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  1. Mr.X

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  2. gorski

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    @Yen - what say you?

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/03/mtrj-d03.html

    Ever so slight inconsistencies across most of the political spectrum in the West...

    For example, the same a-holes who protested "the irresponsible behaviour of pandemic deniers" in the West are now praising the Chinese protesters as "freedom-loving heroes" and whatnot - for the same kind of nonsense...

    The narrative changed and shamelessly the titles with it... without blushing...
     
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  3. Yen

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    #4603 Yen, Dec 4, 2022
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    You are addressing a bunch of things at once.:)
    Germany encounters excess deaths / mortality. It's a phenomenon that is taking place at lots of nations...

    People should know that Germany is and was disastrous when it comes to proper collecting of data. It is a huge shame especially for a nation which is actually known to do proper science.

    Here it is still NOT possible to distinguish from have died with SARS-COV-2 or by the virus!
    Although 'they' already say the current excess deaths cannot be reasoned by the infection itself, "can no longer be readily attributed to deaths resulting directly from infection with the virus." you rather cannot expect data sets and unbiased statements which would point to a real reason for it.

    I always appreciated the UK and the Nordic countries for their proper way to 'record' the pandemic.
    It is a wild speculation...why and so it always shifts to political colourations apart from proper scientific investigations..still...

    Is it...
    Because essential treatments / surgeries have been delayed due to overcautious measures in hospitals and exhaustion of already insufficient capacities?
    Because of absence of training of the immune system due to isolation and masks and by that 'making' other pathogens more deadly?
    Because of vaccine adverse events?
    Because of long COVID?

    I am afraid you ever would get data here to answer this properly...and IF there would be data that points towards a failure of govt decisions, I doubt confession...so what's left is as always to look for scientific data oneself when they become available, especially there where they do a good job (not here)...:)
    TBH I don't know why there is excess mortally and not only here.

    I would say anything I posted plays a role except the last one. COVID is at special cases acute and fatal, but never long term, long COVID is hard but not delayed fatal...at least there is no sign yet.

    Your posted source contains a sort of propaganda at the end which also reflects the absurd politics of Lauterbach.


    When you determine that (which is true, other nations which have better data do confirm that) you cannot go on like that:
    And the last paragraph I leave out here. It's getting even more awkward..."elimination of the virus" and so on...

    There is no elimination of the virus..hello China!..., the pandemic is over, the virus has become endemic and the excess deaths have either nothing to do with COVID at all or are a CONSEQUENCE of the measures of the governments and their decisions, either during the pandemic or years ago already!


    Some change their narrative just as the wind blows.:)
    We are speaking of 2 completely different things. Dunno if they differentiate. :D
    One thing is to deny a pandemic. The other thing is to deny the zero COVID ideology of the Chinese and their hard inhuman measures against the population.

    To deny the existence of the virus is the most absurd in this regard. So speaking of pandemic denier actually means people who say there is no virus at all, right?

    The second one is absurd, but as measure. Zero COVID is from an epidemiological view a head-shot.

    I strictly deny the zero COVID politics and the inhuman measures of the Chinese govt.
    People must show resistance, but I know there is the virus :D:D:D
     
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  4. gorski

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    Damn, you threw in even more issues, all at once and jumbled them up in an unrecognisable mush... :D :p :D

    Using your own measures in this post alone I shall point out just one SCREAMINGLY obvious nonsense (sorry, Yen :D ):

    Go on, Yen, take a dead fish and slap yourself over the head, endlessly - BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BASE THIS *CONSEQUENCE* NONSENSE UPON, NO DATA, NOTHING!!!!

    Shame on you, so obviously "political", "dogmatic" and "non-scientific"!!! :p

    All of the things you criticise the "authorities" for... :rolleyes: :p

    Seriously?!? FCOL, Yen!!! :)

    The best you could do is pose a question, a working hypothesis (if you can possibly work on it), maybe your suspicion - but you MUST qualify your statements IF you are a scientist!

    This is shameless *scientism", Yen! ;)

    P.S. And a cherry on top:
    Yen, FFS, how many times did you change your stance in this thread alone - I lost count... :D :p :D I mean, even you admitted it...

    P.P.S.
    You do know that they are doing it precisely to protect the population, even though they are losing revenue, Yen? I mean, your assertions here are close to ridiculous!

    It was the capitalists (Koch and co.) who did what you charge the Chinese gov with: they wanted to push everyone back to work when the virus was very deadly! I documented it here!

