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  1. Yen

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    #3961 Yen, Feb 3, 2022
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    It's a huge difference saying it is political (it is in a way) or stigmatizing an individual with your idea of its political direction. I don'T need that. Did I ever tried it at you?

    Your pseudointellectual fuss does not detract from the fact that your arguing is following that primitive mechanism.
    One creates a political image of a person, which then can be attacked. It's then further decorated with additional negative imaginations
    Finally there is a complex imagination of the person and "Sweden did it best" is sufficient to beat that idea feeling a sort of self-affirmation. (I knew it, how 'he' is)....it don't stop here, a fantasy joined the imagination and the dream of wiping the floor with it, something that came from that person, completes the illusion.

    Sweden did it best is my personal assessment. Get cool with it!
    I think the readers here are mature enough to make an own opinion about the Swedish way.

    Your actual level of intellect....
     
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  2. gorski

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    Some are, for sure. Based on ALL AVAILABLE EVIDENCE, not based on your "strictly now and we forget what has happened before" so called evidence. Now, that would be quite a challenge, if they only had your carefully picked "data" (by your own admission), seen through the prism or "skewed" by the vision of your gurus. And they'd be confused, given how you keep changing your position - not according to the data but drastically, depending on a new guru or otherwise... As documented above...

    Now, that is "politicking" on your part (mine remains steady and coherent throughout!) and it's not that "primitive" as it is "poor"! Intellectually poor. This pretending you do not know who you are in bed with... Really, Yen... I understand that it is embarrassing to find out from somebody else where you actually are, in which bed exactly - but still...

    I just hope it does not come back to bite us ALL in the arse, this libertarian + hard right wing marriage of convenience (yet again!!!)...

    Sweden is the most shameful story in all this C-19 mess. I hoped they wouldn't stoop so low AGAIN, alas... they did! And somebody better say it! I am well aware of their foibles, having lived there, having studied them and Social Democracy in particular, up close and personal... So, these big issues (whether great achievements or nasty failures, like eugenics in Sweden) certainly wouldn't be missed by me, as they are by you, because it suits your narrow ideological narrative at this moment...
     
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  3. Yen

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    #3963 Yen, Feb 3, 2022
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    I want to share what I have found about BA.2.
    The subject "When will there be new variants".

    It's called 'stealth' because it has not the SGTF (S gene target failure) at PCR tests, so it cannot be distinguished from former variants such as delta anymore using SGTF. Therefore a complete sequencing is needed.

    There is an application on github, "pangolin" and also a similar app called "Scorpio".
    Goal of these apps is to go through viral sequences, to assign it to a existing lineage and / or to prompt if there is a new variant. (As being said, variants are human definitions.)

    They could not determine how to categorize that new sequence. "failed to get assigned to any lineage...."
    The corresponding thread is found on GitHub
    https://github.com/cov-lineages/pango-designation/issues/359

    And then there was a "Proposal to split B.1.1.529 to incorporate a newly characterised sibling lineage"
    Here you also find the differences (mutations).
    https://github.com/cov-lineages/pango-designation/issues/361

    And here :
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1483768659420094464.html

    What to learn by that?

    To mutate is a natural force on SARS-CoV-2, but:
    A new variant will appear as soon as humans are determining a new one!
    By this we have a huge factor to control emotions on the pandemic!!!
    They split and renamed an previous lineage to incorporate what we call now BA.2 and BA.3.

    They could have determined a new variant (no incorporation into 'Omicron')...and viola the impression of the pandemic of people like gorski who have no background would be completely different.
    Before you @gorski get worried if there is a new right-wing influence on Sweden (or on me) better make clear that you are far more prone to political manipulations at the pandemic because you are lacking of scientific knowledge, which could make you resistant about.
     
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  5. Yen

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    The mentioned researchers (I am following their works since months) Dr. Patterson and Dr. Yo joined Dr. Syed talking about long covid.
    Since your half-brother @gorski is affected it might be worth to watch.
    I didn't so far, but will do it at weekend.

    I hope you find something useful.

