Oxford Study (Preprint) "Reduced neutralisation of SARS-COV-2 Omicron-B.1.1.529 variant by post-immunisation serum" https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.10.21267534v1.full-text https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.10.21267534v1.full.pdf If those results become verified it'd mean: AstraZeneca (AZD1222) is totally ineffective against Omicron (except at one sample) and Pfizer (BNT162b2) has reduced 29.8 fold (at one sample it's totally failed)! I bet since Omicron is highly probably much much less severe per se the vaccine makers use this argument to say that their boosters still work against severe outcome! Fact is that the 'natural forces' (for instance mutations) on the pandemic are much more powerful than any human interaction on the pandemic, no matter what it is. At it will be nature that ends it (by mutations) not humans or vaccines. BTW: If you read this study you'll notice that they contradict themselves... first they measured both vaccines have lost most of efficacy and later they suggest to booster with old crap anyway....?!
Thanx for this! However, we do - at least sometimes - win the battle, so your generalisation is incorrect! Qualify that statement, please, so as not to tell... ahem, ahem... factual inadequacies...
No generalization here from my side. 'on the pandemic' obvious that I mean current pandemic and not 'pandemics' or 'a pandemic'. Anyway depends on what you mean by 'to win'. Viruses which affect respiration and are transmitted by air / aerosol and do mutate are unbeatable.....goal isn't to win either way. Goal is to live together!
Happening exactly like ""conspiranoids"" ""deniers"" honest scientists predicted last year: new invented variants, more aggressive and deadly regardless of natural viral evolution, will come with their respective new vaccine/booster every six months.
Isn't winning = living together, @Yen? Well, apparently there are anti-virals with up to 90% efficacy being readied and we can also have new vaccines... You know, it has happened before - perhaps we shall unlock those secrets one day and defeat the virus definitively, after all?!? Unless somebody here has seen the future... I sure as hell haven't...
Yes here it is winning = living together. But not for those supporting the zero COVID strategy. It really depends on kind of virus / pathogen. 'To eradicate' only succeeded at viruses such as smallpox and pathogens such as diphtheria (bacterium). 'Unlock secrets' well....influenza and SARS-CoV2 do mutate. Influenza even much more...so the secret must be more substantial beyond the attributes to mutate. So the secret for now is to live together and not to die together. Without viruses humans would not 'be'. Our DNA contains lots of viral genes...also active viruses are living in symbiosis. The study from above still is contradictory! They took the blood samples for testing after 4 weeks after the second jab. So the immune state is active (like boosters)....anyway they suggest to booster with old vaccines as if we would have a chance to 'beat' Omicron there. The argument of waning does not apply at all. After 4 weeks of 2nd jab we have full AB levels still...
Ten weeks after the booster - waning... This I agree with, a critical article, written with some care and attention: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ou...vOsOF7TJLgwHAFejo3B78HQ2Dh8MWQDqGe_vKGLR3dG_o See what you think, @Yen...
"Despite warnings from scientists, in England everything was pinned on the vaccine" Didn't I post similarly? It's not England alone, the entire 'rich world nations' solely rely on vaccinations! I criticized that not only one time. Important is to watch the fatalities. It IS very transmissible. No question. SA is already more into Omicron. Fatalities still decoupled. For the UK it is too early to know yet....hope the best. IMHO it will be mild there, too. A brand new interview right from the assumed origin with Prof. Terrence Kommal: To 'round up that'...coming back to: "Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning" Circulation is a top 5 medical journal BTW... ACS risk 5 year increased from 11% to 25% ACS = acute coronary syndrome. Source: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
No, it's not JUST the fatalities, Yen! Look up, I broke it down for you/scientists and generally speaking politically lay people... And even if you are looking just at numbers, the issue would be how quickly would the hospitals get overcrowded at this rate of infectivity and therefore more heavy cases would go for treatment, staff would be overwhelmed, doctors incapable of tending to all the other illnesses and injuries, political pressure in the public sphere showing through insufficient NHS capacities and finding the culprit in neoliberal BS ideology, which is letting everybody down, pressures in the ruling and opposition parties, legal difficulties (with forcing people to be vaccinated, for instance), economic pressures (more and more people calling in sick), ruined studies of many students and onwards and downwards!!!
