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  3. Yen

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    The archived pdf is quite interesting
    "Second China-U.S. Workshop on the Challenges of Emerging Infections, Laboratory Safety and Global Health Security, May 17-19, 2017, Wuhan, China, Meeting Report"

     
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  4. gorski

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    Sure, Yen but you should still test your ideas in the scientific public sphere...
     
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  5. gorski

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    The general public sphere is the minimum, of course!

    But also the narrow, "invitation-only", Scientific public sphere, in a much more vigorous manner!

    And then, of course, it's the bosses - no, not the government, not the capitalists - but the legislative bodies, the ethical committees, the watchdogs and so on... ALL of it, the privately owned, as well as the military facilities included (especially those two)!!!

    Mother Nature, btw, is "generous" and she will gladly support us as her "special kids" BUT if we are not truly "special", i.e. truly smart and if we do not have a respectful and rational relationship with her - WE shall kill ourselves...

    Various Bezos eejuts are banking on us being stupid (well, most of us are not very temporally intelligent [as opposed to spatial intelligence of a rat, here and now]) and are therefore prepping to fly into the unknown, with the money we are giving them...

    Serves us right! Look at these bozos who do not understand the kind of pollution, destruction and devastation is coming, if genetic, nuclear, chemical etc. weapons that we already have are going to be used...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ck-kansas-us-luxury-underground-a7833641.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff

    "Tech billionaires are buying up luxurious bunkers and hiring military security to survive a societal collapse they helped create, but like everything they do, it has unintended consequences.

    (...)

    For The Mindset also includes a faith-based Silicon Valley certainty that they can develop a technology that will somehow break the laws of physics, economics and morality to offer them something even better than a way of saving the world: a means of escape from the apocalypse of their own making."

    'Course, a tectonic movement will certainly be too much for anything we can make, a serious tsunami following, with radioactive fallout, plus previous long exposure to our very own oestrogenic-like man-made endocrine disruptors doing their thing - and we are doomed! We also doomed most of other species, with our deadly chemical cocktail, bio-BS and a lot more we have in our Thanatos loving "mind" and "soul"...

    Badly (un)educated in Humanities, these various sociopathic and psychopathic monsters are prepping us all - via this zero-sum game, a society based in an adversarial theory - for an epic fall....

    All they see and "understand" is force, combat, hierarchy, adversarial paradigm... Hence the "need" for a "gain of function" research of this kind, that cost us millions of lives and unseen misery...

    Somebody should inform them that even the US military knows that co-operation of highly knowledgeable and skilled teams are the only real option - only those guys are truly "efficient", i.e. capable of solving complex problems.... But OK...
     
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  6. Yen

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    #4426 Yen, Sep 8, 2022
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    Those are not my ideas. :)
    What I did was just to pull the scientific works of others to post them here.

    Key works with my respect are:
    "The genetic structure of SARS-CoV-2 does not rule out a laboratory origin" by Ronsana Segreto et al. and "MSH3 Homology and Potential Recombination Link to SARS-CoV-2 Furin Cleavage Site" by Balamurali K. Ambati et al.

    Then a few days ago Malone himself as being an important mRNA tech inventor AND witness of early days of the pandemic concluded the same and pointed on the obvious lie of DARPA / CIA....(Callahan)

    Who could be a better person to 'test that in the scientific public' than Malone himself?
    The testing is already in progress, only the MSM is not reporting about...but you never will have somebody admitting something...

    We (I) are active in the scientific public sphere by publishing own works, but not by interpreting results of other's work. And we do not publish very frequently

    The only thing I did 'here' myself was:

    I posted the nucleotide sequences of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine and translated them into amino acids. I offered a way so everybody can reproduce it.
    And I looked at real samples at which variant the PRRA artificial furin cleavage site is still found. It was at beta and original wuhan virus, then it vanished fully. I bet it never will come back.
    This was actually 'noob' work...:)

    THIS is also an indication that it is artificial, because it does not 'survive' nature that long...

    Either it is natural, means coming from nature, OR vanishing from nature...., means rather artificial or in other words, more fit to artificial circumstances.(like lab conditions)...
     
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    #4427 Yen, Sep 8, 2022
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    BTW:
    Last post is about facts...so now let me post some keywords for further speculation. :)

    When Callahan said: "We had a close look at the wuhan-hu1 sequence we (DARPA /CIA) found no sign of being artificial", he lied OR he ditched his reputation / skills by intent on that subject. (Malone pointed that out..and said we know today the former is true)...

    It is obvious and with evidence now that PRRA is artificial.

    OK..,the paper of Balamurali K. Ambati et al pointed out that PRRA belongs to a proprietary codon optimized sequence. He named the patent and when you look for the owner you find MODERNA!

    And guess what!
    DARPA funded Moderna in 2013 to further develop the then-novel mRNA technology.
    Vaccine development in context - Leiden Madtrics
    https://www.keionline.org/wp-content/uploads/KEI-DoD-DARPA-Moderna.27aug2020.pdf

    Basically DARPA has founded Moderna (according to Malone)
    https://www.brighteon.com/eb29bf5a-837d-4f6f-a062-52db65cff882


    So....here we are going really speculative...


    DARPA has founded Moderna and DARPA examined the sequence of the novel virus! And the artificial furin cleavage site sequence was patented by Moderna.
    Moderna was first to have got a vaccine!!! And Callahan 'DARPA's man in Wuhan' MUST have known this is artificial due to his profession (and an own) sequence...

