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  1. Yen

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    #621 Yen, Jul 5, 2020
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    The strange thing about COVID-19 is (at least it is strange for myself)..I wonder why it hits certain individuals really hard and others not at all.
    Vitamins are frequently mentioned...

    I think we have to differentiate.
    -Finding 'something' that helps a broad amount and therefore a general systemic approach AKA vaccine.
    -Finding 'something' that can perfectly support a certain individual after infection has taken place.

    Most of the trials have focus on the first. Some such as Remdesivir on the second. But already specific 'antiviral'.
    You won't find a study where scientists are trying if an additional vitamin administration can fight COVID-19 / can help. It would statistically fail due to the complexity of individual factors.

    The attempt to correlate vitamins (deficits) to severity of COVID-19 progression will never lead to a general successful approach to eliminate COVID-19.

    COVID-19 infection is a huge impact to your body. And anything that is considered as 'inflammatory' is playing a major role.
    'Inflammation' is a process that can turn out very individually. Consider a simple bee sting and how differently people can react on it. Would you think about vitamin levels there?

    There is only one way concerning vitamins. Individual 'experiment'.

    If you are convinced certain vitamins can help. Do it.
    Once you are infected you'll experience your own progress. Vitamins cannot prevent infection, but will have their influence on progress...more or less.

    The 'issue' always will be that you never can compare to a state without additional vitamin supply.

    In other words, additional vitamin supply is too much unspecific that it could be a general approach to eliminate the virus.
     
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    239 Experts With 1 Big Claim The Coronavirus Is Airborne

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    The New York Times•July 5, 2020

    AIRBORNE...DEATH FROM ABOVE... ??

    The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

    If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant. Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially distant settings. Health care workers may need N95 masks that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients.

    Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters. Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.

    The World Health Organization has long held that the coronavirus is spread primarily by large respiratory droplets that, once expelled by infected people in coughs and sneezes, fall quickly to the floor.


    But in an open letter to the WHO, 239 scientists in 32 countries have outlined the evidence showing that smaller particles can infect people and are calling for the agency to revise its recommendations. The researchers plan to publish their letter in a scientific journal.

    Even in its latest update on the coronavirus, released June 29, the WHO said airborne transmission of the virus is possible only after medical procedures that produce aerosols, or droplets smaller than 5 microns. (A micron is equal to 1 millionth of a meter.)

    Proper ventilation and N95 masks are of concern only in those circumstances, according to the WHO. Instead, its infection control guidance, before and during this pandemic, has heavily promoted the importance of handwashing as a primary prevention strategy, even though there is limited evidence for transmission of the virus from surfaces.

    (The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now says surfaces are likely to play only a minor role.)


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/...-1-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/239-experts-1-big-claim-151916602.html
     
  3. WindowsGeek

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    I also read that this morning this thing is now airborne that's a game changer were in serious trouble:(
     
  4. Yen

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    #624 Yen, Jul 7, 2020
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    Of course it is 'airborne'. I don't get what's 'news' on that.
    It spreads by droplet infection.
    A minimum distance of 1.5 meters (individual to individual) is one of the most effective countermeasure.

    There are no known cases of smear infection--->surfaces play no role and disinfection of those is of no use.

    The probability to get infected strongly increases.....

    -Duration where distance is too small is increasing
    -Air temperature is lower (<10 °C). Low air temperature means the water steam uptake is lower and the moisture of the exhaled air condenses earlier...this means there are more aerosols / droplets where the virus can accumulate /survive/spread...(winter time / cold storages)
    -rooms where is no or bad air exchange.
    -situations where people do shout / bawl... (parties in small rooms)..

    You have to think about at which conditions the creation of droplets is favored and at which they can last longer ('linger in the air')...this is physical common sense and no 'news'.

    But we are speaking about minutes, not days or even months like some headlines might suggest.
    Actually a second can be enough to get infected.

    But the probability to meet an infected individual and under which circumstances determines the own probability of getting infected.

    There is -for instance- no big risk when having a short travel by public transports.
    (There are no statistics indicating a problem at commuter public traffic).

    It's media with a new emotional headline...WOW airborne...:)
     
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  5. MS_User

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    REALLY!!!!:rolleyes:
     
  6. nodnar

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    famous last words of Jair Bolsonario ;)
     
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  8. Mr.X

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    Dedicated to those hiding in your own home behind a mask :giggle:

     
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  11. Yen

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    There is another factor which is not considered very much.
    People are thinking which factors can have an influence on the severity of COVID-19 and come to nutrition / vitamin supply at first place.....but one is even more rational...
    The blood type!
    Recently I have seen one study about which suggests that type A is of more of a risk than type zero. IMHO this subject should be more in focus of research.

    Yeah well, many scientists are saying masks are of no use. There is a big controversy.
    Distance and proper air exchange in small rooms are far more important. I am no big fan of masks either..
     
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  12. Bat.1

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    Homemade masks and the majority of commercial models just don't seem to have the ability to protect anyone. I'd expect something like the https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company...-P100-20-EA-Case/?N=5002385 3294776418&rt=rud with an activated carbo filter added would be needed ?

    I've had Bank tellers remove their "flimsy" mask while waiting on me because it was so uncomfortable to wear for so many hours.

    Fortunately I live in a Rural area and have a large yard. I rarely leave home more than twice a week and most of the time I'm going into the forest alone with my dogs or to ride my ATV

    My problem is the wife and 18 year old son who like to "Drag the roads" :mad:
     
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...china-and-kazakhstan-disagree-over-new-virus/

    Worse Than Covid-19? China And Kazakhstan Disagree Over ‘New’ Virus

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    China is panicking people the world over about viruses and here is another one: an unknown pneumonia sweeping Kazakhstan that was highlighted by the Chinese Embassy as a fair warning to their biggest Silk Road partner in Central Asia.

    The story broke on Thursday. And on Friday, Kazakhstan rejected China’s warning of a new bug circulating on its home turf.

    The South China Morning Post reported yesterday that the Chinese embassy was getting nervous about a spike in pneumonia cases over the last five weeks.

    “The death rate of this disease is much higher than the novel coronavirus. The country’s health departments are conducting comparative research into the pneumonia virus, but have yet to identify it,” the embassy said in a warning to Chinese citizens in the country.

    Kazakhstan public health officials said it was standard pneumonia.
     
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  14. Mr.X

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    #635 Mr.X, Jul 13, 2020
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    It's hilarious to see all the COVIDIOTS trying to deny reality. No wonder USA is the #1 in deaths all over the world. Seems like having information available 24/7 made people dumber, not smarter. Sad!
     
  17. Mr.X

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    Love when COVIDIOTS, according to @john808 , get organized like this German group:

    Außerparlamentarischen Corona Untersuchungsausschuss



    https://acu2020.org/

    At least some with balls to speak the truth.
     
  18. nodnar

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    :g: if they play scrabble, they could make a killing with that. miles of letters.. :D
     
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  19. Yen

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    #640 Yen, Jul 17, 2020
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    This is a dared trial! Is it real?:fear:
    chlorine dioxide is aggressive and hence unspecific. I am surprised they go for it...

    Anyway well....if somebody participates in the study (s)he should take care getting a huge amount of money for it.
    Lots of side effects to be expected. Highly experimental....

    I am not sure if it would be something for the public at all...It's a killer..I would never go for that study.
     
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