Coronavirus | Discussion

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Deleted member 1254778, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    13,101
    14,047
    340
    The approach to use ClO2 as anti-corona agent is similar to a disinfection approach.
    It is a radical per se (from the chemical point of view) and hence without any selectivity.

    Even antibiotics which have a greater selectivity destroy lots of useful bacteria when applied. It takes months to have the population of useful bacteria up to normal level again.
    (BTW: Did you know that the overall weight of bacteria and the like which live in your body is around 2 kilograms)? Scary LOL...
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  2. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    Yes I know. Disgusting for me Roflao.

    Science yields information our microbiota is several times in number compared to our own body cells but these are much bigger than bacteria. Amazing isn't it?

    Regards ClO2, the huge difference respect patentable pharmaceuticals is price. Being an orphan compound/"drug" (don't ask where I read that LOL), ClO2 can reach most people if govs really care.
     
  3. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    More like an angry bird. :laie:
     
  4. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

    Feb 13, 2011
    5,178
    4,819
    180
    CBS News: Study identifies six different "types" of COVID-19.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-symptoms-study-six-different-types/

    SciTechDaily: Scientists Uncover Evidence That a Level of Pre-Existing COVID-19 / SARS-CoV-2 Immunity Is Present in the General Population.
    https://scitechdaily.com/scientists...mmunity-is-present-in-the-general-population/

    Motley Fool: 5 Late-Stage COVID-19 Vaccines: Which Is Likely to Be the Biggest Winner?.
    https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/07/26/5-late-stage-covid-19-vaccines-which-is-likely-to.aspx

    OregonLive: Test positive for COVID-19? CDC changes coronavirus quarantine rules.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...cdc-changes-coronavirus-quarantine-rules.html

    Business Insider: Coronavirus vaccine booster follow-up shots may be needed over time - Business Insider.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-booster-follow-up-shots-needed-over-time-2020-7

    AFP Factcheck: False list of 'home treatments' for COVID-19 circulates online.
    https://factcheck.afp.com/false-list-home-treatments-covid-19-circulates-online

    WMTV – NBC15: FDA expands list of potentially contaminated hand sanitizers to 77.
    https://www.nbc15.com/2020/07/25/fda-expands-list-of-potentially-contaminated-hand-sanitizers-to-77/
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  5. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    #705 Mr.X, Jul 26, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2020
  6. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    Even better right? I mean from a medical pov, the gas could kill many, if not all, germs at once. Don't worry anymore about new mutated strains lol
     
  7. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

    Oct 15, 2011
    1,331
    1,064
    60
    i never called you a philosopher in my life, @gorski...sorry if, in my sleepiness, i hurt your feelings,or even worse; you winged thoughts.. :D
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  8. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    13,101
    14,047
    340
    #708 Yen, Jul 27, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2020
    "It's quite possible that the "best shot" of all won't be any of the current late-stage candidates."
    That's highly probable. My favorite is CureVac CVnCoV for now.

    But what's greatest is that there are 3 major approaches.
    The Chinese (Sinovac and Sinopharm) have inactivated virus.
    Oxford is vector virus and the others have mRNA.

    mRNA is latest tech and exciting, but still could fail due to 'unexpected problems'...but mRMA will be the most affordable vaccine and it would be cool it would be the right approach to have moderate prices and best availability...
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  9. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    #709 Mr.X, Jul 27, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2020
    Unbelievable, outrageous... This shouldn't have happened ever: the WHO took as a revelation of the sacred truth Imperial College's reports to engage us all in a sanitary battle without peer reviews from the rest of the scientific community (infectologists, biostatisticians).

    All these crazy measures, policies, rules, whatever. Madness...
     
  10. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

    Oct 21, 2009
    5,548
    1,476
    180
    Our struggle, X, lies in the opposite direction, with most people and/or countries - no or very few and inadequate rules and/or habits...

    You did, by default - who are the other philosophers here that you have implied, in your "labelling" of rather poor taste and questionable "methodology" of insults?!?
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  11. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

    Feb 13, 2011
    5,178
    4,819
    180
    Health Feedback: A trypsin-based oral spray reportedly deactivates SARS-CoV-2 in a liquid suspension but has not yet been tested in the mouth.
    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ion-but-has-not-yet-been-tested-in-the-mouth/

    Spectrum News NY1: New Yorkers Suffering from COVID-19 Complications For Months.
    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-borough...m-covid-19-complications-talk-through-effects

    Health Feedback: Sexual transmission of SARS-CoV-2 currently unconfirmed as studies produce conflicting evidence of its presence in the reproductive system.
    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...e-of-its-presence-in-the-reproductive-system/

