Coronavirus | Discussion

I cannot say 'plain yes' because it consists of very different people and therefore different opinions. But it's good to have alternative organizations. There is for instance "Ärzte für Aufklärung" "Physicians for elucidation"
A good voice is Sucharit Bhakdi for instance. I have ordered his book to get more facts. "Corona Fehlalarm?" There soon will be the English edition with an additional chapter about vaccination...

I myself keep out of any political controversy. I am purely interested in scientific stuff and facts.
While Germany did it right at the beginning (at least when considered what to know that time) ATM things go utterly wrong here.

The RKI (the institute that here is responsible for corona statistics) is still releasing uncorrected 'FALSE' statistics speaking of a 2nd wave coming.
A raise from 0.3% to 0.5% of corona positives is NO wave. It is a joke!
(They do NOT speak of a raise of people with Corona sickness!!)

And the so called exponential slope of infections did NEVER happen. It is reasoned because of the slope of testings we have had.

Corona is NO killer and being a virus positive is still equaled with being SICK by corona.
From that what we know now no corona policy is justified ATM. No single rule or law.

(We should not forget we are speaking about sending people to Quarantine / enforcing them to wear a mask, to do tests on arrival...and probably enforcing of vaccination. All them concerning the human freedom and all them enforced under pain of fines).

The so called herd immunity IS present already since only 20 percent of humans get sick by corona at all!

So how could be that? Those idiots from the RKI are still not differentiating virus-positive from Corona, the sickness.

Humans have already dealt with corona viruses and the human immune system has learned to fight.
Human T helper cells and T killer cells ALREADY know corona viruses.

The mystery (I also wondered) why many people do not get any symptoms at all or mild symptoms only has been resolved. Our immune system is prepared due to encounters with former corona viruses.
The statistics also say that actually no person below the age of 65 has actually to die by corona sickness.

Another shocking thing is the politics on vaccination. It is dominated by money greed and power.
Common medical safety standards are ignored. It's like arms race.

I would NEVER use one of the vaccine candidates!
The Russians are stupid. But it's their admission and approval authority, not the science behind it! They want to be first at any costs.

We need to gather long term results of any vaccine candidate before it can be released to the public at all!
Anything else is reckless.
And I am afraid that people will be forced to get vaccinated to have 'beaten' corona first (as if an end of an epidemic such as corona could be determined by vaccination).

The media and the politics here are still providing an image about corona which is simply not right.
And they suppress valid and reasonable objections made by people with best reputation.
People who demonstrate against it are declared as oddballs or stupid extremists.

The democratic values are in danger!
I never thought the corona crisis will turn this way here!

 

I will read his book (which is according to him written to 85% by his wife) and look if I can validate myself all sources named in the book. It belongs to my profession 'scientific literature research' I have experience and a good 'nose' when it comes 'cross-links of works and how they go together'....know the attributes of well done works, although Chemistry related only. But basic attributes of proper scientific works on virology are basic scientific attributes.

BTW: When I write "The statistics also say that actually no person below the age of 65 has actually to die by corona sickness."some people might be touched in an unpleasant way.

Statistics can be cruel and do NEVER consider individual destinies. Families who have lost members due to corona and were younger probably think : "How can he, he must be blind and ignorant."

But from recent statistics I have to assume that their amount is not significant. (Statisticians love this expression 'not significant'). That does not mean I have lost empathy for those families!

This simply means the natural mortality rate of people below 65 is not changed by corona, nothing more and nothing less.

Or in other words: The natural probability to die (for this group) is unaffected by corona virus.

 

Ah yes one more thing. Sorry for the double post (want to boost my post counter lol).

I renounce from those who say that this is planned by govt (conspiracy)! Or capitalists or 'them'. Or Bill Gates lol.

Concerning govt. it is IMHO the contrary. They have no clue and hence no plan. They only listen to the RKI (monopoly).
(The capitalists are making money out of the crisis for instance by shorts and are happy. The conspiracy believers probably have a personal (psychological) issue and use the crisis as a vent to protest or to spread right wing stuff or other extreme irrationalites....)

When the crisis started it was a fast-selling item. The motor is natural fear.....and yes it could have been a serious virus. And the media were catalysts reporting there where many people died and weak medical systems collapsed.
Now we have more facts and scientific works. Relations get clearer.
The govt now cannot admit that they have overdone things. Still dominated by 'fear'. "If we lower now the restrictions and do a mistake the rate is raising again" By this argument they justify the ongoing corona rules.
People have this fear as well and do comply.

But they forget what actual damage they really cause! People have lost their existences / jobs. People / families were trapped in their house (social and psychological issues and domestic abuse.) Family members were separated, people buried without proper funeral. Kids could not go to school. Students could not study.

Important medical surgeries have been delayed to have capacities. (Hmm nobody knows what will be the damage on their health because of the delay... )...

Entire branches cannot work (artists) even though they could already again.
This is one side of damage.

Companies are releasing their own rules and say what you have to do: Go work now, go into Quarantine now, do home office, take your vacation now, do shift work now to avoid 'encounters' of workers. Sorry we cannot pay more because of the crisis we have lost a lot of volume, if you do not follow our new corona rules, we apply legal rights against you or we fire you!
They still can do that because they have backing from the govt and their rules.


The other side of damage is the rules per-se. They violate human rights because the reasons to still restrict are void! The reason 'fear' to do things wrong cannot be enough to justify the corona laws anymore because now we have more knowledge about the virus.

We are speaking of restricting human freedom.
We should be happy that many people do not get sick by corona even though they are infected. We should be happy that the statistics are not right. They were just not related to the raising testing rates and hence are looking worse as they are.

I want to know facts about corona and how it really is. I don't want people who do not learn and politics which only relies on one institute that is unable to recognize that the corona VIRUS is no serious epidemic.

I want people who can put that corona fear aside and are thinking rationally. Evaluating facts and adjusting their way.

(Besides of that I rather prefer 'recommendations' instead of laws and regulations. If there should be laws they should be based on fundamental facts and scientific evidences AND adjusted in time and always be discussed in a large scientific forum).