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  1. Yen

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    #3701 Yen, Jan 5, 2022
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    I of course took this to get to the original paper....detoxed from MSM like fuss...
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.21268174v1.full-text

    It's been discovered in mid November ALREADY and by that it is 'as old as' Omicron. If it would have the attributes to be more transmissible it had shown up that already...
    Nothing to see here.....would not even get a new Greek letter.
    Just a new headline coming from 'journalists' suffering from mass psychosis. The virus mutates every day...and yes also in vaxxed people.


    I am on demonstrations, against the upcoming idea of general vaccine mandates....
     
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  2. Mr.X

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    #3702 Mr.X, Jan 5, 2022
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    I should've been more specific Yen. While vaccines have specific weight to the appearance of new cases and deaths, I was referring to daily measures like social distancing and especially masks.

    Everyone everywhere uses facemasks yet numbers are getting allegedly higher and higher according to 'journalists'.

    I'm asking someone to help me to comprehend if such measures are enforced why the increasing numbers.

    And what do you mean you're on demonstrations?
     
  3. Yen

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    Political Demonstrations on the street what else? :)

    Lots of cities here are organized. People meet at a special place in the city for instance every Saturday. And then we walk around demonstrating making noise and having placards and the like.
    Those are enrolled and 'protected' by police. But peaceful. Last one we were around 2,500 people demonstrating.

    I make use of my right to go on political demonstrations. Vaccine mandates are against constitution!
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    Obviously social distancing is impossible, I get it.
    Maskless?
     
  5. Yen

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    Depends on the requirements which are officially announced from the organizers....

    We do not do a favour to the police breaking rules....last one was maskless.
    Another one in the city where's the Federal Constitutional Court there was mask mandate.
     
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...l-daily-record-of-over-1-million-virus-cases?

    World record. And it's irrelevant, right? Fake news. No biggie. Useless information. Who cares. It's "whatever, dude". "I'm alright, Jack". Who gives a flying f**k. Let's go back to the way things were. Why should I change anything for anybody else's sake? People die, dude, what's that to do with me? Just let me do whatever I want, you Fascists! My head is hurting from caring, man. Too much information. Why should I be scared? I just wanna be happy, bud. You dig???
     
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  8. Mr.X

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    I wonder why you, covidians, haven't passed to the other side. After all covid is way lethal than anything ;)

    Mainstream media = lies
    Bloomberg = fake figures
     
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    #3709 Yen, Jan 5, 2022
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    Who are you talking to?
    I am relaxed, but for valid reasons AKA knowledge of proper science of Omicron and a good immune system against MSM... :D

    We all will get infected...sooner or later...and we know Omi will break any records of numbers of infections while hospitalisation rate is keeping low.

    Simple: The R value of Omicron is very high.
    The dynamics of a wave has far more natural powers, the NPIs are only weak against...and the vaccines are outdated.

    To some people it is not clear that all those properly vaccinated with 2 jabs don't have a protection..and those booster'ed at peak around 65% at best. 2 months later also down...probably..

    Edit: SA is already down again. I expect the same dynamics. Rapid increase and soon a decrease.
     
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  10. Mr.X

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    So you're implying facemasks social distancing and long etcetera. Then for me, npis are not working. I already know this but I'm highlighting point by point for covidians to realize the magnitude of this manipulation.
     
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    The size of the virus has not changed. So if they (masks) can absorb a certain percentage of virus particles, it can be significant at lower R values..but not at higher anymore.
    Rapid tests are far superior to masks.
     
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  12. Mr.X

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    I'm not sure what you mean here but facemasks aren't relevant anymore for me and they provoke me hypoxia.
     
  13. Yen

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    Masks are supposed to protect others from own infection. Not necessarily from getting an infection.
    We talked about NPIs and rapid tests belong to.
    So if everybody who is planning to meet lots of people has an own negative test it would be superior to carrying masks. Masks would become obsolete then.

    I also suffer from hypoxia wearing such especially when it is hot and I have to work hard.

    But that is nothing compared to kids who have to wear masks.

    They learn social behaviour by reading facial expressions...the negative impact of masks on kids regarding social development and psyche is immense. Not to speak about a vaccination event with unknown long term impact on their immune system.

    People who think COVID affects only old people who have to die should think about the 'collateral' damage at kids and their future development!
     