    Yahoo Finance: Moderna CEO credits US support for Phase 3 vaccine push, says 'we have to make a profit'.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mode...pport-for-phase-3-vaccine-push-151225197.html

    SciTechDaily: Researchers Identify 21 Existing Drugs That Could Treat COVID-19.
    https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-identify-21-existing-drugs-that-could-treat-covid-19/
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  12. zen45

    zen45 MDL Addicted

    Feb 25, 2010
    947
    2,534
    30
    dont quite get the rules on where or when to were a mask ! i do wear a mask in public ! you can go into a bar or restaurant and stay for hours while not waring a mask and eat and drink , but you cant shop at Walmart and buy food and drink with out a mask even if your in there for 10 minutes , i guess comfort is more important then safety ? i know you cant eat or drink with a mask on but you wear a mask in public for safety , remember in a bar or a restaurant you are in a restricted air environment where nobody wear's a mask !
     
  13. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    13,101
    14,047
    340
    #713 Yen, Jul 28, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2020
    Many corona rules are unreasonable. That's why there are different rules about masks all over the world.
    Even Germany has different rules, depends on federal state....

    Those rules are unreasonable because they:

    -are dominated by fear and lack of knowledge
    -are based on 'better safe than sorry' but without any rational ideas.

    Wearing a mask has a psychological effect. It makes most people feeling 'safer'.
    It makes sense there where you cannot guarantee the distance of at least 1.5 meters.

    I mean why should one wear a mask when going out for a walk for instance? (I don't mean crowded places)...

    But the rule of distance is far more important.

    Instead of 'they' say where you have to wear a mask and where not. (For instance super markets and public transports). This is irrational arbitrariness.

    People should decide themselves where to wear a mask and where not.
    And the consideration should be: Can I preserve the distance where I go or not.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  14. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

    Feb 13, 2011
    5,178
    4,819
    180
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  15. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    Yes it makes me feel submissive, inferior, silenced, can't breathe properly and stupid. We didn't need them before as general population ever.
     
  16. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

    Feb 13, 2011
    5,178
    4,819
    180
    Depends on what mask you buy. It can look cool or scary too.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  17. Yen

    Yen Admin
    Staff Member

    May 6, 2007
    13,101
    14,047
    340
    #717 Yen, Jul 29, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2020
    IMHO what's really a shame is how people do stigmatize others wearing / not wearing a mask.

    -Firstly those who started wearing a mask were avoided just like they would have the pest.
    -Then later corona-nazis tried / are still trying to indoctrinate people who do not wear a mask. Like..."it's your fault that corona is spreading....or even you are a potential murderer not taking care by wearing a mask!"

    The media here also are starting to behave like corona nazis. ATM the infections per day is slightly increasing again.
    And they try to locate the guilty ones by showing young people on parties who do not wear a mask or people just coming home from a journey.

    The naming and shaming of the media makes me sick! Corona is real and there will be more 'victims' but the mutual denunciation of even the people reminds me of nazi or Stasi times!
    Such people are showing off their real face now!

    A weak ago I was refueling. When I paid I wore a mask as mandatory. I was the only customer.

    But I went out the wrong direction back to my car. (They have one way due to Corona to avoid that people are meeting each other.)
    Somebody insulted me saying:" Hey can't you read or are you blind!? Go back again and learn to use the right direction , this is one way!"

    I just said: "Shut up, asswipe! Who do you think you are telling me the rules and what I have to do?" :D
    It seems the Stasi genome is still alive in some Germans. They have to play police and to denounce others.o_O

    People do forget there is NO scientific evidence (yet) that a mask is protecting! That's the reason why people should be allowed to be mature enough to decide on their own!
    I don't need corona laws for that!

    Anyway they behave like idiots trying to make 'somebody' responsible for corona. (In that case by insulting me, because I went out the wrong direction.)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  18. Bat.1

    Bat.1 MDL Expert

    Oct 18, 2014
    1,238
    1,414
    60
    :g: Maybe try buying different kind of mask :dunno:

    [​IMG]
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  19. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    #719 Mr.X, Jul 29, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2020
    I think they don't know. Not that they forget.
    You can print this paper and hand over a copy to them. Tell them masks are a WHO's recommendation not a divine law written on stone.
     
  20. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

    Jul 14, 2013
    8,556
    15,642
    270
    Nitroglycerine.
    I won't take my meds for heart. Damn it can explode like a bomb. Lol

    Again, Paracelsus comes to my mind.