    "Long COVID Discussion with Dr. Bruce Patterson."


    Thanks for that.

    I also found to this subject: (This is not a very new finding.)
    "Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 generates T-cell memory in the absence of a detectable viral infection"
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22036-z
     
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  6. gorski

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    I think Scientists without a proper Humanities education are by definition far more susceptible to "political manipulation", i.e. to end up in bed with hard core right wing, as we can see quite clearly in this thread...

    Seriously: I bet I have a better training in methodology than you do in Humanities, Ethics, Political Philosophy etc.

    Btw, I suspect my younger son might have a stealth variant of some sort...

    He kept losing his mask while sleeping on the plane...

    Only I had a proper mask and only I was OK later.
     
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    #3969 gorski, Feb 4, 2022
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    Explain this away with "there is no need to vaccinate ourselves", if you please: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/us-...MlGjNsY9-l2YQNOAvFLgluJE3HCiECGt-E-omzEOXDLOQ

    Covid deaths rise

    The U.S. death toll from Covid rose to an average of more than 2,400 fatalities per day over the previous seven days as of Monday, according to Johns Hopkins data.

    Jennifer Nuzzo, head of epidemiology at Johns Hopkins Covid Resource Center, said Covid deaths may rise even more, because states with lower vaccination rates got hit later by omicron and haven’t experienced the full brunt of the variant yet.

    “Any time we have deaths after the development of a vaccine — [which] largely takes off the table the possibility of death — is a tragedy,” Nuzzo said. “There’s no way around that this is a bad development for the pandemic.”

    Milder omicron

    Dr. Shereef Elnahal, CEO of Newark, New Jersey-based University Hospital, said it’s not yet clear if his facility is fully over the hump in Covid-related deaths in this wave. After an increase in deaths over the past couple of weeks, the hospital has seen a plateau in ICU patients and fatalities.

    About half as many patients who come in with Covid end up needing intensive care in this wave as compared with previous surges, Elnahal said.

    “It’s just so transmissible that the absolute numbers of people needing ventilators looked similar to previous waves,” he said.

    Some parts of the country are seeing encouraging signs, and cases and hospitalizations are easing nationwide. Hopkins data shows that U.S. cases surged to a pandemic high of close to 1 million new infections a day in mid-January. The country is now reporting a seven-day average of about 450,000 new cases per day, down 36% over the past two weeks.

    The unvaccinated

    “We are in this at least to the end of February, for the rest of the country,” he said.

    That’s because so many people in the U.S. have yet to get vaccinated; more than 80 million haven’t received a single shot. The rapid jump in new infections over the past month means deaths will continue to follow.

    “As long as we have tens of millions of people who will not get vaccinated, we’re going to have full hospitals and needless deaths,” President Joe Biden said earlier this month.

    Although omicron generally doesn’t make people as sick as past strains, Walensky said, that doesn’t mean the variant is mild. She called on the public to wear masks and get vaccinated and boosted to help ease the burden on hospitals.

    “I know many people are tired, but many of our hospitals are still struggling beyond capacity,” Walensky said. “It’s been a long two years. However, please now do your part to lean in to this current moment.”

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    Just natural immunity, ha?!? How many more people should die by your account before you lot would do the right thing?!?

    And this proves my point re. Sweden. There is nothing "great" about their handling of the pandemic! They can have fewer cases now, since they allowed the old and vulnerable to get infected early on and those poor Swedish sods, by and large, died... Or rather were wilfully neglected - one could even say eugenics-close "corporate manslaughter", probably? - on the altar of "comfort" of able bodied, younger and more resistant.... just so that they could "go on as before" and not have to care of the elderly etc.
     
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  10. Yen

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    #3971 Yen, Feb 4, 2022
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    Johns Hopkins Institute study about lockdowns on mortality. (Not surprising, Ioannidis results on NPIs are the same negative: I posted it here, but...) The narratives are falling...
    https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/f...ffects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

    @gorski
    https://flccc.substack.com/p/large-peer-reviewed-research-study

    As you know I have it (IVM). And should I get long covid (I hope I do not, it also reduces the risk to get it when taken ASAP) I personally would try it.
    The safety of IVM is very high. This fact alone reasons a try. IMHO.
    At worst case, long covid remains. But that's just my personal assessment. IVM is major part of the FLCCCs long covid protocol a long time already.
    If they would not have successes they had removed IVM from their protocols. There is no financial interest on off-patent meds.
     
