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  1. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    Wow you have signs of a sad frustrated eugenicist dying madman.
     
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    Once the true origins of SARS-CoV-2 come to light, it'll be time for the WHO to consider COVID-19 for eradication!
     
  4. gorski

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    Forcing was wrong, of course. Esp. if kids were forced...

    But for elders and mature ladies and gents it was helpful in a lot of cases - coupled with measures. Death rates fell dramatically...

    One should also be careful with the currently intended war with China - not to use this as a tool in that endeavour, 'cause one can easily become imperialists' *useful fool*...
     
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  5. Yen

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    #4765 Yen, Mar 22, 2023
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    The pandemic has been over-dramatized for reasons to gain political powers / control people.
    Matt Hancock: Leaked messages suggest plan to frighten public - BBC News

    While the vaccines have been over-glorified to gain capitalistic interests. No matter how's the collateral damage / adverse events / real effectiveness.

    Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD and State Health Officer & Surgeon General of Florida.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1636707603915980803

    People have been fooled all the way by people who are power-mad and that all over the world.
    And I can recognize as issue an over-dramatizing / panicking of the pandemic and an overestimation of the effectiveness of the applied measures rather than a downplay of the pandemic (as a real issue which would have caused substantial harm).

    The entire thing has to be worked off, not only the origin of the virus. Still..the lab leak hypothesis has most valid scientific arguments......

    Edit:

    Just have found that:
    "Is there a Link between the 2021 COVID-19 Vaccination Uptake in Europe and 2022 Excess All-Cause Mortality?"
    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202302.0350/v1
    Still a preprint, though

     
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  6. Opulent_Maelstrom

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  7. 55Percent

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    On March 21st of this year The Sydney Morning Herald published an article that contains some interesting information and the presentation of the information is such that I suspect they have their data properly checked and so can be trusted.

    First the link:
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-b...1-p5ctvc.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

    And next I want to quote two paragraphs that are a bit down the page:
    And, the final point is that, as soon as the Chinese authorities realized the data was out in public view the data was removed. That is also in the SMH's article.
     
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  8. Yen

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    Thank you for that.

    The most important bit to categorize that is IMHO: "The genetic data cannot prove that the animals were infected, only that they were in the same spot as the virus."
    The samples were collected from the stalls / were found on stalls! Not from an animal.

    "But there was far more animal DNA there than human." Yeah well. Who was living in those stalls from where they collected the samples? Humans or animals? :D

    To conclude a zoonotic origin by that is not justified. Holmes "you cannot get better evidence" is pointless and over-keen.

    Consider there would have been a wuhan market salesman infected by COVID... working with those stalls and sneezing.
    They also said most samples also had human DNA in them...

    But obviously the Chinese did not want to have a theoretical link to animals sold there. Probably to avoid that it gets public what they really are selling there. (Protected species such as raccoon dogs, hedgehogs, porcupines and bamboo rats).
     
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  9. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    #4769 Opulent_Maelstrom, Mar 24, 2023
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    And above all that, scientists researching Sars-CoV-2 origins, would be extremely incompetent for suggesting LAB origin. All their knowledge would be total crap.

    Edit:
    Sorry I forgot to mention that I am being quite a bit sarcastic.
    There's a lot of evidence this coronavirus is lab created.
     
  10. MS_User

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    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. gorski

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    As for businesses: Koch Industries wanted you (workers, proletarians, middle classes) all FORCED OUT TO WORK, while they bunkered down safely, "out of abundance of caution", working strictly from home... They spend many, many millions to force the move onto ALL!!!
     
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  13. Yen

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    #4773 Yen, Mar 26, 2023
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    Tracing back the origin of COVID leads to wuhan market as the place where the virus spread first.
    And there were susceptible animals.
    This does not conclude a zoonotic origin at all. Nobody can answer who was first infected there. Some animals OR some humans.

    'The' science there does not include what's IMHO most important.
    The genetic analyses of SARS-COV-2 itself. It is that much 'unnatural' that an animal origin is hardly to explain.

    It contains a furin cleavage site never found at beta corona viruses before. And the WIV published papers where they explicitly published tech to demonstrate that they are able to create such chimeric viruses.

    And finally what's never considered. Even if host zero should be animal, it still could be a lab virus. We know that such labs do infect animals as well.

    To me a lab escape is still the most probable event....at earlier times of the pandemic I supported the zoonosis hypothesis, though.
     
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  14. gorski

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    You're clutching at straws now...

    The fact is, these days this is yet another way to attack China and try to start yet another war. No thanx!
     
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  15. Yen

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    My own evaluation of the matter does not include any political consideration. (as a scientific evaluation always should be).

    If reading back I changed my mind on that far earlier (not 'these' days) where the political situation with China was different.
     
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  16. gorski

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    Yes but it was promoted by so many from the West, esp. the racist Right... So, we better be extra careful here, so as not to be anybody's "useful fools"...

    And I think you did change your mind on that one, too, so... extra caution is wise, I should think...
     
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    >And finally what's never considered. Even if host zero should be animal, it still could be a lab virus. We know that such labs do infect animals as well.

    >To me a lab escape is still the most probable event....at earlier times of the pandemic I supported the zoonosis hypothesis, though.


    LOL ;) ........... = Thers no proof . There can be no proof = EVERYTHING said in this thread is ignorant speculation ?
     
  18. Yen

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    #4778 Yen, Mar 27, 2023
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    As being said. Science knows other means. In that case hypotheses / theory.
    Proof is no superlative like if it's absent you can forget anything else.
    Think about where proof really plays a role at your daily matters and anyway what do you consider as 'good' and 'right' in your life and you live that way.

    No. There cannot be proof ≠ ignorant speculation. The big bang theory belongs exactly to the same quality of scientific 'knowledge'. It's a theory, nothing more.

    You have to evaluate what speaks for the lab leak hypotheses and what for the zoonosis origin. And then compare...

    And other means are statistical significance / probability and correlation. (At medical studies).
    There is also never a word about 'proof', for instance: "Deliver proof that substance x works or does this or that!".

    Anyway that's the way science deals with 'result' and concludes. You falsify H0 which is saying there is no difference between 2 groups.
    (Between the group / population that has applied the thing to be tested and the control group / population).
     
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  19. gorski

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    "Fortune Erin Prater 31 Mar 23 ‘Everyone is kind of tired and has given up’ on COVID. But this new variant is ‘one to watch,’ the WHOsays. XBB.1.16, dubbed “Arcturus” by variant trackers, is very similar to U.S. dominant “Kraken” XBB.1.5—the most transmissible COVID variant yet."

    Pat Fisher on Twitter
     
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  20. Opulent_Maelstrom

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