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  1. R29k

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    #3504 Yen, Nov 18, 2021
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    Hello?!? Do you want to risk another thalidomide scandal? Nobody knows what these genetic vaccines are doing to unborn life!

    This is real crime:
    "America's Top Critical Care Doctor Sues to Save His Patients and the Hippocratic Oath (Paul Marik, Part I)."
    https://rescue.substack.com/p/americas-top-critical-care-doctor

    "Dr. Pierre Kory: "Barring Dr. Marik from using the medicines he believes will help his patients is unconscionable, contrary to reason and science." (Marik, Part II)"
    https://rescue.substack.com/p/dr-pierre-kory-barring-dr-marik-from



    And wow a new huge study to the waning Effectiveness of the vaccines. They do much faster even for severe progresses:
    "Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study"

    Please note: This study is NOT about:

    Waning antibody levels. AB levels is a lab value which indicates the condition of humoral immune response. (The TH2 arm of the adaptive immune system).

    And it is NOT about waning efficacy. Efficacy is a statistical value obtained from a clinical study only and artificially defined cohorts just as placebo and treatment groups.

    IT IS about waning effectiveness and going down to zero.

    Effectiveness = real protection found in a real cohort (Sweden) in real life!!! As a very real result of 'altogether'
    First huge study I've read...

    Still a preprint for Lancet, but this makes VERY clear that a mass vaccination NEVER would lead to a 'herd immunity'. They wane faster as they would get and hold it...and even more clear they do not get any immune memory cells since their effectiveness is going down to zero.

    Pfizer from day 211 and onwards, AstraZeneca even already at day 121 and onwards....down to zero...:eek:

    And for severe 181 days and onwards:"showing notable waning among men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities."

    I guess this is the reason why Europe is still hit hard and here the hospitals get full...the vaccination rate is good, but they do not work anymore as 'promised'....


    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410
     
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    Indeed, Moon! Otherwise, the figures are going nuts, from infections to deaths - but voluntarism rules!
     
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    If that is correct, it's not difficult to understand why: yesterday my wife and I went shopping for some necessities and our estimate was - to our amazement!! - that probably 3/4 of people did not wear masks or respect distancing, hand sanitisers and so on.

    Now, in a few days I must go get my booster (having had flue jab recently) - but if people do not get it (and too many don't, in their complacency!!!), sure, we know they will get infected, because most vaccines do not prevent one getting infected.

    However, vaccinated people who get infected will be less infective to their surroundings, they will infect fewer people, not get seriously ill and even if they do get hospitalised - they will not die, unlike the unvaccinated!

    That much is ABC!!!
     
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    #3513 Yen, Nov 20, 2021
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    I have read somewhere that people who are resistant to flue are also resistant to covid. So my guess is that if you get flue jab you are fully protected from covid. No need to get covid jab. I believe that if you get jabbed every six months for the rest of your life against covid, the risk of something going badly wrong in your body will be substantial. On the other hand, the risk of dying from covid is not so great. Simply great majority of infected, unvaccinated people recover from the infection. Also majority of the infected stay isolated at home. No burden to health system. My firm belief is that those who recovered from covid are fully protected for a long time. The vaccinated people allowed their immunse system to be compromised by getting the covid jab.
     
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    This makes from a medical POV no sense.
    When you get a flu jab and they predicted a wrong influenza strain to become dominant, the jab is already useless for protecting you from flu.

    It's rather probable those staying asymptomatic are cross trained from former human corona viruses.
    This would explain the low rate in South Africa where more than 60% are seropositive and they had not much issues anyway.

    I totally agree.
     
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    No one is banking on boosters every 6 months for eternity...

    We are buying time with this, 'till we get something better from Science...

    This: "The vaccinated people allowed their immunse system to be compromised by getting the covid jab." - WTH?!?
     
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    Hi. WTH, a forum where we can discuss this freely, am I dreaming ?! I came here (was a lurker for sometime) to get win7 utilities if you know what I mean, but this is a very nice surprise to me. THank you!!!!!
     
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    #3520 Mr.X, Nov 24, 2021
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    Evidence about effectiveness and safety

    An essential aspect of any vaccine is its safety - that is, it does not harm; The other aspect is its effectiveness: it must protect us from infecting ourselves, from the possibility of infecting others if we do so and, above all, from getting sick.

    I share with you this study, conducted on November 16, 2021 by Rolf Steyer and Gregor Kappler. The first author is Professor Emeritus of the Friedrich Schiller University, Jena (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rolf-Steyer), and the second was Professor at the University of Vienna and the University of Jena. Both have training in Medical Statistics, Causal Probabilistics, Biomathematics and Clinical Psychology. They can be contacted by mail at [email protected], [email protected]

    Their study investigated the correlation between excess mortality and vaccination rates during weeks 36 to 40 of 2021 in Germany, taking into account the number of inhabitants in each state. A correlation coefficient of 0.31 was found. This is high and goes in the opposite direction to what would be expected if vaccines actually reduced mortality from COVID-19 and if they were not associated with serious health problems that could cause the death of the vaccinated (If the coefficient were negative it would imply that the higher the vaccination, the lower the excess mortality). In other words, they found evidence that the more you vaccinate, the more there is excess mortality.

    It is true that a correlation does not imply causality but it does offer important information on trends and patterns that can be alarming. Regardless of what is causing the excess deaths, there is a clear statistical correlation, which should be investigated in depth, and as long as there is no clear answer on the causes of this excess mortality, the correct and responsible thing would be to stop mass vaccination.

    I clarify that the study has not yet been published in a journal after a peer review process, but the data they investigated is official (from the Government of Germany) and the analyzes are correctly carried out.

    To conclude, the results they obtained have a marked relevance for current vaccination policies, which in some places is beginning to be mandatory. There is no scientific or medical justification for making something mandatory that not only does not prevent transmission (much evidence on that point has already been presented in the Akasha Community Channel) but increases excess mortality.

    The study can be viewed at: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/GermanAnalysis.pdf

    I hope this material is useful for you and I send you greetings, Karina AW

    https://t.me/akashacomunidad/804

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