    Now, I don't have enough info as to how the Chinese gov is resolving the issues with food, water and other needs - if they are not doing it well, then I agree with you. Do you have the info?

    P.P.P.S. The rest - I agree... more or less... :D
     
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  5. Yen

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    Sorry for that. :p It was a brainstorming at late night.
    It obviously is that much unrecognisable that your objections (*scientism* and the like) are actually not indicated.:)

    I did not post a working hypotheses, I asked 'wildly' questions to be answered.

    This is the only point where I have a different opinion:
    No they don't protect the population. COVID has become as mild as everywhere. You cannot stop the COVID infections nor is there any argument that would justify a need for protection. There are and were other pathogens around which are similar and nobody ever announced a need for protection.
     
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  6. case-sensitive

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    Good to see your OK , I was a bit worryed .
     
  7. gorski

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    Oh, Yen - some are still getting blasted by the virus, FCOL... In other words, the MEASURES are still a WISE thing to do...

    And look at this and weep: https://twitter.com/patientadvAU/status/1599519913353576448

    The unmasked Immunology Conference in Melbourne has turned out to be a superspreader event….

    The same happened in US earlier this year, apparently...

    The irony is dead...

    These people are playing with other people's lives, playing the utilitarian numbers game - all in the name of profit (so, no, Yen, you're WRONG on this one, sorry!!!)!!!
     
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    If masks don't work to prevent the spread of Kung Flu :g: requiring attendees at a Conference to wear them sure does sound like irony to Bat. Wouldn't a better idea be not to have Conference :dunno:
     
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  9. Mr.X

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    Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers
    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817
     
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    Of course they help, since the virus is not to be found on its own but in droplets of our sneezing, coughing etc. Old stuff, so people "forget"... when it suits them...
     
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  13. Mr.X

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    SEVERE!
    Six times that word is written!
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    :eek::eek::eek: WHAT I HAVE TO DO TO NOT GET IT SEVERE!!!! :fear2::fear::fear2::fear::fear2::fear::fear2:
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    "Severe" does not exist unless X has been affected by it - it can not possibly be!

    A severe case of narcissism...
     
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    the only thing his suffering from a severe case of hemorrhoids ;)
     
  16. gorski

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    (Add that to the list... :D )
     
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    #4617 Yen, Dec 9, 2022
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    Thanks for your concern. :hug2:
    I am fine, albeit very busy. (Some people have at work the feeling 'important' things have to be done this year, can't wait till next year. Always the same silly game at the end of a year...:) kida funny. I am actually over that, but...hey feeding their illusions, doing it:D).

    "Autopsy-based histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination"
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5#Sec3

    A good German study, not far away done from here. A good team. (Good German work on pandemic related matters are rare!)
    (This is for the people with background. Just another piece of a whole).
    By those I mean those who have CD4+ t-cells in mind..as 'troublemakers', TH2 path also. And those who know what TH1 and CD8+ really does (namely prevent and protect and namely cross-protect naturally and to hit SARS-COV-2 there where it hurts without 'side' effects).:D
     
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    "While the Australian corporate media and political establishment present the pandemic as a thing of the past, COVID infections and hospitalisations are continuing to increase. With all safety measures having been overturned, governments have created the..."

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/10/tahp-d10.html

    So, what's more important: profit or... Meer "details"...?!?
     

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  19. Mr.X

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    A never-ending story

    Dear members of Akasha Community:

    For 20 years, my scientific research has been focused on trying to answer 'why do individuals get sick?'. The thing about 'why' questions in science is that they are too broad to answer; For this reason, my most grounded research questions focus on trying to understand what are the factors that influence the fact that in a given population, some individuals become ill and others do not. To study this, I draw on natural populations of wild animals, such as the California sea lion, northern elephant seal, blue whale, and more recently, the Antillean manatee and Guadalupe fur seal. And the diseases that I study are varied, from cancer to diseases caused by intoxication and viral, bacterial and fungal infectious processes. It is fascinating work (at least for me and my group, it is), which allows us to go to places of incomparable beauty, to remember silence and nature, to learn so much from what animals can teach us, and, also, to It allows us to put our training in immunology, molecular genetics, epidemiology, microbiology, and multivariate analysis into practice. It really is a gift to be able to do this job that I love to do so much.

