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  1. Yen

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    #3801 Yen, Jan 16, 2022
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    Did you read thoroughly what I have said there?
    I did not criticize that there are a lot of 'might be'!
    I criticized that a might be becomes a 'it IS' but only when it fits to a particular narrative!

    OK those are my own words completely...
    This is also a probability and an idea of mine WITH reasoning that it could happen that way! And not it will happen. I am no fortune teller! I said it could become endemic and to this 'could' the 'every human will be infected' would be a consequence.

    The 'will be' is dependent on 'could'.....Do I need to re-learn English language and grammar?!?!
    What do you want to achieve by that nitpicking at me? Everybody knows that I cannot predict the future, so no extra lessons from you needed. :)

    BTW your reasoning makes no sense. "which shows clearly that not all humans react the same way to this pathogen..." Do you know what is the definition of infection? Obviously not.:)

    Every post of mine is publicly available. With all my ideas, all sources, all explanations to share, all my thoughts. With all what happened as I thought with all what happened different to what I thought.:)

    And I already said we all (every human) will get infected by SARS-CoV-2 sooner or later.
    Do you doubt that?
     
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  2. Mr.X

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    :clap3:
    Good to see you are reacting properly :D

    As for your question, I've already answered it since ages.

    Pinkbot loves to take the most opposite corner where no one else takes and mount a "fortress" full of intellectual crap attacking anyone with its verborrhea trying to win the never ending "debate"
     
  3. Dave_Ru

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    Funny, the Pfizer CEO did a very interesting interview that's being hidden from youtube and other platforms...
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/peWDZ4lAhjPi/
    So according to him 2 doses offer very limited protection "if any". But 3 doses offer good protection.
    Not in line with other studies buy hey...

    What do you think guys ? I guess we should all fell more safe now :rolleyes: :rifle:
     
  4. spanishfly

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    Thanks for the Novavax summery!
    Personal level: I'm heavily biased toward safety. I could care less about efficacy. Most people I know comply with the vaccine "recommendations" to tick a box and reduce hassles. It looks like we'll all to wait and see more data points on how the guinea pigs react to Novavax's Matrix M adjuvant.
    I've left it too late to look beyond what you've written in your post, but I hope to climb further into the details of the earlier posted links later this week.
     
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  5. gorski

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    @Yen: you ignore what does not fit your new narrative and so you pick and choose... Nothing new here, I pointed out to it before.

    In this case you have a methodological problem: what is an alternative? Well, I gave you the alternative, pointing out you may have been, actually you should have been a lot more careful and you should have qualified such statements, with "SOME journos" and in that last quote "every human MIGHT be", not "will be" etc. Did you notice it? Did you take it on board? No, you didn't because you have an agenda and you're stretching it, at least most of the time, step-by-step!

    I mean, you are attacking such journous for stretching the results of studies but in effect you do the same thing - you stretch statistics to the point where it is unrecognisable as to what they actually might mean, if you were to take all the variables into consideration! So you extrapolate SOME values and then stretch them by ignoring all the other values. I already pointed it out, several times and every time you ignore what doesn't fit!

    And I'll tell you this, too: I have no problem in acknowledging a new piece of valuable information coming from you as a pro and thanking you for it - on the other hand, such recognition when it comes to me pointing out the flaws in your arguments when it comes to public health policy, as well as you ignoring various facts that do not fit your narrative (minimising the dangers of the pandemic, rubbishing the measures or at least ignoring them as rational) - are few and far between!
     
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  6. gorski

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    #3806 gorski, Jan 16, 2022
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    Please, teach me. Let's see if I said something totally uninformed or if you stretched the meaning of this as well, one more time...

    Who said anything about that?!? Please, point PRECISELY where I said that? (It looks like you could brush up on your English grammar!)

    I said that NOT every human will REACT the same way to the same pathogen! Point at a flaw, please. Precisely.

    Here is the original: "...not all humans react the same way to this pathogen."

    How will you stretch this one, I wonder?!?
     
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  7. MS_User

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  8. Mr.X

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    For God's sake @Yen don't react!
    Let this pink abomination be!

    I wonder I can't imagine the people around it, the struggle day by day.
    Geez.

    Well, at least, if you're going to react, punch him in the mouth!
    No more politeness.
     
  9. Mr.X

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    We are living in such a wonderful time:
    1. Vaccines makers are not responsible.
    2. Governments are not responsible.
    3. Hospitals that put the jab are not responsible either.
    But if you don't vaccinate you're an irresponsible.
     
  10. gorski

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    X, you can barely hide your hideousness... Gawd forbid the likes of you with any power...
     
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  11. Dave_Ru

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    @gorski
    Our numbers are growing by the day and we're pissed... :)
    We now even include vaccinated people that don't want more doses.

    And now they're making yet another one for Omicron....
     
  12. gorski

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    Jesus Marx wept!:rolleyes:

    When will "we" rise up against the destruction of our environment, heavy exploitation of the workforce, constant warfare, nuclear weaponry, malnourishment in the face of bewildering opulence... oh, wait, wait, I was nearly gonna say "against needless illnesses" - but you guys chose to be ill without "resorting" to modern medicine... Damn and here I was convinced I am talking to rational, educated, enlightened people, who are not masochists...:rolleyes::p:D:p
     
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  13. Dave_Ru

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    @gorski
    I'm against all of that. But, you forgot to include human experimentation on the list...
     
