From where did you get knowledge to come to your opinion? It can be considered as crime against humanity IF you compare to laws which usually do apply! -There were no kids included at the study which is taken to grant EUA for the vaccines. The dose suggested for kids has never been evaluated at any study. It's just a guesswork. -The genetic vaccines introduce a completely UNKNOWN kind of tech. -There is no informed consent at all which IS mandatory to make a proper decision. -There is no need to vaccinate kids against covid, since their immune system (if healthy) can handle it pretty much better than older people. -The vaccines don't have a real approval, EUA only. Proper vaccine development (even at old tech vaccines) usually takes up to 12 years. The quickest development for a certain (old tech. vaccine) so far was 5 years. So...how the vaccines interact on kid's immune system in the future is unknown! But if you want to take that risk to kids feel free. Any responsible parent would not, though. I am sorry to say. No thanks to your brain exam, which has worked for you. I would call it brainwashing.
MS_User I see you're a fan of Klaus, Schwab. And how much money did you get from killing people and misleading them?
https://gulfnews.com/sport/golf-in-...promising-youngster-viggo-sorensen-1.85397286 Do you know the statistics for two years? How many 17 to 50 year old athletes have died from vaccinations? A lot of people have died. And an even greater number have been maimed.
IMO a informed awakened parent would not, an ignorant brainwashed yet responsible, unfortunately would.
its to bad the experts disagree with each other they create doubt about a vaccine that never was really approved ! just think about that statement for a while !!! i dont think we will have real answers until about 10-15 years from now where bad things or good things will be known about the vaccine effects ! i have had my original 2 shots and a booster i didnt have any effects on the first two but the booster caused joint and muscle pain for a few weeks it concerns me about what effects it will have in 10-15 years on my body but hell im 80 and i probably won't live that long .
@Yen, I was much more down to Earth in this regard: there are scientists who are sold souls, working for their own enrichment or fame with total disregard for anyone or anything, happy being lying scumbags, ignoring whatever doesn't work in their corporation's interest, willing to experiment on Humans without their consent etc. There are "scientists" who are out there for hire without any scruples, no conscience, no empathy. Sociopaths amongst scientists, physicians, researchers - it's well documented... On the other hand, just to give one example of unregulated science, the sea of man-made oestrogen compounds alone, in which we live, producing cancers, infertility, sex-changes etc. should tell us about what we should do with Science in general because there are such scientists and because Science nowadays is so powerful it can do enormous damage to life as such, not just Human life! And then, if we contextualise it all properly and place it in "strictly for profit" adversarial society, which is increasingly biased towards the corporations, whereby everything concerning them is veiled in "mystery" ("business secrets") - oh, well...
The original topic was about vaccination of kids! And it's not about to 'believe' it's about making a rational decision based on study results. "Vaccines save lives, period". Yes never said anything different, but what's the point of your argument when I say NO to vaccination of kids?!?! Source (already posted) Long COVID after breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infection | Nature Medicine HR=0.66 means 34% less deaths if vaxxed according to that study. But you have to consider this: Vaccines do lose their effectiveness during time since they are waning. Vaccines do lose their effectiveness on further variants. They were most effective against alpha, have lost effectiveness at delta and are almost useless at Omicron which is mild per se. The threat of the virus is there at every wave while the vaccines are waning, right? So even if they protect an individual once or twice there will be a situation where they have become weak enough that everybody who is vaxxed gets a BTI (breakthrough infection). So do they save lives? This question is actually hard to answer! I would say: They DID, but they probably don't do anymore. People got time to avoid an infection with previous variants which were more dangerous. But in return around 0.8% got severe adverse events from the vaccines.. You are completely right. This is based on rationality. If you want to know an effect of something after 15 years, you have to wait 15 years. I would not say 'experts' disagree with each others.... rather groups of different interests. -Those who want the vaccines to appear 'clean' -Those who have no interest at the vaccines at all and do rely on pure data alone. I mean when I hear statements like: "The vaccines cannot have any long term effect" ..I know how to categorize such statements....or "the vaccines do not have adverse events"...EVERY drug has adverse events. This is common sense.
Here's a recent study of the Covid-19 vaccinations on children that pretty much agrees with what Yen has said https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/cdc...abies-kids-under-5-6-things-parents-need-know Highlights: The studies were too small to achieve statistical significance when evaluating efficacy against mild or severe COVID-19 infection. As a result, the FDA allowed both companies to extrapolate effectiveness by measuring antibody levels, pointing to data from older children and adults. There were no cases of severe COVID illness in either the vaccine or placebo group. The Moderna vaccine had 4,774 children and the Pfizer vaccine had 4,526 (including those who received the placebo). .