    The ooops part was.....it has leaked out in the Wuhan lab and by that their own gain of function research (DARPA and WIV)...and the cooperation with the Chinese.

    And imagine this:

    When Moderna developed the vaccine they had a real conflict of interest!

    To code it for their OWN PRRA proprietary sequence of the engineered part of the spike of the Wuhan virus or not!
    If they would leave it out, others would have asked why?

    speculative mode off....:)
     
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  8. Mr.X

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    Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283
     
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    'There Was a Plan': The Intentional Suppression of Early Treatment to Promote Mass Inoculation
    https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/status/1568592268482981888?s=20
     
  10. Yen

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    #4430 Yen, Sep 13, 2022
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    I knew this study already.
    They took exactly the same data, but now they are properly evaluated.
    The FDA did not follow up those being vaccinated 2 times and up to 2 months.


    Anyway the limitation (as they said as well) they don't have the raw data set on patient level. Which should be released!
    More and more will be released about the real SAE / serious adverse events.

    Consider that carefully:

    Especially: Risk / benefit!

    The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interests AESI's WAS HIGHER THAN the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the unvaccinated (placebo) for both vaccines!

    This means the chance to get "serious adverse events of special interests" by vaccination compared to the risk reduction of getting hospitalized due to COVID is HIGHER!



    Moderna: 15.1 / 6.4 = 2.36 times
    Pfizer: 10.1 / 2.3 = 4.39 times

    This study using data used for EUA once more is a big deal!
    It would support the hypothesis: "Basically the vaccines did more harm than good"...

    We know there are news about excess deaths especially among younger age groups in Europe...

    Just saying IF they are associated to the vaccines, the signal was already in the EUA data...it was the FDA misinterpreting them...

    "COVID Vaccines Linked to Excess Deaths in Germany — Where’s the Investigation?"
    https://worldfreedomalliance.org/au...s-deaths-in-germany-wheres-the-investigation/
     
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  11. Yen

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    #4431 Yen, Sep 13, 2022
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    It's also in the GBNews:
    "German study into the phenomenon of excess deaths | Kathy Gyngell and Mark Steyn discuss"



    The situation has changed, the narrative about vaccines "safe and effective" isn't that strong anymore so news like that can persist without censorship.
    Not saying personally anything about that so far, except "IF"....we'll see....

    Study: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362777743_Excess_mortality_in_Germany_2020-2022
     
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    #4433 Yen, Sep 17, 2022
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    Actually the demand to finally clarify that has been taken up again from a popular scientific journal.

    The Lancet journal has published a very recent article on that, pointing out that the trust into science might suffer from it. There are (can be only) 2 hypotheses and "WE" do not know yet. STILL not!


    "The Lancet Commission on lessons for the future from the COVID-19 pandemic"

    It's a shame! But what we can clearly notice is that there are 'forces' like the NIH trying to hide data.
    The Lancet remains 'serious' enough not to point out what others have already concluded.

    Fact is the PRRA sequence was never found at any other corona virus, is related to a proprietary sequence from Moderna and is rarely found at genetic databases from original sources at all.
    SARS-COV-2 has compared to its closest 'brother' RaTG13 an almost identical RBD from another MP789 pangolin strain AND both the RBD from MP789 and the furin cleavage site 'PRRA' 'suddenly' appeared within one virus!

    Curious whether this article changes anything..and finally the real investigation starts.

    Source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01585-9/fulltext

    Moderated:
     
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  15. gorski

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    @Yen, I hate to break it to you but GB News is the utmost s**t, probably worse than Fox TV....
     
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  16. Yen

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    Good to know. :)
    I have no reason to disagree, you know it best living there...

    So I have linked to the source (German study) as always...to make an own opinion..tbh the worldfreedomalliance article one post above seems to be more serious..either way. The original German study on excess morality is linked. :)
     
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    Oh, I love this s**t: "excess morality".... :p Old uncle Freud would have a few things to say on this one.... :D :p :D

    Btw, would you consider earlier cursing at MSM good? How come you are now using them, left, right and centre?!? :D One of them can't be right, surely... But now they were told to swing your way and they are obliging... they are worth regular quotations, eh? :p

    P.S. I am listening to your advice and not getting a booster... Well, common sense, if the virus is now weaker AND I already had it and didn't succumb to it (eat your heart out, X!!! :p ) - given there might be risks associated with it... ;)
     
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    Thats the problem to many experts with different opinions! how does a person on the street figure out what to do ? if you look for facts you get different facts from different groups of experts !
     
  20. Yen

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    If there is a probable causality, shouldn't 'we' not investigate and 'learn'? This applies to anything what 'we' are using and what was originally considered as harmless....

    I am using MSM to point on the fact that a special subject was taken up by MSM..how else could I do that? :p....but you won't find a post of mine where there's a MSM article without the / a scientific source.
    The original subject is the German study on 'excess deaths'.
    I also post youtube moderations of recent studies, but never without the link to the original study with the hint to make an own opinion.

    A reasonable decision. Even a 'top' virologist here (Hendrik Streeck) has said that he is not going for the 4th jab despite of the advice of the govt where he is member of the 'team of experts'.

    Science knows different opinions of different experts. That's a sign of an alive science. What's the unhealthy thing, though is: Some get suppressed and some have 'other' interests...
     
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