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    Recent very interesting (and very long) interview from high profile scientist that got him banned from twitter (video was also deleted from youtube and probably many other places...).
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/00Wa1g37wWvX/

    By the way, I had the Delta variant, and I've been contacted and coerced to take the vaccine (or one of them) by the health services of my country. Not even one of the people that contacted me informed me that people that already had Covid have a much higher likelihood of serious adverse reactions. Not even one of them told me about the fact that there exists scientific evidence that natural immunity is much, MUCH better than this vaccine. Not even one of them
     
  16. gorski

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    Here, my dear forumites...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ow-on-nhs-staffing-crisis-health-chiefs-warn?

    Ministers must act now on NHS staffing crisis, health chiefs warn
    Exclusive: NHS Confederation proposes range of measures to help hospitals in England cope with severe staff shortages

    "An estimated 3.7 million people in the UK had Covid in the week ending 31 December, the highest number since comparable figures began in autumn 2020, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

    In England one in 15 people in private households had Covid-19, according to ONS estimates. The level is one in 10 in London.

    A further 194,747 lab-confirmed Covid-19 cases were recorded in the UK as of 9am on Wednesday, while 334 more deaths were recorded – although this figure includes a backlog of hospital data from England since 1 January.

    “It’s clear that we are facing a staffing crisis in the NHS, with a number of hospitals telling us they have around 10% of their staff in self-isolation or on sick leave for other reasons,” Taylor said. “This is pushing up the ratio of staff to patients to levels hospitals are extremely concerned about.

    “The prime minister’s attempts to reassure the public that the NHS is not being overwhelmed will not chime with the experience of staff working in some parts of the NHS. The government now needs to do all it can to mobilise more staff and other resources for the NHS to get through this extremely challenging period.”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...-april-italy-to-mandate-vaccines-for-over-50s

    ...more than 500,000 in UK have had long Covid for over a year

    BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST, EH?!?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-expect-more-covid-patients-than-last-january

    Hospitals outside London ‘expect more Covid patients than last January’
    NHS leader warns soaring infections in north of England will bring 30% more patients than at pandemic peak

    "Soaring infection rates in the north of England mean that one NHS trust expects to have 30% more Covid cases next week than it had at the last peak, the chief executive of NHS Providers said.

    Chris Hopson fears that hospitals outside the capital will not be as able to cope with the new wave of admissions as those in London. He said this was because they had deeper staffing problems, higher levels of sickness absence, older populations and in some cases worse social care provision. NHS Providers represents all the 213 NHS trusts of different sorts in England.

    Drawing a contrast between the ability of trusts in London and the rest of England to withstand the intense pressures of Omicron, Hopson said in a series of tweets that in the bulk of the country, “overall Covid cases v previous peaks could be much higher”."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-action-to-tackle-nhs-treatment-waiting-list

    MPs call for urgent action to tackle NHS England waiting list
    Staffing and A&E demands risk exacerbating backlog caused by Covid pandemic, says committee

    "Plans to tackle the “catastrophic impact” of the Covid pandemic on patients in England waiting for NHS treatment could be derailed by emergency care demands and a lack of staff, MPs have said.

    With about 6 million people already waiting for planned treatment, the backlog caused by the pandemic is a major and “unquantifiable” challenge as more people seek care, according to the cross-party health and social care committee.

    A record number of 999 calls and long waits to be seen in A&E, coupled with an increase in the number of people waiting for planned care could result in an “entirely predictable staffing crisis” as burned-out staff quit the NHS.

    In its report, the committee calls for a wide-ranging national health and care recovery plan encompassing emergency care, mental health, GPs, community care and social care."

    Btw: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/28/covid-pills-challenges-paxlovid-molnupiravir

    Not exactly "universal" and they come with serious challenges...
     
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  17. Dave_Ru

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    @gorski
    That's great news. It means everybody will get the new variant which is very soft and everybody gets natural immunity which is better then the s**tty vaccines they're making.
     
  18. Mr.X

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    #3718 Mr.X, Jan 6, 2022
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    Bacterial lysate as a treatment against COVID19

    Dear Akasha Community Members:

    It is with pleasure that I share with you a study that has just been published in The Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology by Pivniouk and colleagues (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34902435/). The study, entitled (translated from English) "OM-85 bacterial lysate inhibits the infection of epithelial cells by SARS-CoV-2 by decreasing the expression of its receptors," and aimed to investigate how OM-85 treatment protects SARS-CoV-2 human and non-primate epithelial cells.

