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  1. Mr.X

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    What Pfizer did is a faith-based leap according to Janine Small when they had to do everything at "risk". Let's be serious and don't forget, don't forgive.
     
  2. Yen

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    Yes, that's right. That's why I posted it's the job of science to figure that out. We do not even know how the numbers of long COVID are determined. Or what are the criteria of a long covid case.
    I already pointed out. Vaccinations and infections are happening simultaneously within the population. Your mentioned suspicions are made by MSM then...all them symptoms are accounted to the covid infection.

    The fact alone that the treatment protocols of long COVID and certain adverse events of the vaccine are the same and also there is the same blood value conspicuousness should make it clear, even to a layman, that a differentiation is not possible, at least not on that level.

    Most people took the vaccines "faith-based".

    Imagine a drug manufacturer would make a study, saying the stuff works well and is safe.
    Now you are relying on that..."faith-based" and you take the drug.

    After several months it gets exposed (due to the hard work of some journalists, by far not voluntarily) that the stuff is impure and only about 50% according to 'new' specifications.
    By that it invalidates any study that was made with the pure stuff concerning effectiveness and safety...

    It would be a huge pharma scandal right?

    Welcome! It happened to each Pfizer vaxx consumer.
     
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  3. gorski

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    Once again, there is a mountain of evidence that vaccines were good, overall: they reduced dying and the general course of infection was less severe to mild, with vaccinated people.

    These huge numbers can NOT be so easily and conveniently "forgotten", if one wants to push a different story, based on seriously smaller numbers but nevertheless trying to push the whole story into its opposite!!! MAD!!! Methodologically ridiculous! Logically untenable!!! But...

    Moreover, when vaccines were combined with timely and comprehensive public health MEASURES - results were excellent by comparison when these were not in place!

    There is NO running away from it, spin it any way you want but these numbers come to bite you in the arse if you pretend not to know these facts! The NHS (public health services) were OVERWHELMED, without those two combined!

    On the other hand, as you kept changing your position - at some point you were against the vaccines and the measures - I take these efforts of yours are now at least partial post festum attempts to deal with your conscience... Mine is at peace... I was consistent: no to needless suffering, no to making profit for bosses under all circumstances, solidarity, compassion, empathy, let's take care of each other!

    Now, afterwards, when the virus finally got somewhat weaker (it's still "too strong" for way too many people that the science and politics are now trying to ignore, pushing a different narrative ==> "back to work, you lazy bums!"), then you have a stronger position, much more rational. But for early stages you were irrational, together with that Buddhist "scientist" who thought it's "good to suffer" and whatnot.

    So, rationalisations of that kind, where one tries to justify one's prejudices - I understand it but I can not condone it!
     
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  4. Mr.X

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    #4525 Yen, Oct 19, 2022
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    post festum? The 'fest' (party) is not over yet. Your idea of the vaccines will become even more shaky as new info get exposed.
    Speaking of conscience. Yes, this was a no-go. Not even a pandemic would justify what Pfizer did and the EMA had agreed to.
    You cannot lower the specifications to 50% and by that allowing a higher amount of impurities.
    50%? I mean every cocaine dealer delivers a better quality of stuff.

    I had to speak that out loud. You are seemingly still not aware that this fact invalidates every testing of the vaccines that was done with the pure stuff!!! The consequences of that are not clear, because what people are taking is OUTSIDE of the scope of proper science!

    And btw it was predictable that the quality and safety of a drug that usually takes 10 to 12 year of ordinary development must have a lower quality and safety.
     
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  6. Mr.X

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    Your consistence lies in hypocrisy. You are a consummate hypocrite manipulator. That's what you are.
    You think you are morally superior!!!
    Higher morality LOL, this is your facade to justify all atrocities made by your progressivists colleagues.
     
  7. gorski

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    Said a would-be-right-wing-manipulator-without-brains-to-pull-it-off...

    @Yen: you did NOT *have to* do anything at all! But you chose to. Why? It's between you and your friends/psych/concessioner...

    One thing is for sure: you are misrepresenting significantly the effect the vaccines and measures had on the pandemic. Period! Why? Oh, well...

    As for new data emerging and showing how a part of the population may have been at a greater risk than the other with some vaccines: I took that seriously, as you know, for sure! With thanx!

    But one is NOT to extrapolate from there to the whole world and the whole process, the whole phenomena!!! Non sequitur!
     
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  8. Yen

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    #4528 Yen, Oct 20, 2022
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    In the meantime it is common practice to put people, which are disabling a govt. narrative, to the right wing camp. But I don't care...to try to argue by putting people into political directions and then to disqualify an professional assessment because of that is kids game...
    People who said the vaccines were impure (have visible particles in them) and do not prevent transmission at all were according to your 'logic' right wingers before as well. :rolleyes:

    The answer is simple, it belongs (ethically) to my profession and I am working for more than 25 years in a preclinical research lab. I am familiar with any stages of preclinical research and I know any scientific claims.
    Did 'I' lower secretly the specifications or Pfizer? Did I invalidate any science by that and expose consumers to a higher risk?
    No.....so rather do not blame me in some way..... put those who did that into the right corner!

    Fact is that you MUST NOT change specifications, it would lead to an immediate outright ban from the right to administer it. And also fact is the benefits of the vaccines are not yet scientifically determined! You are relying on gut feeling.