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  11. gorski

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    #3972 gorski, Feb 4, 2022
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    I don't get that 'logic' by which - what exactly? We somehow didn't save tons of lives... what?!?

    We had nothing to begin with - it was chaos and mayhem!!! It was nasty and deadly, many got a long version...

    We needed time to study it, to learn how to treat it and something to fight it with on a broad, general level.

    Hence the lockdowns - at its peak (thanx to slow reaction by Govs) in the UK we had more than 1700 DAILY deaths! When the lockdown was in force - down to almost zero! Period! NO arguing about that!

    So, we did that, with the lockdown and the measures in place, plus eventually the vaccines and we are working on anti-virals. We also learnt a lot more how to treat it.

    We also hoped that the virus was gonna weaken...

    And all that doesn't play a role?

    Methodically this is savagery!
     
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    #3973 gorski, Feb 5, 2022
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    @Yen: these "economists" are MORONS! Please, quote me on this!!!

    And how come people who are allegedly very critically minded now - for love or money - can't think critically about their little "study", using their own heads?!?

    _116090207_deaths_three_ways_15dec-nc.png

    _116090209_uk_mortality_v_average_15dec-nc.png

    Anyone remembers this?!?

    This is after a fast search but there were worst scores of over 1700 daily deaths:
    Jan 14, 2021
    Covid-19 in the UK
    4.0% received at least one vaccine dose

    Daily cases
    47,525
    -14,797 v last week

    In hospital
    36,489
    +5,872 v last week

    Daily deaths
    1,564

    +523 v last week

    It was worse - more than 1700 DAILY deaths - please, don't insult our intelligence, you "economic with the truth" morons!!!

    For comparison, today (after vaccines etc.):

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

    Deaths within 28 days of positive test
    Daily
    254
    Value: 254 — Abstract information: Daily number of deaths within 28 days of being identified as a COVID-19 case by a positive test, reported on Friday, 4 February 2022.

    Total
    157,984
    Value: 157984 — Abstract information: Total number of deaths within 28 days of being identified as a COVID-19 case by a positive test, reported up to Friday, 4 February 2022.

    Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate
    Weekly
    1,672
    Value: 1672 — Abstract information: Weekly number of deaths where COVID-19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate, registered during the week ending Friday, 21 January 2022.

    Total
    178,488

    Btw, during FULL lockdowns (i.e. full measures in place) the numbers were very low, as can be seen on the link!!!

    So, yeah, pull another one!!!

    Look, if anything can be seen from all of this it's the following: those who want to be a "fan" will continue being a "fan" whatever the data!!! It's so painfully obvious! Not even being a "scientist" prevents from that ailment! There is no vaccine against such a human malady of the brain, called "need for dogma"!!!
     
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    Guess what else the fascists will come up with?
    Behind one treaty there is always another
    Even worse than the first!
     
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    :p:D:pStart with your own "fascists", Vlad!:rolleyes::p
     
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    #3976 gorski, Feb 5, 2022
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    #3977 gorski, Feb 5, 2022
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    OK, YOU WANT A CONSPIRACY THEORY?!? I'LL SHOW YA!!! NO THEORY - REALITY!!! PROVEN!!! JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY/INTERESTS AND ITS PRETTY IDEOLOGICAL FAIRY TALES = "NARRATIVE"!!!

    Ach, you remember how I contextualised the whole story with the neoliberal/libertarian funding/heavy duty right wing organisations behind this push against the measures, because they "hurt business"? Well, guess who funds the Cato institute, where these jolly fairy tales by the 'economists' (alleged "academics" I would call hired gun libertarian [or otherwise] activists) are coming from?!?