    I give you a bit of context before explaining what they report in the study: OM-85, commercially known as Broncho-Vaxom. This drug of bacterial origin has been known since 1989 (see: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=broncho-vaxom), and is frequently used as part of the treatment recommended by doctors to treat various respiratory infections . There is a very good review, published in 2021, about it (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34155874/) where you can see that this product, an extract composed of a lysate of the common bacteria Branhamella catarrhalis , Klebsiella pneumoniae, Klebsiella ozaenae, Streptococcus pneumoniae, Streptococcus pyogenes, Streptococcus viridans, and Staphylococcus aureus, prevents respiratory infections, reduces the number of chronic pulmonary complications and reduces the time of illness. I clarify that it does not contain live bacteria. That is, it is an extract from a lysate of many bacteria that can no longer infect or multiply since they are dead and in pieces. There is a lot of evidence for its mechanism of action (which among other things, immunomodulates), efficacy and safety (it has, in Pivniouk's words: "an impeccable safety profile") in human studies. In addition, it has long been known that their preventive use can reduce antibiotic use, avoid antibiotic resistance, and lower the cost of treating chronic respiratory diseases.

    Thus, the study by Pivniouk et al. Recognizes the urgent need for treatments against SARS-CoV-2, and given the virus's infection mechanism through its Spike protein, which interacts with ACE2 and TMPRSS2 proteins in cells, they proposed that The use of OM-85 could help to immunomodulate and prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection. For this, they analyzed the expression (both at the level of messenger RNA and proteins) of ACE2 and TMPRSS2 in the cells, the ability of the virus to bind to the cell and the entry of the virus into the cell. They used cell cultures of kidney, lung and intestinal epithelium, as well as human bronchial epithelial cells.

    They found that OM-85 decreases the amount of ACE2 and TMPRSS2 mRNA and protein in cells and that, in addition, it inhibits the binding of SARS-CoV-2 to receptors, significantly reducing infection. This means that OM-85 has the ability to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 infection in epithelial cells. Although it is an in vitro study, it is in addition to other studies that have shown, as I said at the beginning of this message, very effective antiviral and immunomodulation effects against various respiratory infections (for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31443716/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30257691/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25483455/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32635771/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24681270/), including for SARS-CoV-2 (see: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33405321/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34829773/).

    The OM-85 product (Bronco-Vaxom, also called Imocur, and in Europe: Broncho Munal, Broncho Vaxom, Buccalin, Immubron, Immucytal, Ismigen, Lantigen B, Luivac, Ommunal, Paspat, Pir-05, Polyvaccinum, Provax, Respivax and Ribomunyl). The product currently costs between 1500 and 2000 Mexican pesos for a box with 10 capsules. You can read about its form of administration at: https://www.actuamed.com.mx/marca/24388, and you can read about the product at the EMA (European Medicines Agency: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/b...-be-used-only-prevention-recurrent-infections), FDA (https://druginfo.nlm.nih.gov/m.drugportal/rn/88402-38-4). In Mexico, Bronco-Vaxom has had a health license from COFEPRIS since 2017 (http://sipot.cofepris.gob.mx/Archivos/cas/SELS/BIO/2017/173300515A0030.pdf).

    If your doctor is unaware of the product and its preventive and treatment application in patients with respiratory symptoms caused by COVID-19 (and other respiratory infections), perhaps they can pass this information on to them so that they expand their knowledge and consider that this is one of many treatments against this clinical picture.