I did not express myself clearly when saying fatalities. I actually do include severe progresses which require hospitalisations. I watch closely SA and what Prof. Kommal is reporting. Omicron is mild there. Not only fatalities = deaths are decoupled also oxygen use and severity / hospitalisation rate. If it's true that AZ actually is useless and Pfizer down almost 30 fold we only can hope it will come true that way. And another thing I watched yesterday evening an interview with Malone on trial-site news. He supports the vitamin D hypotheses! Maybe one of the 'secrets to unlock'. There must be a strong affection on the numbers which is in sync to seasons! We know that we can make own vit D only when the sun-rays have a special angle. And here numbers go up when a particular angle is undershot and numbers go down again at spring when it is above again. This phenomenon occurs there where there are seasons at all related to solar altitude, at other locations not. There it is diffuse. There are vit D studies which show clear correlation of severity and vit. D levels. So I can highly recommend to get the vit D levels right being vaxxed or not. Sometimes the simplest interaction can be a major one.
There is a new study. Indicating that the evolution of the virus goes the expected way. Much more infectious at the upper respiratory tract (70 times) and much less at the lower, IN the lung tissue itself (more than 10 times LESSER)!!!! This is the common way to become the fittest. Staying at the upper tract as I wrote here: Study: "HKUMed finds Omicron SARS-CoV-2 can infect faster and better than Delta in human bronchus but with less severe infection in lung" Bronchus = big pipes, upper tract lung tissue = lower (actually deeper) tract, greater surface, more severe damage to occur such as pneumonia. Have a look at the bars on the right hand side. Bronchus / Lung. Omicron is the blue bar. So another study that supports the hypothesis Omicron becoming more 'humanized' by getting more transmissible but less severe. This is conform to what happens in SA. Less need of oxygen and less hospitalisations. But more transmissions. https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection
The problem is a serious run on the hospitals nevertheless, given the enormous infectivity, it will find all those susceptible and then many still may be lost... SA has younger population and doesn't have the money to buy huge amounts of the vaccine, hence they did get infected a lot... Fingers crossed but the UK situation looks bad, as you may have seen - the predictions are severe numbers very soon!
Susceptible ones, there were, are and will be. And more likely die than healthy ones. Pitty. We'll miss them, good bye. Nothing new here. Not exclusive to this Plandemic. All people get infected, a lot. Everywhere. The whole world. From influenza, pneumonias, etc. Nothing new here. I don't understand why so many infections though. Vast majority uses masks and follow the extreme measures. How come?
Ars Technica: Vaccine trial finds a glitch with children in one age range. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/12/vaccine-trial-finds-a-glitch-with-children-in-one-age-range/
Why the news alarming with big figures. People around here where I live are still around. Diabetic (Mexicans are diabetogenics) neighbors haven't died. Some claim already catched covid, no deaths. We, me and family, never use facemasks as I already said. We've catched flu symptoms, mild symptoms I'd say, then cured. Why the big numbers, why. Are the facemasks not working? I see most people wearing them. People on Facebook, social media, etc accusing those who don't waer a mask, guilty. Yet I haven't seen a single headline on the news, not a single sentence, stating maskless people are the responsible ones of this Plandemic.
to many experts involved that change their advice on the whims of the media for popularity ! what i dont like is the government making laws forcing employers to fire people who dont get the vaccine shots and discharging solders for not getting them. what next shooting them! these people are not going Anyware they will still be walking around amongst us but now we will have to support them because they got fired. im almost 80 i have had all my shots even the flu shot for this year none of these shots will prevent me from getting any virus but it is supposed to minimize the effect it will have on me if i do get sick . i wear a mask in public when im out and about its not a problem .