earlier versions of coronavirus, which means they may not be the ideal match for new variants and so might not work quite as well. But experts say they are still very effective at protecting lives by cutting the risk of severe illness: An analysis by Public Health England found two doses of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine was more than 90% effective against hospitalisations for Covid-19 caused by Delta However, a single dose was less effective at preventing illness from Delta, compared to how well it worked against Alpha Doctors say it is vital that people get the recommended number of doses to gain maximum protection against existing and emerging variants. Across the UK, additional booster jabs are being offered to: Over-50s Frontline health and social care workers Older adults in residential care homes People aged 16-49 years old with underlying health conditions which put them at greater risk of severe Covid Adults who share a household with vulnerable people Latest data from the NHS shows 3.7 million people in England have had a booster jab. Although Covid infections have been rising again across the UK, the number of hospitalisations and deaths has remained well below the levels seen in earlier waves, which experts attribute to the success of the vaccine programme.
And here is the evidence: this rather inapt UK government is causing harm by not acting promptly and decisively but staying silent instead and putting no measures into place, yet again!!! No "stay at home, work from home, wear masks as mandatory, keep your physical distance, wash hands" and so on and on... https://www.theguardian.com/society...-perfect-storm-as-covid-piles-pressure-on-nhs This has been the case with them at every turn - every major issue with the pandemic they missed by their inaptitude and conservative "there is no definitive proof YET that blah-blah-blah" and "we are only following the scientific advice" and then hiding behind people in their scientific advisory panel, no matter how bonkers they turn out to be with this slow and rather idiotic uptake of commonly seen to be effective measures, induced by their neo-liberal dogma of "cutting costs" - which failed them at every turn and every time they have to abandon it they fail us all miserably and yet they keep doing the same mistake over and over and over again, blinded by the blinkers of the neo-liberal dogma of "austerity", leading to "market laws" of "scarcity"... And they just CAN NOT LEARN!!!! So much easier to have a dogma and shield yourself from the blindingly obvious!!!
Here, even The Guardian is forced to acknowledge it: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/england-covid-ethics-personal-responsibility
Your arguments are not wrong and actually no counterarguments to my post. (OK the last 'assumption' is pointless.) I always pleaded for: -An individual risk / benefit consideration -To vaccinate the vulnerable people. (and yes this IS saving lives). You can read that back. I also have posted that the waning rate of Pfizer (AB levels) is 40% per month. And I talked about booster. Maybe the last bit about higher efficacy severe /death is now clearer OK. If you say.... But look, My last post is about 2 completely different things: (read your post again and tell me where it is related to what I had posted). - Vaccines won't stop the pandemic. https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-157#post-1686898 - Mass vaccination into a pandemic is a bad idea. (Also reasoned this statement and compared to the flu where we always vaccinate ahead of the upcoming season). I neither said vaccines are useless nor I said they do not safe lives. I argued against your saying "unvaxxinated morons" and the way you are spotting 'guilty ones'. A moron in this regard is somebody who miscalculated his risk benefit evaluation but NOT the unvaxxed in general. You seem to forget that at 80% of all COVID is asymptomatic / mild / moderate. When somebody does a proper individual benefit risk analysis and the result is no vaccine THEN it would safe NO life. A proper risk benefit evaluation tends to a good / harmless progress when getting infected with SARS-COV-2 REGARDLESS of being vaxxed or unvaxxed. It is the purpose of a proper risk / benefit analyses. To minimize risk to maximize benefit. So there is a part left. Vaccination is voluntarily in most nations. By that each individual can take own risk and say no. And no is also a valid result of a proper risk / benefit analyses than yes. (This does not mean the analyses has left some uncertainness in both ways.) The job of the public health ends here. And it is not unusual, they allow smoking, they allow you to get obese, drink alcohol. In other words they allow you to get risks for your health. If public health should regulate more there is another topic.They even get taxes and earn from people risking their health. Do you know how many people die from alcohol each year alone?
Have you ever thought why? The basic of epidemiology has a perfect explanation. Some people say the virus does mutate more in vaxxed than in unvaxxed. This is not right. It actually does mutate there most where it replicates most since each replication is a chance for mutation. BUT: Variants are benefited in vaxxed! The people who are vaccinated against the original spike cause a beneficial spread of them! Why? A naive immune system (of the uninfected and unvaxxed) fights the pathogen as a completely unknown pathogen. Slower than the vaxxed, yes. A vaxxed person fights the original variant BETTER than the VOCs. The farther away it has mutated from the original variant, the more different it is, the lesser it gets fought. Mutations are nothing but probabilities of creating new sequences. There is no intelligence behind that. The law here is the law of probability of survival. And in the vaxxed there is this rule: The closer the new VOC is to that variant you got vaccinated against, the lesser the chance of survival. Ergo: The more it has mutated away the greater the chance of spreading. This is called escape pressure. And this can happen when you mass vaccinate into an ongoing pandemic where the virus can mutate.
You miscalculated with 1) NHS/public health services NOT becoming overwhelmed when vaccinations are given (thereby freeing the PH services to resume services to everybody else) and 2) deaths and heavy cases/serious suffering seriously reduced! That kills your argument! There is a serious difference! P.S. Not to mention the economy... P.P.S. You also miscalculated with human irrationality and/or (spiritual) laziness - the MEASURES are still a MUST!