Nothing wrong with living a healthy life style, but it has no references with the subject of Covid19, your once again getting off subject.. Perfectly healthy people can get Covid 19, and even if they show no signs, they can and do pass it onto others.
No, Joe it's being arrogant, that what it is - and you have been found out... yet again... and again... and again... Condolences, it's your nemesis... not that you could possibly do anything about it, you are totally ruled by it... Irrational to the bone... Keep... "expressing it", why don't you... You are going to do yourself some damage, one day, with this "attitude", when you try to patronise somebody right in front of you, who happens to be much better informed than you and stronger as well but of your own "attitude"... May I wish it upon you as soon as possible, as this seems the only way you may be able to "learn"... That is how aggressive you are.... Also, that piece of work was done doing REAL RESEARCH, something you know nothing about, BEFORE the internet was ever an option... That's how "informed you are.... Point Zero, "could" is not the same as "does", I hope we all know the difference.... Code: https://ia803008.us.archive.org/18/items/Linus_Pauling_PDF/How%20to%20live%20longer%20and%20feel%20better%20-%20Pauling,%20Linus,%201901-1994.pdf EDIT: Page 50, for instance....
I am only "aggressive" to what I personally consider "little wankers" like yourself. Go back in your little room before your mom finds out your on her pc again. nuff said BTW: Your Off Subject! I can understand how little kids can easily get side tracked from the main subject by having to make their point at others expenses
this here is telling u a lot....look how stupid people are. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/michigan-...s-capitol-193513207--abc-news-topstories.html
yup.... no matter what... you can't fix stupid These people only can think of themselves... what they consider "their rights" and to hell with everybody else. They do not care if they become infected and spread this Covid19 to others. They are like winy babies that have a temper tantrum because they can't get what they want. They have no care for the good of the community.
This is nothing to do with "belief" but science. And it's not him who started the ball rolling - it's the person who discovered it - and subsequently everybody worth their salt confirmed it. Now, what exactly was "debunked"? That when you are sick your tolerance for vit C is progressing ever higher as one is progressively sick? One should stop and ponder... But of course: he dared touch the old nutritionist dogmas and old authorities, without being one of them - nah, we can't allow that... Joe, you have just done the Trumpian sh&t: "It's X!" X turns out to be stupid. So, tomorrow he says "I was only joking to see how y would react." Aggressive while ignorant, hence arrogant, caught with his pants down - congrats, very efficient! You are always off the subject because you are personal, as in (to use your own words) a proper little wanker, since you do not know how to talk about a subject! And how could you, since you are utterly uninformed... The response is to do with one's immunity, owing to bad diet, poor "lifestyle", not understanding one's bodily needs and how to satisfy them in today's society and system of agriculture and industry that stands between you and the producers. I.e. ahistorical thinking. (Yeah, I know, what would you know of that - but it ain't you I am addressing, don't worry your twisted little brain...) One also responds trying to figure out why the strongest antibiotic on Earth is being given to those infected with the virus. (As in "trying to be helpful". But OK, to "little wankers" that looks exactly like their own image, what else...) Not that it is controversial, as far as I can see, in this case but OK... Stay uniformed, what else can you do, consumed with this idiotic need to be nasty to people, even though they have not started it and not addressing you personally.... A really feeble mind!
@PointZero: thanx for the links. I haven't seen them but it stands to reason that the same conditions prevalent in Pauling's time are persistent, hence it is recommended to try to boost one's immune system response, of course. As in "it could help", as is quite reasonable and prudent...
Well, this is the thing: you do the right thing with using "could". Scientists worth their salt do that. They qualify. Especially in Humans, it is impossible to experiment in a strict manner, as there are many problems, many variables that we can not control. However, by the same token, it is impossible to absolutely claim the opposite, especially since we know that our immune system depends on micro-nutrients... Many, many pieces of research have found this to be true. Besides, his point, broadly speaking, is to try to improve Humanity's health, given the food productions system and late capitalist "lifestyle" of a great majority of people, especially Americans. I find it laudable, not objectionable. It looks almost "interested", this push back by some in the medical establishment.... Well, given their interests, it's not surprising... For instance, see how this might be telling a story compatible with Pauling's goals: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...end-lockdown-politics-covid-19-latest-updates Or: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-19-death-rate-more-than-twice-that-of-whites So, Pauling is too great a scientists to ever claim anything like his "critics" are trying to imply, especially those whose work and authority he challenged, as they were looking into an easier way to bring the great man down, as if he claimed a panacea... That is a straw-man...
