Coronavirus | Discussion

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  1. gorski

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  2. zen45

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    Take 2 aspirins in the morning eat breakfast and 2 beers before lunch so far im just as good as taking recommended medications that come out every other week ! the experts and scientists remind me of my wife reading a road map some time you have to tell them the map is upside down ! at some point in time im sure they will find a cure or at least something to weaken the virus where it doesn't do much harm but right now there not doing very and the media makes it worse endorsing every fish oil cure !
     
  3. R29k

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    You might like this then ....
    Ars Technica: Americans are drinking bleach and dunking food in it to prevent COVID-19.
    https://arstechnica.com/science/202...h-and-dunking-food-in-it-to-prevent-covid-19/
     
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  4. gorski

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    My, oh, my.... C'mon, man...
     
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  5. zen45

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    has anybody heard of anything useful about a cure yet nooooo ! there are a lot of people out there doing stupid s**t taking things that will kill or harm themselves ! and there are a lot of soothsayers predicting a date on a cure " most likely there will never be a cure " did they ever cure the flu ? the flu shots you get if you get them are different every year , the virus evolves so they have to create a better flu shot ! also 2 aspirins a doctor will tell you thins the blood and helps to prevent blood clots lesion's a headache and helps with inflammation , and i say 2 beers will make you feel a little better sorry if that excites you LOL
     
  6. gorski

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    Oooo, you is sharp!!!! :rolleyes:

    Any idea how complex this stuff is?

    The best minds, working in teams, take at least 3 months to figure out basic functions of da beast...

    But listening to you - they are all slouches... Woof, you must be a monster scientist, scoffing at them all from on high...
     
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  7. Yen

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    #567 Yen, Jun 7, 2020
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    A classic drug development takes 12 years in average. And 50% (at best, wiki says 70-75%) of the drugs that have reached Phase III are still failing! (Not to speak of Phase IV that is actually a long term safety / comparison Phase after approval).

    I have learned that when we did own research. Synthetic drug design (Alzheimer, Epilepsy, Heart, Tranquillizer). Year 1989 to 2004. No viruses, though.

    Now I am involved in phytopharmaceutical research.

    The clinical Phases which do apply for successful approval (full development) are the same, though.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research

    Classic vaccine development would take similar time if started from scratch. With mRNA tech that is based on findings we've got already and shortcuts at R&D processes we can be happy to get one next year. This would be very fast.

    Also corona has another risk / benefit classification and many many different researchers are working at it.

    You cannot compare virus to virus. (Flu to corona) You have to know to which kind of viruses it belongs to. (This is subject of an entire study).

    There are even 3 different influenza viruses A, B and C. (A is most harmful and can cause pandemia, C is rather harmless).
    They are constantly changing their viral coat. The WHO recommends each year which viral strains could play a role (two actual influenza A and one actual influenza B strain) at upcoming seasons of flu and you have to get vaccinated every year.

    At some seasons the WHO (and the local authorities that should verify their recommendation) were wrong at their predictions and other viral stains played a role and vaccination turned out being almost useless.

    My knowledge on viruses is very low, but already complex. Can imagine how complex it really is when studied them all.
     
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    I think a good source of info on caronavirus is The UKColumn on Youtube.

    Not just the caronascam, but other things to, mostly to do with the UK.

    Hope it helps, or at least interests you guys
     
  9. Mr.X

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    only posters here, mr.X; no readers..;)
     
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  11. WindowsGeek

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    I hear the level in infection is spiking again in a lot of cities.
     
  12. Mr.X

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    #572 Mr.X, Jun 10, 2020
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    LOL. As if big pharma cares they poison people with their concoctions.
    Just dig a bit about "benzos" silent epidemic.
    I'm a victim of iatrogenic dependence thanks to this evil dynamic duo: big pharma and medical industry.
    But that's another story.
    -End of rant-

    lol
     
  13. gorski

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    They are not all the same, though, truth be told....
     