    Yes, you guessed it: the people who wanted you - the workers - pushed back to work at the height of the pandemic, while they barricaded themselves in their homes and only worked from home, out of "abundance of caution" - the Koch network!!!

    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Cato_Institute

    Chew on that a bit and see who's "biased" here...

    Another one: https://www.prwatch.org/cmd/

    https://ourfuture.org/20131115/state-stink-tanks-exposed?sfw=pass1644072565

    "How many times have you read or heard in the news something along the lines of "a new report from the Institute of Free Markets and Liberty finds that giant corporations and billionaires create jobs if given tax cuts," or how about your classic "Toxic Sludge Is Good For You"? Well guess what, a new report from an actual, honest think tank exposes a national network of corporate PR firms masking themselves as think tanks. The report calls these corporate-front PR firms "Stink Tanks.""

    Well, that's another one with "toxic corporate sludge is good for ya, just shut up and take it, don't bother yourselves with thinking, we'll do that for ya, we're a stink tank" uplifting message....
     
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    #3978 Yen, Feb 6, 2022
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    Is this a debunking attempt on the study by name calling the authors?
    Seriously?
    This 'little' study is a meta-analyses of several studies on this subject!

    I am no pro for this kind of studies (preclinical research trials and clinical trials, though), but it looks well made.
    You can be sure once it has been peer-reviewed its science behind is state of the art.

    As being said to me it is no surprise. I had the idea that lock-downs are of not much use already at the beginning.
    The lock-downs did not work because a lock down only significantly works when you lock-in people, strictly (as the Chinese did).
    In other words. To make a lockdown really work you would have to break any democratic constitution. You'd have to disrupt any social interaction.
    The infections happen on private ground, most at home. The vulnerable people are usually older and not that mobile. So to restrict movements via lockdown has less effect on them either way.

    What would have the most effect on mortality is to protect the vulnerable group instead of a lock-down which affects all people.
     
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    #3979 gorski, Feb 6, 2022
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    If you can't debate the issues like I did above - better post nothing, as it makes you look really silly. Seriously!

    You have my detailed debunking of this neoliberal garbage in every major respect. So, c'mon...

    As things stand you stand with them. And that tells a story... A Stockholm Syndrome story...
     
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    Post-vaccine aseptic meningitis

    Dear members of Akasha Community: Workgroup members have transmitted to me a doubt about the possibility of cases of aseptic meningitis (inflammation of the meninges, three thin layers that cover our brain, cerebellum and spinal cord, without there being evidence of a bacterial infection) after having received the COVID-19 inoculations. The quick answer is 'yes'. These events have been reported in Vigiaccess, Eudravigilance and VAERS, and case reports have been published in this regard, both for Astrazeneca (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35069804/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34955313/) as well as for Pfizer/BioNTech (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34882515/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34799078/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34711784/, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34378098/).

    Meningitis is a clinical picture that reflects a serious inflammation, which, although it can be resolved well if diagnosed early, can be fatal (the case fatality rate of aseptic meningitis ranges from 4 to 13%) in the United States (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545217/#:~:text=It is now endemic in,, immunosuppressed, or have diabetes) age and immune status, but may include sudden onset of severe headache, fever, photophobia (obvious discomfort from light), neck pain, nausea and vomiting. It should be diagnosed with a lumbar puncture in which the cerebrospinal fluid is analyzed, as well as blood tests to look for evidence of elevated inflammatory markers (such as C-Reactive Protein, for example). If not identified in time, it can lead to death.

    And why would these events be associated with COVID-19 vaccines? due to the severe inflammation process that they can cause, and to the fact that both the vaccine mRNA and the vaccine Spike can cross the blood-brain barrier (I have already shared these studies on this channel) and if they do, it can cause inflammation of the meninges or the brain itself. Another proposed mechanism is "molecular mimicry" in which autoimmune-type reactions occur, which can lead to this condition (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8354782/). Obviously, it doesn't happen to everyone, but in response to your question, I say again, yes, it can happen and cases have already been registered and published.

    I hope this information is useful to you and I send you my regards, Karina AW

    https://t.me/akashacomunidad/1065