Getting back one more time to vitamin supplement. Either way the right approach would be IMHO to measure own vitamin levels BEFORE considering supplement. The values are 'the last' scientific base from where a rational consideration can start. The next is already controversial (except there is an illness like scurvy vit C or rachitis vit D, etc)....the levels which are considered as 'normal' and the natural level variation during seasons. Next consideration would be to get the levels right by changing personal nutrition and spare time. Sports, fresh air, walking, movement, sun.....(anti couch potato) Another would be to take only the PRO vitamins supplementary (if existent) and let the body itself synthesize the demand. And finally another reason would be realizing a personal approach following a scientific study and taking vit. pills to support body against a personal illness like cancer, or to support personal well-being. (B vitamins or vit. D). When one has cancer and is convinced of high dose vit. C one should ask his personal doc before. (and do it if there are no objections otherwise). My dad has cancer I do not advise it though. (He has no stomach anymore and vit C would be an aggressive acid). He's taking other natural immune system supporting agents (such as antioxidants like flaxseed oil) , though. When being healthy I personally would not advise to take vit. pills on one's own except there is a remarkable low level and it's advised by a doc. I am fan of foods which have a great amount of lacking vitamins or other supporting groups of substances like omega-3- fatty acids. There are a lot of fruits (vit C) and nuts (vit B and E) and vit B12 (liver of beef) or fish like mackerel...
Actually, @PointZero you can only see the old authorities in the area claiming that they still are the authorities. There is no claim that vit C is panacea... Achieving better health is the goal, not "altogether stopping" any disease - "it has value in..." is not the same as "it will prevent and stop". It is very easy to do this but it is also very wrong.
@Yen, vit C is a very small portion of acidity in the stomach, as can be seen in those books... He never claimed vit C will obliterate cancer. His claim is that it can help prevent and it can help treat it. Anything on top of that is nonsense claimed by the aggrieved parties, which has no value in this debate. Even in that video one can hear that subsequent studies on large numbers of people show quite clearly that people who take 10 times the recommended dose of vit C live longer, on average 6 years longer, and have less health issues... I'd say this is significant. Btw, the claim of one of the contributors in the video that Pauling was universally rejected by the medical profession is wrong! That can also be seen from the very same video. The attempt at patronising him from the people who will never come close to him in terms of significance in science is laughable, quite frankly.... Pauling questioned their dogmas and of course they attacked him - but their methods were anything but scientific! In the context of Corona virus, look at the significant differences in death rates between the haves and have-nots. I'd say it's obvious why that is. That was Pauling's goal and his legacy. But for that to happen wholesale, I think we should change the society drastically...
Yes this is right. I actually wanted to refer / have referred to my dad's situation (no stomach anymore) I correct my post to make that more clearly. I know people who are convinced that taking vitamins is good for them. I have absolute no objections. I posted my personal opinion about, because MJ asked for it. A close friend takes vit D during 'dark' seasons. He's from Argentina and used to have had lot of sun when growing up there. He feels less depressive since then... I also know a study where vit D had been useful at respiratory disorders. It has clearly effect on calcium and phosphate metabolism (bones)...also calcium uptake there. And taking 1,000 IU per day during dark seasons (or even through COVOD-19 crisis) is for sure no mistake. (Cholecalciferol can be seen as pro vitamin, it is no active D)...but I myself don't take vit.D
So, let's drink green juices / smoothies full of vitamin C. All natural sources of course. If it's man-made don't take it. lol
The best vitamins come from a good diet and good nutrition. IMHO, there are two candidates where vitamins are crucial a ) Children, because they are developing. and b ) pregnant women, because their bodies are caring for two or more beings "in the same shell" so to speak. As far as uaing vitamins to battle cancer, it's been proven time and time again that it's junk science, left over from the days of P.T. Barnum. and the travelling salesmen from pioneer times. Some vitamins, in high doses can hurt or kill you. Vit. A is toxic in high doses. Vit. C, in high doses can cause kidney stones. I haven't had it in a while, but there's just something about freshly squeezed orange juice that I like.
Vit C is actually prescribed to prevent kidney stones or to help deal with them, if memory serves. There are two forms of vit C, so one needs to know what kind of stones one is prone to making and then the opposite form is prescribed as prevention... MJ, if one actually reads the book one can see how we have created a society where food is not used fresh and hence.... Oh, well, no need, the prejudices will stay, what can anyone do... @Yen, thank you! It's easy to talk to people who actually studied something properly, know their stuff and don't generally have a chip on their shoulder... What I learnt over decades of reading on the subject and testing it on myself - taking vitamin and mineral supplements - is that I stopped the bleeding and retreat of my gums, when I was forced to join the army (that food is... oych... don't get me started!) , that a number of other things have improved, as I discovered after that, when I studied, once out of the army, given the kind of food one is eating then (plus not sleeping regularly and so on and on) and my colds have become shorter and milder if caught early with mega-doses of vit C in particular. I also learnt that they are mutually active and help each other with absorption rates, also with absorption of some minerals (like C/E and C/iron etc.), which helped me when I had anaemia (and I was a sportsman, hence this was weird and quite astonishing - what I was able to do even though I was literally about to collapse [as I did, hence taken to a doc and tests have revealed...] - as well as the improvement when I started using C and iron etc.). But people live in this dreamland as to what our food is actually like... Especially if you are not exactly rich or well off... And that is the point here - general health of Humanity. But who's bothered, eh? Well, Linus was! He deployed not only his general chemistry knowledge but also his historical thinking to point to obvious issues in our civilisation, when it comes to our nutrition/diet and system of food production, delivery and so on... But OK... S/he who has the ears to hear it will and s/he who doesn't...