    But, what is the point of all this?, some may think. Well, to the fact that if I have learned anything in these two decades of conducting research, it is that 1) not all individuals are the same, 2) many microorganisms that are normally attributed as 'the cause' of diseases, actually play a role Secondary (for example, we have found DNA from a gamaherpesvirus in many sea lions that some researchers consider to be the cause of urogenital cancer in this species, but their genital epithelia are clean and healthy, with no evidence of cellular transformation. Does this mean that gamaherpesvirus does not play a role in the development of sea lion urogenital cancer? No! but it means that the disease is due to the interaction with many - many - factors, and that many sea lions may have the virus in their cells and not have any problem. Like COVID! (You see how good it is to know about sea lions to understand the reason why there are so many people who "come out positive" in the test eba, never developed any symptoms, and this even taking into account the fact that the diagnostic tests used have such a poor positive predictive value as they are done, and that it was never validated with a gold standard of clinical relevance).

    So, I was saying, many other factors play a role in the development of the disease. And do you know which is the most important? the proper functioning of the immune system. Be careful, I did not say 'maximum performance'. I said 'good working'. It's not the same thing as optimal, although many doctors and some dentists think it is (perhaps they would not only do well to go back to study immunology, but brush up on their vocabulary). The immune system, which has been present in all cellular organisms since the appearance of bacteria approximately 3,800,000,000 years ago, is what allows us to differentiate what we are from what we are not, including the presence of our molecules that are changed ( as occurs during many types of cancer). It really is wonderful. But the point is that it can be deregulated (for example, with exposure to toxic agents) and it can be limited in its functioning if, for example, there is poor nutrition, or if too many energy resources are being invested in other processes, or if we deplete it. with repetitive stimulation against the same thing (an example came to mind?).

    So, in the context of the global humanitarian insanity that, for reasons I still don't understand, we choose to experience, it is important to keep in mind that the most important thing is, precisely, to take care of our immune system.

    I don't know if you already know, but it turns out that the pseudo-sisters of charity of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the WHO and Johns Hopkins University, decided to carry out, on October 23, 2022, a preparation 'exercise' catastrophic pandemic (I'm not using superlatives, that's what they called it: https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/2022-catastrophic-contagion/)

    In their 'exercise' they simulated what would happen, and what their response would be, if cases of Severe Epidemic Enteric and Respiratory Syndrome (SEERS... no, no kidding) unexpectedly appeared. In his 'exercise', which takes place in 2025, there are more than 50 cases in two South American countries (in Brazil and Guyana, I think) and from there it spreads rapidly to the entire planet, with 1,000 million cases in a few months. . Terrible! and even worse, because the virus (which, from the image they posted, would seem to be a flavivirus - it looks a bit like the cartoon they put on the Dengue virus), affects children and young people in an unusual way.

    Well, but is it that these self-sacrificing, generous and charitable (yes, it's sarcasm) gentlemen never rest? It was not enough to carry out their prophetic exercise on October 18, 2019 (https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/event201/) in which with almost surgical precision that Nostradamus would have envy, they predicted what would later they themselves declared a few months later. They couldn't get enough of your exercise on the 'emergency' of monkey pox (or monkeypox, or whatever you want to call it; https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf) a few months before the cases appeared and that led to the declaration of another emergency situation by the WHO, despite the fact that at that time there was not a single death. It seems to me that we should already consider building a space to house these brand new 21st century fortune tellers, and start asking them other questions, because their predictive capacity is unusual.

    Given the correlation between his 'exercises' and his emergency declarations months later, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the same thing happened this time, and that before long the media started talking about strange cases of enteric-respiratory syndrome. If that happens, I think there will be a lot of hustlers and goofballs who will buy it all, there will be dudes who want to please their bosses, their colleagues, their pharmacists, and they'll 'jump on the SEERS boat in a heartbeat', but in I really hope that many others do not do it, that they question themselves, that they do not fall into fear; and that, regardless of the existence or not of a virus (today fictitious, but these gentlemen are very ingenious), from now on they do everything necessary so that their immune system is optimal (many things have already been shared here with medical protocols in this regard ), that they sleep well, that they do moderate exercise, that they have enough exposure to the sun, that they eat healthy products and that they have a good supply of micronutrients, that they find ways to calm their minds... that promote their health, well. And the same applies to children and young people!

    I greet you and wish you well, Karina AW

    https://t.me/akashacomunidad/2291
     
  20. case-sensitive

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    Seriously ....... what was the point in posting that ? What do you ' think ' it says ? What relevance do you ' think ' it has ?

    I dont mean to be rude but its obvious that your english isnt good enough to be able to understand whats written there . That whole article is verbal and mental acrobatics .