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  1. Yen

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    #3541 Yen, Nov 27, 2021
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    Sure I can. I am able to evaluate studies (I did that more than 15 years) and since I know the virology of SARS-CoV2 and the MOA of those drugs one can clearly notice that their MOA is independent of the variants.



    And yes they are experimental. You can go on persuading yourself that they are not, but this still would even more underline that you have no clue about how drugs and vaccines are developed and tested, which are the common requirements in order to get full approval.

    From the EMA paper page 14: (BTW: Have you read it at all before you got their jab?!?)

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/comirnaty-epar-product-information_en.pdf

    So NO word, even of 'expectations' about Carcinogenicity.

    EUA= experimental.
    mRNA and vector based genetic vaccines = experimental

    That easy. The Phase III studies haven't been completed yet.

    The quickest approval for a vaccine we still have was 5 years! It usually takes 6-10 years to get it out of the experimental state.

    Check out the leaked contract conditions of Pfizer. They deny any responsibility in case of harm!

    Would you get any long time suffering from them? You don't know! I don't have to create a scary story for kids therefore, it's in the EMA paper, you know that you don't know anything about long term events.

    NO studies were performed about Genotoxicity/Carcinogenicity!!!
    And with each additional jab you get another situation!

    What else is that except an experiment? As soon as the fourth jab will be administered to somebody we have a complete unknown situation and the experiment continues.

    mRNA and vector virus based genetic vaccines ARE experimental!
     
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  2. gorski

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    C'mon, m8!

    8 billion doses?!? Still "experimental"?!? How blind do you have to be?!?

    IVM would have been shown to be effective in double blind studies since whole states used it. Given the absence of such studies this is just fanciful posturing showing your heavy bias...
     
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  3. Yen

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    The amount of administered doses, what is its actual value?
    The first ones who officially got the jab have got it not even a complete year ago.
    There is a huge amount of data and it takes time to evaluate to get a full and complete 'image' of the vaccines.
    And there is huge under-reporting.

    I have chosen those 3 drugs and I 'put' my life to them if I should get COVID.
    I totally rely on what I know about. I could not trust more in what I know it's finally about my health... there are lots of RCTs about IVM, but no nation related.

    RCTs are expensive and you cannot make money with re-purposed drugs! That is a structural issue of capitalism!

    Anyway you find observations such as in Japan recently:
     
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  4. gorski

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    8 billion doses have done nothing so far?

    And how many IVM cases which are proven to work in double blind studies?

    Gimme a break...
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    It's the TIME factor you lunatic stubborn moron to observe as many reactions and other parameters as possible!
    Time Will tell!
    You servant of the system!
     
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    #3546 gorski, Nov 27, 2021
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    Yeah, here cometh the Zombie species!!! TREMBLE, YOU PUNY HU-MAAAANSSS!!!!! :rolleyes: :D :p :D
     
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  8. gorski

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    Yes, some here in the UK arguing that it should be "allowed to take over", since "hospitalisations are far and few between" etc. (high heart rate and serious fatigue being cited)...

    BUT!

    SA is predominantly young country and these bits we heard are - for the time being - anecdotal evidence, not enough data is available...
     
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  10. Mr.X

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    I strongly wish, I hope this Omicron brings your well deserved Omega, at last ;)
     
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    Yeah, a con-servative would...:rolleyes:
     
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  12. gorski

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    No. But all your "reasoning" is a fraud!
     
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    I Agree Without Any Evidence cuz i know the Facts behind the Scenes .
     
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    You guys were so quick to start discussing Omicron.
    Why don't you show the Sars strain first and the first virus first.
    Well, if you found the second virus?
    Show me the strain?
    Or if there is no strain, how did you find it?
    Guys I worked for many years in India in Kerala and in 10 years I didn't get sick with anything!
    There are sanctuaries there with real jungle diseases that are unknown to medicine.
    One critter can bite at night and you get worms inside, but nothing rots or hurts.
    I've seen people like that, and they live pretty normal lives.
    It's just that with a little extra some kind of critter lives inside the person.
    No drugs can get rid of it.
    It goes away after a couple of years by itself.
    So, I'll tell you, as before, you want to prove something.
    Show me the strain of the virus!
     
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  18. Yen

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    #3560 Yen, Dec 3, 2021
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    This is an absolutely unreasonable and irresponsible way to behave and manner to post for an "UK expert"!!!
    Solely made to fear-monger.
    No expert would post a statement like that that is contrary to the rules of epidemiology without providing a MOA that would reason his statement.

    BTW: A contrary MOA would be the fact that there's mass vaccination into an ongoing pandemic.
    But funny part then is that the cause for it would be the vaccines themselves, since in the vaxxed the variants spread the more the farer away they have mutated away from the original Wuhan variant.

    But what's far more critical is that people are jumping on this bandwagon, without thinking and being resistant to any negative findings about the vaccines.
    Whenever there is a new variant found it's always more dangerous, causes more deaths. This repeats as vicious circle all the time and it is heavily propagated that the only way to get out of this is to get the vaccines.
    The construct of this viscous circle violates the rules of epidemiology and is therefore illusionary. So this reason to get vaccines is a reason to get out of an illusion. Nothing more.

    The rules of epidemiology are: More contagious less dangerous in order to become a dominant variant. Period! An exception would have to be reasoned with a 'new' MOA.

    This proper rule is based on logic. IF a variant would be more deadly it would 'kill' its opportunities to become dominant, because the host would become 'unable' to spread it further. The variant would extinct.

    Another value that comes along with this set of proper rules is the ICP of the variant. In order to spread more the ICP has to be shortened. A host needs to develop symptoms, preferably at the UPPER respiratory tract such as sneezing and infectious mucous, mucous congestion 'ASAP' in order spread the variant. At delta the ICP has shortened from 5.5 days to 2-3 days after infection.

    This also comes along with the fact that being more dangerous = causing more damage = takes more time to occur. (The virus enters body coming from the upper respiratory tract, when it infects there, it can spread easier. The damage there cannot be that dangerous. To cause more harm it goes down to the lower tract, lungs, there it can cause more harm, but from there the spread is not that easy anymore.)

    Omicron has 2 alternatives: Becoming the dominant variant while getting more contagious and less dangerous OR becoming more dangerous and finally extinct.

    Any other statements are pure rubbish.

    The situation became that bad, because the vaccine makers did not update their stuff in time and the politicians (at least here) did not support the health system by raising their capacities in time. It's all about money and making as many profit as possible.

    And the guilty ones are spotted easily: Those who are not yet vaxxed.
    No, thank you.
     
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