  14. gorski

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    I believe I mentioned that earlier, when putting one tw@t here to rights...

    Anyway, not everybody agrees with the usual mantras:

    As nations decide to live with the virus, some disease experts warn of surrendering too soon
    Jan. 15, 2022 at 5:07 pm Updated Jan. 15, 2022 at 5:07 pm
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    Italy, Spain and other European countries are reinstating or stiffening mask mandates as their hospitals struggle with mounting numbers of... (Gregorio Borgia / The Associated Press)
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    Joel Achenbach
    The Washington Post

    "Nations around the planet are making a subtle but consequential pivot in their war against the coronavirus: Crushing the virus is no longer the strategy. Many countries are just hoping for a draw.

    It’s a strategic retreat, signaled in overt and subtle ways from Washington to Madrid to Pretoria, South Africa, to Canberra, Australia. Notably, few countries today outside of China — which is still locking down cities — cling to a “zero-covid” strategy.

    The phrase often heard now in the United States and many other nations is “live with the virus.” That new stance is applauded by some officials and scientists, and welcomed by people exhausted with the hardships and disruptions of this global health emergency entering its third year.

    But there are also disease experts who fear the pendulum will swing too far the other way. They worry that many world leaders are gambling on a relatively benign outcome from this omicron variant surge, and sending messages that will lead people who are normally prudent to abandon the social distancing and mask-wearing known to limit the pathogen’s spread. Epidemiologists say the live-with-it strategy underestimates the dangers posed by omicron.
    (...)
    Scientists are quick to point out that they don’t know how long omicron-induced immunity lasts.
    The virus keeps mutating.
    Variants packing a more powerful punch could yet emerge, & viruses do not inexorably evolve toward milder strains.”
     
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  15. Yen

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    "Not all humans react the same way to this pathogen" This is completely right and never had been different, but not a reasoning for "which is at odds"...

    You simply cut out "he writes ...every human will be... " but this is in context to infection. Many people were already infected by Omicron without to even know it.
    An infection is prior to a reaction to it. An infection simply means here a virus (pathogen) is entering human body, settles and replicates. The reactions to that are different. If one is developing no symptoms at all or gets severe anything is possible with a certain probability of course. But it is reasonable to assume a mild reaction applying the SA data and the California data.
    The sentence of mine is completely reasonable, but you tried to find something 'odd' in it by nitpicking...
    It COULD become endemic and every human (as a consequence) will be infected.....

    I stated something that is qualified. And you could verify that by watching this video (lots of data from UK and agreement from UK specialists)...or keep on nitpicking at actually nothing real....

    "Specialists now agree on endemic ending"


    I posted that to make clear that everybody can make an own opinion about how 'qualified' my posts are.
     
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  16. gorski

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    Your agenda is very real... You keep on stretching it, even now...

    And no, nothing new here, the same old same old...
     
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  17. gorski

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    #3817 gorski, Jan 17, 2022
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    Btw, here is the proof you are having an agenda and blocking out everything that doesn't fit: I just posted something whereby experts do not agree about Omicron being milder, Omicron means it's all over, viruses can't become worst then the latest variant, plus other variants being still in the game etc.

    And what did you do? It doesn't fit your narrative and you just ignored it and carried on with your agenda and your "vision"...

    Sure, why not, if it makes you happy being wrong a lot of the time - carry on, as you were...

    But don't tell me I am misinterpreting your understanding, your mindset here!

    I get it, probably better than you...
     
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  18. gorski

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    One more thing: my challenge to you stands! You have neither proven anything you claimed nor apologised for wildly misinterpreting what I stated...

    That much is obvious to me! And I think it is now obvious to anyone reading this!
     
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    Here let me fix that for you ...
    When will people take responsibility for the care and upkeep of the mass of fleshy substance below thier sensory podule named "head" in English and in doing so avoid "needless illnesses" without "resorting" to experimental medicines?
     
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    #3820 spanishfly, Jan 18, 2022
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    Do you think it's possible that, like Pavlov's dog, people are now fear-trained to run to the hospital after every wet sneeze or dry cough?
    Maybe world leaders are doing what they've always been doing and listening to thier scientific and social scientific advisers and are now following a fresh crappy course of action just as crappy as the last two years of crappy choices. I'm sure it's not easy for them either.

    Official UK government publication:
    https://assets.publishing.service.g...ile/1045852/Greenbook-chapter-14a-11Jan22.pdf
    Many countries, including the UK, are now experiencing increases in the incidence of Omicron. Preliminary UK data confirms observations from other countries that the severity of infection due to Omicron is low, with an estimated reduction in risk of hospitalisation of 50-70% (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-ofsars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings).

    If we look at the bigger picture. . .
    Coronavirus is not some human "population bottleneck." We're doing just fine. Homo sapien population growth is still 1.1% per year. I think Mother Nature needs to try a bit harder next time. Maybe she's just warming up?
     
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