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It's not about being relaxed nor did I suggest to get infected. I posted what's obvious and by that saying 'uncomfortable'.

The threat of the pandemic / virus for each individual will always 'exist' unless the individual has gone through the natural infection. And since vaccines are waning and the virus is mutating the individual situation will be always a dynamic situation.
From a rational POV it is best to encounter the virus when the individual immune state is in the best condition, the best one can have. This is for all vaxxed a few weeks after the booster. (And of course if the immune system isn't already busy with fighting another pathogen at that moment).

Those rational facts will not change in the future. And also not when there will be new vaccines. COVID won't go away. It will become endemic such as flu.

And this also applies to the probability of getting long COVID, although unique individual preconditions are determining probabilities most. At long COVID there is hope, although on the treatment side.
It seems the MAO has been spotted and therapies are available.

It is the spike protein that is the cause. This is BTW the reason why long covid like symptoms such as shortness of breath, brain fog and fatigue are also on the list of vaccine adverse events.

Drugs as you posted such as BC007 (which captures auto immune antibodies) and blood purification (filtering out the spike and the caused micro clots) seem to work.

There is a physician in Mülheim. She is doing that blood purification. She has 250 long covid patients all over the world on the waiting list.

Neil Robinson a patient from GB was in the news. He could not even walk anymore, had mostly to use a wheelchair. After the first blood purification procedure he was walking out of the hospital on his own already.

'Better' yes, but 'we' humans cannot ignore nature. A vaccine approach against a respiratory system related virus that does mutate IS LIMITED by nature!

We have flu vaccines for decades and their effectiveness is not impressing 30-40% on average. Sometimes even zero if the wrong variants have been predicted.

You cannot expect better COVID vaccines than flu vaccines.

 

To relate both statements as a seemingly conclusion does not make any sense IF considering:

You seem to ignore basic biological functions of humans such as ADAPTIVE = ACQUIRED immunity / immune system and tolerance.

Also the zero COVID strategy adherents do have that lacking of common sense of immune system and tolerance.

Your logic is like: You should not expose yourself to new stuff and learn from it by training IF you stay away all the times from situations where you'd need it for own survival. (lock in yourself).

Humankind would not be there where we are today if our immune system hadn't undergone a development by exposure to pathogens.

An exaggerated form of hygiene is counter productive and also cause of lots of allergies at kids...

Remember the movie "The War of the Worlds?" and why the aliens finally became extinct?

I agree that it makes sense to stay away at the beginning when we still do not know much about the new pathogen, anyway we have to be a sort of grateful to all those who got infected at the beginning so we, the rest of us, could have a mutated virus according to the rule more contagion, less virulence.

 

No of course not, not deliberately. It's questionable if one could not to get in contact anyway.

A pandemic is a dynamic process where many things are playing together.
You can phrase statements which do apply without exception, though.

Yes sure and everybody still should "try" not to get it. But "to try" is a vague term. Also "to get in contact"...as soon you meet other people there is a probability of a contact to the virus.

You can list statements which belong to the former category and then make a picture of the dynamics, though.

-The virus mutated from more virulence and less contagion to more contagion and less virulence. By that the probability to get infected increased a bunch.
-To undergo that mutation people NEEDED to be infected already with the first original variant.
-An immune system needs training. Either by vaccine or the natural infection. And 'training' comes with its very attribute.

If not repeated one loses capacity. And it comes with the attribute of 'proper response'.
And it also comes with the attribute of exhaustion. IF repeated too much the 'will' to respond diminishes.

It is conform to learning stuff (intellectually). IF you have learned exactly the stuff you later get 'examined' for you can properly respond. IF there are questions about stuff you haven't learned before you cannot properly respond to it.
The more questions about what you haven't learned, the weaker the response (Mutated virus = changed demand).
And IF there are questions about stuff you have learned a long time ago, but you cannot recall, there is no proper response either.

And there are 'side effects' of that 'examination / training'.
So what is the measure? You go back training to catch up what you have learned already (and forgotten) and at best ALSO to what was missing.

(I suppose you can recognize the analogy to vaccines, old vaccines, new vaccines, exposure to current variant of virus / time of last response).

And so on...

Your last 'training' was the 3rd shot. My last training was the infection with Omicron.
The current highest wave will decline...at summertime there will be again a sort of relaxation while what we have trained fades away more or less.

And at fall the next wave will come.

So everyone has to get those things together and find an own way where those things are playing out most beneficial.
So if you say: I try not to get infected until ... it's fine. Or I try to never get infected it's fine.

But anyway those dynamics are valid. And an infection mostly comes out of the wild..and surprisingly.
What would you do in the future? That is the question.

As long as there is a threat of the virus one has to be aware of that there is NOTHING (no measure) that allows one to say:" I did "this" and now there is no threat anymore."

But with each natural infection one gets (vaccinated or not) the immune system up to date again and each further infection comes with less symptoms (severity). That is a fact.

So for me it's rather simple to answer the question what to do (personally) in the future.
Once I tried to keep away from it especially from delta, but now with the natural infection things have changed.

To expose myself naturally (not deliberately) to the virus and upcoming variants in the future to keep on my training. (Means living a normal life).

 

Every human on earth will get infected with SARS-CoV-2 sooner or later.
The individual threat is over after natural infection and not before.
Still ignoring that and hoping for another 'way to get out'?

In other words you say: Do you know living a normal / natural way of life comes with threats?
Yes if you should not know it yet. That's life.

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I said I expose myself naturally to the virus. So firstly somebody would have to infect me.
There is no infection without somebody who does infect and somebody who gets infected.
By that one also strengthened the own immune system and the virus became milder.

You have to get over it. The pandemic is getting endemic. You can integrate SARS-CoV-2 into your life as a natural part or you still can deny it. It's your choice.

It's natural -not intentional- that humans are infecting each others. It happens any single second thousands of times, with different pathogens
An infection is a threat yes but ALSO a chance. Why do you only recognize the threat?

What would your health be if you hadn't trained your acquired immunity in your childhood by even getting infected many times with many different pathogens?

Only somebody who ignores that natural process speaks about intention and by that of guilt.

You also have infected others with pathogens during life, everybody has.. And you don't know who and you don't know how much suffering it caused for the particular individual.
It does not mean that IF an infection causes only mild symptoms for oneself for the other one it will be mild as well. But this applies to all pathogens and is no unique attribute of SARS-CoV-2.

That's life. It has threats, and it ever will. Only somebody who has an unnatural way of thinking on that and cannot accept that wants to have a guilty one.

 

It's not a policy of mine. Look at the UK. Not even the self-isolation rule anymore...-->'back to normal life'....

A pandemic knows only 2 ends.
Either the virus becomes extinct or endemic by infecting any individual of the cohort.

You cannot, it's become too contagious already. You would have to self-isolate yourself more and more...and at each wave...
In other words...there is a total amount of suffering you cannot escape from...

It depends to where you compare to. If one has been a dirt-bag before and then does some hygiene, yes of course it works.
So if this is an result then the hygiene was NOT sufficient before.

For instance it should be common sense to wash the hands after going to the toilet...

It's all about the right 'amount' of it. And all about ways of infection...I spoke about exaggerated hygiene at kids (as an unnatural way of wanting to protect them) and resulting allergies.

You asked me "learn to qualify your statements...." while the real reason for misunderstanding is that you are distorting mine and then you wonder why you don't get what I post.

I said an exaggerated form of hygiene and NOT hygiene itself nor did I refer to the transmitted pathogens! I referred to the immune system and that it NEEDS proper and constant training by getting confronted with pathogens otherwise auto immune sicknesses such as allergies occur.