Not even a study set-up could create a single situation where kids got severe illness. The FDA allowed that that at least there is 'something' that would show a benefit. People clearly need to understand, that there is absolutely no evidence that vaccines would protect kids from getting severe illness. Reason? SARS-COV2 did not cause severe illness at kids at all. The study actually failed to reach an endpoint! So from 'what' would I want to protect my kids? A non-severe infection? They get non-severe infections all the time. And that is mandatory for proper training of their young immune system. And how long would I expect can vaccines work at all? Recent studies (adults, though) show: 2 shots are waning to zero after 6 months. The booster does extend that by an additional 3 months. Natural immunity lasts longer and has a far better protection. Best protection, though, can be achieved by a natural infection plus one shot within 3 months after natural infection OR being vaxxed plus natural infection. To get this additional 'more' one takes the risk the suffer from adverse events of the vaccines. I am fine with my 'natural' immunity. So @gorski has best protection now.
Sub variants of Omicron. Luckily no 'new' variants so far. You did all what you could, at least what's available. Plus you know now how you reacted on the virus individually and second infections are usually milder. I don't expect that current types of vaccines, even if updated to reflect Omicron, would add any benefit. A new type of vaccine, eventually. I am thinking about nasal vaccine with attenuated virus of current variants. I am relaxed, although I 'only' have got 'natural' infection.
Indeed, this is the next step for the UK authorities now: they are preparing boosters for the elderly first... But I am waiting to see if they will "update/upgrade" them in any way... Infections are through the roof affecting the industry, public services etc. It's mayhem all over again, except the NHS is not overwhelmed like before and death rates are considerably lower...
NEW: unfortunately it’s time for another international Covid update, as the BA.5 Omicron lineage (and BA.4 to a lesser extent) sends not only cases but also hospitalisations climbing around the world, from South Africa, to Portugal, the UK, Israel and now the US...
A question one might wanted to now a long time... "Risk of long COVID associated with delta versus omicron variants of SARS-CoV-2" So more than half less long covid risk at Omicron compared to delta (41.68%)....but still 4.5 out of hundred get long COVID, regardless of vaccination timings.. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00941-2/fulltext Maybe the latest tech briefing from UK is useful in this regard: https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/1086494/Technical-Briefing-43-28.06.22.pdf UK hospitalisation is slightly rising...but still not very high: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations The same applies to fatalities: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths Edit: Posted double links, corrected now. IMHO no sign of concern yet. All far, far off from delta peaks!! Not even reached previous Omicron peaks!!! I love the professionalism of UK data: ATM there is: BA.2.12.1: 13.11% BA.4: 22.28% BA:5: 39.46% (page 16, tech briefing 43) Add: I owe the source of what I said (vaccination / waning / natural immunity) "Effects of Previous Infection and Vaccination on Symptomatic Omicron Infections" https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2203965 "Protection and Waning of Natural and Hybrid Immunity to SARS-CoV-2" https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2118946
The latest Pfizer Data Dump for July is available for download. Fortunately they have zipped up all the files by month so you can download just the 13 documents and browse at your leisure instead of having to download 363 of them one at a time. https://phmpt.org/multiple-file-downloads/ Note: Some of the files have an .XPT extension and that is a data file from SAS. SAS Institute provides a nice tool, the SAS Universal Viewer, for exactly this purpose. To download this free software, go to https://support.sas.com/downloads/package.htm?pid=2491 Unless you have an SAS account you will be prompted to create a user/password to access the file but it is a simple process and they will ask for you email address and then they will send a confirmation email to create your user/password. Then download and install the SAS Universal Viewer. .
What Omicron’s BA.4 and BA.5 variants mean for the pandemic (nature.com) Interesting... Especially......(in case of MSM fearmongering)
A study from Qatar. It's about unvaxxinated only. It's still a preprint, but it's confirming what's common sense. It's about effectiveness of first infection and they separate pre-Omicron variants and Omicron variants: 1. Effectiveness of pre-Omicron primary infection against pre-Omicron reinfection: 85.5% and peaked at the 7th month after the primary infection to 90.5%. It waned to ~70% by the 16th month. Extrapolated: 50% at the 22nd month and <10% after 32nd month. 2. Effectiveness of pre-Omicron primary infection against Omicron reinfection: 38.1% and declined to <10% by the 15th month. (This makes perfectly sense since Omicron is actually very different at functional parts such as spike compared to other variants. Functional parts are mandatory when it comes to reinfection). But now the good news!!! Our immune system is still clever enough to mount a proper immune response in time since it still recognizes the virus (at other proteins as well)...so: Effectiveness of primary infection against severe, critical, or fatal COVID-19 reinfection was 97.3%, irrespective of the variant of primary infection or reinfection, and with no evidence for waning. Similar results were found in sub-group analyses for those ≥50 years of age. Protection of natural infection against reinfection wanes and may diminish within a few years. Viral immune evasion accelerates this waning. Protection against severe reinfection remains very strong, with no evidence for waning, irrespective of variant, for over 14 months after primary infection. This study seems to underline what I tried to say...once being infected naturally we are out of the pandemic (means risk of getting severe)....a reinfection -if it occurs- leads at maximim to non severe progresses aka common cold like symptoms. Once gotten naturally infected vaccines are out of any use. Their purpose was to lessen getting severe at first infection with pre-Omicron variants. Duration of immune protection of SARS-CoV-2 natural infection against reinfection in Qatar | medRxiv