    And I also *have to* post this:
    Outrage as Boston University CREATES Covid strain that has an 80% kill rate | Daily Mail Online

    Researchers’ tests of lab-made version of Covid virus draw scrutiny (statnews.com)

    Before one says..these are MSM....they have a link to the study (preprint)..
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full.pdf

    Why do I *have* to post that, too?
    Pfizer and EMA did a crime, that's my opinion.

    For the same reason! I do condemn that kind of 'scientific' practice, too!
    I mean what's the point to take the spike from Omicron and attach it onto wuhan hu-1 to make a more deadly variant?!?!

    A task of Pfizer / Moderna, too? To get more crappy vaccines sold?
     
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  9. gorski

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    There is nothing "professional" about shoving your head in the sand because you don't like the (huge) numbers pointing in the direction you don't like...

    Then, you wait 'til some new numbers come along - more favourable to your position - which was favoured by your Buddhist guru, who denounced all that nonsense as "pandemic" because according to his "measures" there was not enough death and suffering, despite millions dying and millions suffering badly from "long Covid"...

    And all that despite the fact "your new numbers" are MINISCULE by comparison to the old and SUPERIOR, much more Significant numbers...

    "Professional" was "informed" by religious and dogmatic, Yen.
     
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  11. Yen

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    #4531 Yen, Oct 20, 2022
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    Another way, actually 'your' way to argue is to extent the content to 'somewhere and somewhat' of the past.
    Look, the latest posts are about the Pfizer email leak, the EP hearing and the rising numbers of adverse events of the vaccines and the TrialSiteNews investigations.
    New policies of Sweden, Florida etc. to stop the vaccines for particular age groups.

    All that is AKA the summary "The vaccines are not that good as previously 'assumed'..." Your playing of old songs does not change that.

    Don't distract from the issue, watch this and educate your mind.
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    Yes, you are right. Therefore I do not 'abuse' an own virtual idea about somebody's political directions as pseudo argument....
     
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  12. gorski

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    Of course it's good to find out that a certain part of the population with a considerably weakened virus is better off without certain vaccines! Of course!

    BUT!!!

    Stronger virus (even the weaker one nowadays!): measures and vaccines for most population = reduction in dying and suffering!!! Period! Spin that!
     
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  14. Mr.X

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    #4534 Mr.X, Oct 21, 2022
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    LIES!!! LIES!!! LIES!!! STUPID! LIES!!!! THERE'S NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE !!!!
    YOU ACCOMPLICE TO GENOCIDE!!!
     
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    Watch CNN . They're reporting that theres a surge in resperatory diseases in children .................... because they wore masks ............. wich prevented them from getting other more harmless virus wich would normaly have boosted their imune systems .

    @ yen ........,.,. you laughed before you deleted my post :)
     
  17. Yen

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    #4537 Yen, Oct 21, 2022
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    Maybe. :);)

    But anyway I have to delete any personal addressing, which I did again at another one's post.

    BTW: Things are repeating...there is a new variant. XBB. More to come, same old records.

    As being said, science has a higher claim than you...there is a lot more specific to determine than 'measures' and 'vaccines', the fact alone that most nations did not separate numbers of died with from died because of....makes it hard...
    'measures' and 'vaccines' have side effects. And there are nations such as SA which did comparably well without a high vaxx rate...

    It's simple. I always was against the mass vaccination campaign!
    If we would have vaxxed people above the age of 65 ALONE we would have a far better overall risk benefit ratio what ever the 'actual' is.
    The mass campaign was started from an irrational fear driven collective mind.

    They were already better off at the recent variant at the day the vaxx came out... we know that COVID never was an issue for kids and there is no COVID death without a co-morbidity counted at this age group...and some of those who have died anyway were probably vaxxed.

    But kids and youngsters also got vaxxed with the misbelief that they would then prevent transmission to infect their old grandparents..the vaccine makers knew that they never could prevent that nor have they tested it. They deliberately risked their health by selling impure stuff with a lowered amount.
    This is a crime!
     
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    I just spent 6 hours in the emergency department in hospital . It was VERY slow .......... and i was told it was because of corona ............ wich is a lie . Its not because of corona its because of capitalism ........... and because hospitals , firms , government departments are shamelessly useing the situation to their own advantage .

    I had to have quick test and i'm negative :) ............ in the hospital loads of people were wearing the blue masks and not the nasty white ones . I had to sit there and after a few breaths i had to take it off , over and over again . There was a security man checking people . Its theater . Pantomime .

    Corona has been blown out of all proportion ......We live in a situation where i think the most people arent happy with whats going on and how the governments are dealing with it ........... but noone says anything .

    I spent my whole life basicly believing in our society . Always carrying the weight and smileing ............. holding out ........... doing the right thing ............ just keeping my head above water ........... believeing that it would get better ............... and now i realise that it was a lie . Jesus didnt die for me . We dont live in democracy . Laws are there to protect the rich and keep them in power . We are just slaves .
     
  19. Mr.X

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    You are not me cause...
     
  20. Yen

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    #4540 Yen, Oct 22, 2022
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    It was foreseeable as soon as it was clear SARS-COV-2 can be easily handled by their innate IS (if they are healthy and have no co-morbidities), for all who rationally related to basic science.

    Kids and youngsters got most 'collateral' damage due to 'measures' and vaccines'.
    They had to wear masks, which retarded their social development (gesture and mimics) and by that also had an impact on their psyche.
    They could not train their young naive IS against common pathogens.
    They got vaccines without benefit, but harm.
     
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