    I hope the information is useful and I send you greetings, Karina AW

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  19. Mr.X

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    #3719 Mr.X, Jan 6, 2022
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    Important clarification

    Dear Akasha Community members: I want to clarify a point that, given some of the questions that the members of the Task Force have asked me, I realize that there could be some confusion. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is not a properly "respiratory" virus. I have explained on several occasions that the main receptor it uses, ACE2, and the coreceptor TMPRSS2, are found in very few respiratory cells - in the lungs, only in type 2 alveolar pneumocytes (they are not very abundant specialized cells), and in the tract upper respiratory tract, there is some expression of ACE2 in the nasal epithelium. In contrast, there is a high expression of ACE2 and TMPRSS2 in the kidneys, bladder and intestine. In this sense, 1) there is no scientific basis that people without symptoms can infect others through talking, singing, or breathing, and 2) there may be virus infection in some respiratory cells and replication (generation of copies of the virus) in that tissue, but it does not compare with what may be in other organs and tissues (as long as that is the receptor and coreceptor that the virus uses; if it turns out that it uses others, that is another story). I clarify that there are other cells that express ACE2, including endothelial cells (inner wall of blood vessels), but the normal pathogenesis of the SARS-Cov-2 virus does not lead to these cells easily. So why the respiratory signs? And why am I sharing the information about the Broncho-Vaxom with you? Because on the one hand, most of the symptoms and clinical signs of COVID-19 are due to dysregulation of the immune system, which when it occurs can easily affect the respiratory tract and cause respiratory signs. That is why immunomodulators (Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, CDS (yes, chlorine dioxide solution, note by me Mr.X), Broncho-Vaxom, etc.) have been effective in treating these conditions. On the other hand, being in the winter season (in the northern hemisphere), it is common (and normal) for infections to occur with the Influenza virus, with the four seasonal human coronaviruses, with respiratory adenovirus strains and with various opportunistic bacteria, and all will cause similar signs and symptoms. According to the medical / scientific literature, Broncho-Vaxom can help with all of these - it is not a specific effect towards SARS-CoV-2. If with having signs of a cold or mild to moderate flu (as they surely did every year before the pandemic, without being terrified) people immediately think they have COVID-19 and run to get tested, perhaps it is It helps to know that there are products (not just Broncho-Vaxom) that can help, regardless of the cause of those signs.

    I hope I have made myself understood and send you greetings, Karina AW

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  20. Mr.X

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    Changing the narrative and violation of the metamodel

    Dear Akasha Community Members:

    There is a well-known phrase that says "In politics, form is substance" ... the same applies to what we are experiencing (which, incidentally, also has a lot of politics). Why am I mentioning them to you? Because when a media outlet that has been characterized by repeating and repeating the official narrative ad nauseam, publishes something like this that I share with you, one has to ask 'how come they allowed that to be published?', And that leads us to to question 'what would they do it for?' Almost everything has a reason, and it is difficult to imagine that they did not realize the implication that that note would have. I do not doubt for a second that Professor Andrew Pollard is (finally) realizing that the vaccination strategy does not work and that he is speaking from that point of view, but being given a voice in that medium is unexpected: https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-59874717.amp

    Of course, the writer of the note managed to put in a sentence that was not said by Dr. Pollard. I imagine he did it to mitigate the message. As you will see, he writes almost at the end: "Scientists agree that as long as there are people who are not vaccinated, the possibility of the appearance of variants is greater, in addition to the fact that these people are more at risk in case of contagion." I can't help but sigh and raise my eyes to heaven as I read this, because it omits, distorts, and generalizes the metamodel. Which scientists agree on this? The data and science simply do not support this narrative: in reality, the more you vaccinate, the more cases occur, and the selective pressure is being exerted by vaccines, not by the "unvaccinated." Of all this I have provided scientific evidence in previous text messages and seminars (which you can search the channel if you are interested). There is also no evidence that non-immunized people "have a higher risk of infection" since it is, according to official data from England, Germany and other countries, the vaccinated who are disproportionately occupying hospitals and intensive care units. Data on that has also been presented here.

    It is important, when we see news that have phrases like that, ask ourselves if they are violating the metamodel. Just see if they use unspecific language, if they are not precise, if they generalize, if they do not specify who the subject is ("the scientists"), if they omit information (including references) ... usually there we can know that they are not presenting truthful information or At least they are trying to manipulate the message. This is the method that all "fact checkers" use. If you're curious and time consuming, look at their "check" notes and see how they make use of metamodel violations. You can read more about this at: https://creartecoaching.com/el-metamodelo/

    Anyway, in the note that I have shared with you, Dr. Pollard is saying something important, and given his participation in the development of the Astrazeneca product, his vision is very relevant, and more so, who publishes it. this medium. Could it be that the evidence is so great that they need to change their narrative before this explodes?

    I hope this information is useful to you and I wish you a happy and free day, Karina AW

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