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  14. Bat.1

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    Got off both Benzos and Opioids right at 1 Year ago after 25 Years. Planning to Expat and where I'm going those drugs aren't so easily available, especially at the amount I was taking. Had been through withdrawals of both at least a dozen times before. I'd rather take de pain versus what de drugs were doing to my body. I can't imagine ANYTHING WORSE dan going though Benzo withdrawals :fear2:
     
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  15. Yen

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    #575 Yen, Jun 11, 2020
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    There are classes of drugs with a potential to be addictive.
    It's actually the job of your doc to evaluate your benefit / risk and if those drugs are really indicated.
    But you're right Benzo withdrawal must be something really hard, I can imagine well...

    There is a simple rule: The longer you take them the harder to get rid of them.
    This applies to anything you are getting used in life. :)

    Benzos have their place at medication, but the sickness has to be related to their addictive effects. Each Benzo has it's own profile. The major directions are hypnotic, sedative, anxiolytic, muscle relaxant and anti convulsive.
    Big Pharma doesn't make much money by Benzos, they are too cheap.
    They substituted the barbiturates which were even more addictive / dangerous.

    We tried to develop substitutes from plants. Kava Kava was really good until some severe interactions happened and it had to be withdrawn from market. (Those affected where alcoholics, though and results questionable) .
    We also synthetically modified the active substances (Kava Lactone) to get better risk / benefit behaviour. We sold the patents to another company.

    Another mild one is Lavender. It has no signs of withdrawal symptoms./ addiction. Kava Kava also not.

    I used Kava Kava right before exam. Could sleep well and got best results next day.

    Benzos I only take at a long flight. But only one and only there. I arrive in a much more relaxed state and not dizzy at all.

    It all depends on reasonable application.
    A doctor that does take the risk that one gets addicted by benzos is a crook.

    Addiction can only happen when they are out of relation to that what they should actually treat.
    And when taken anyway without anything that's there to be treated, well that's called drug abuse.
     
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  16. gorski

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    I never take Bezos! I find him appalling!!! :p :D :p
     
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    #577 Mr.X, Jun 11, 2020
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    Kava kava seems to be a remarkable natural remedy
    https://kava.com/articles/kava-kava-root/

    What a shameless, cynical, corrupt and criminal is this almighty Big Pharma aka Farmafia in Spanish language (Pharmafia? Sounds good lol)
     
  18. Mr.X

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    #578 Mr.X, Jun 12, 2020
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    Yes and then we are surrounded by too many of them we can tell when looking at the enormous amount of harmed people:
    http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php
     
  19. Yen

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    #579 Yen, Jun 12, 2020
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    The story behind Kava Kava is actually a sad story.

    The responsible authority that had withdrawn it from market 2002 had to admit later that the withdrawal process had significant errors and was actually void. Then there was a period of years where one could achieve a re-approval. 17 years later then they finally confirmed its hepatotoxic actions. (I still think their liver was already damaged due to alcoholism)..
    I can imagine that the benzo lobby had some influence on this to make the withdrawal of approval final.

    It was well-developed and on market for years. A good and natural substitute for benzos.
    It is culturally used and has a long tradition.
    The work on it was exciting, the Chemistry to modify those lactones interesting.

    The juridical 'final death' of Kava Kava isn't yet, but all our product suggestions have been denied by the marketing guys till today. (Bad reputation already)....

    Me, too. Flight is exceptional.
    Unless your psyche requires it due to illness it makes no sense to take them.
    I have chosen one that is muscle relaxant and mildly anxiolytic (not hypnotic at all). It makes it easier to fly 12 hours while you are sitting almost all the time and well I don't have aviophobia, but the anxiolytic component helps at heavy turbulences.

    Since I only travel one time a year it's a reasonable risk / benefit.
     
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  20. Mr.X

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    Roflmao, @gorski is making fun/joke of your misspelled word bezos (Jeff Bezos).