Coronavirus | Discussion

Studies on the effectiveness of face masks
So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.

1. A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. (Source)
2. A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission. (Source)
3. A Covid-19 cross-country study by the University of East Anglia found that a mask requirement was of no benefit and could even increase the risk of infection. (Source)
4. An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). (Source)
5. An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. (Source)
6. An April 2020 Cochrane review (preprint) found that face masks in the general population or health care workers didn’t reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases. (Source)
7. An April 2020 review by the Norwich School of Medicine (preprint) found that “the evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks”, but supports the use of masks by “particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.” (Source)
8. A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus” due to their large pore size and generally poor fit. (Source)
9. A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use. (Source)
10. Additional aspects
    1. There is increasing evidence that the SARS-2 coronavirus is transmitted, at least in indoor settings, not only by droplets but also by smaller aerosols. However, due to their large pore size and poor fit, cloth masks cannot filter out aerosols (see video analysis below): over 90% of aerosols penetrate or bypass the mask and fill a medium-sized room within minutes.
    2. The WHO admitted to the BBC that its June 2020 mask policy update was due not to new evidence but “political lobbying”: “We had been told by various sources WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying. This point was put to WHO who did not deny.” (D. Cohen, BBC Medical Corresponent)
    3. Japan, despite its widespread use of face masks, experienced its most recent influenza epidemic with more than 5 million people falling ill just one year ago, in January and February 2019. However, unlike SARS-2, the influenza virus is transmitted by children, too.
    4. Many states that introduced mandatory face masks on public transport and in shops in spring or early summer, such as Hawaii, California, Argentina, Spain, France and Japan, still saw a strong increase in infections from July onwards, indicating a low effectiveness of mask policies.
    5. Austrian scientists found that the introduction, retraction and re-introduction of mandatory face masks in Austria had no influence at all on the infection rate.
    6. In the US state of Kansas, the 90 counties without mask mandates had lower coronavirus infection rates than the 15 counties with mask mandates. To hide this fact, the Kansas health department tried to manipulate the official statistics and data presentation.
    7. Contrary to common belief, studies in hospitals found that the wearing of a medical mask by surgeons during operations didn’t reduce post-operative bacterial wound infections in patients.
    8. In children, the risk of Covid-19 disease and transmission is very low – much lower than for influenza – and face masks for children are therefore, in general, not indicated.
    9. During the notorious 1918 influenza pandemic, the use of cloth face masks among the general population was widespread and in some places mandatory, but they made no difference.
    10. https://videos.files.wordpress.com/4egEyh2b/masks-aerosols-dr-ted-noel_dvd.mp4

 

We're in a section called serious discussions and this ' discussion ' is the oposite of serious .

VT threads arent allowed ......... and this is a VT thread .

>A wise old man speaking on a chair

1 - You announce that he's wise = you say that he's right and anyone not agreeing with him is wrong .

2 - Take the text ........ and a marker ....... and cross out all the blah blah and packaging .......... and mark the claims he makes ........ and the proofs he offers . After doing that theres very little left . He claims that corona is a part of a world wide hoax ......... a secret plan by governments ......... its no more dangerous that the flu ...... and he offers no proof .

3 - Who is the guy and whats his reputation ? = www.vernoncoleman.com/main.htm click the links on the left hand side and read them . The guy represents almost all of the psycho-esoteric bulls**t VT comunity spectrum . He denys climate change , is anti vacines , is anti muslim , pro brexit and microwaves are dangerous .

>The BBC, the EU and Auschwitz Vernon Coleman

The BBC doesn’t just obtain its money by thugging pensioners and other citizens. It doesn’t rely on profits from the sale of DVDs and other stuff. The BBC doesn’t like to mention this but it has received hundreds of millions of pounds from the EU. And since it is a fact that the EU was created with the help of Nazis with links to war criminals who made huge sums from Auschwitz, I don’t think it is much of a stretch to conclude that there is also a link between the BBC and the profits made with the help of the concentration camps at Auschwitz. So, it’s perhaps not surprising that the BBC seems to support the Labour party (widely accused of being anti-Semitic) – and opposes Brexit. Presumably, the Labour Party wants to gather in the massive Muslim vote. But the treacherous BBC just wants to support its paymasters at the EU. Copyright Vernon Coleman 2019

Doubters should read The Shocking History of the EU by Zina Cohen. It is available on Amazon as an eBook and a paperback and it contains all the facts you’ll need. If all Remainers read this book there would be no Remainers (except for Nazis).

4 - He says that ' corona ' is just another flu / no more dangerous that ' the ' flu .

A - Corona is not one virus its a family .

B - Same with ' the ' flu .

C - He therby forgets the spanish flu ........ with 20 million dead in a world with a lot less people and less international travel .......... what would that number of deaths be if we scaled it up to todays world population ? 100 million ? And thats not bad ? Dangerous ?

 

Agree with every single point you numbered. We're in the same side of a real scientific scrutiny and its outcomes.

However, I am a step beyond you, I'm in the realm of conspiracies. There's an ongoing conspiracy vs. humanity and there's evidence quite hard to clear it up to see. Because they are not natural phenomenon suchlike electricity which you need to study and over time you unveil its mysteries unlike a conspiracy made by an intelligence (human) trying to erase its tracks so we can't get evidence easily.

 

Yen ...... it seems to me your complaining about your inability to understand and deal with statistics ?

OR ...... what are you actualy saying ? Whats the point ? Wo willst du hinaus ? All i see is an avalanch of words .

 

Me in conspiranoid mode:

Corona sanitary measures > to create extreme fear of the death.

Lockdown > to destroy economies around the world.

Fear + poverty:
governments borrow money to IMF (immense debt) > vaccine (to save people's lives, allegedly)

 

I really have no other words for this but: who would you sacrifice on the altar of profit making?

Demonic Scummings (Bo-Jo's adviser) immediately said "tough titties" for old folk in retirement/old people's/care homes...

It was "nothing to be alarmed by", we carry on towards herd immunity, as if we are cattle and anyone in the way - good riddance. "Collateral damage" is yet another expression, just some big words, behind which so many little lives can just "elegantly" vanish into thin air...

So, please, tell me: how do you stand with this little problem?!? Directly, no BS! Lock-downs were everywhere (except Sweden and even their public health policy architects said it should have been done differently, that they could have saved many lives) and they were effective, as we can all see, given the fact that numbers are again on the rise and sharply so, in some places rather sharply, so...WTH???

Am I the only one to call a glaringly obvious, exhibitionist emperor - naked?

 

This is torture

 

Amazing conference

 

Closing down the Global Economy as a means to combating the Virus. That's what they want us to believe. If the public had been informed that Covid-19 is “similar to Influenza”, the fear campaign would have fallen flat...
https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-...fear-campaign-has-no-scientific-basis/5722566

 

Found data for 1918 Spanish Flu!
Guys, this is all a fake about millions who died.
Take the newspapers from the 1918 archives, won't you see a lot of corpses there?
All media outlets rely on only one newspaper, in which there was a note about millions of dead!
It was the yellow press!
In 1920, the Spanish flu in Brazil fell ill with 250 thousand deaths of 9 people.
Read the old press (newspapers), you will simply be surprised how you are all deceived and held for Lakhov (idiots)
Here's the fun part in this situation.
You write to people, give links to evidence about Covid19, that this is all hyped up and is not a reality, that masks are just business and have nothing to do with health!
And no one cares about it?
But if some nonsense appears on Twitter or Telegram (let's go out, someone was beaten or killed), people flee and massive demonstrations gather. Moreover, without even understanding the situation, who is right and who is wrong - people do not care, the main thing is that there is some kind of movement!
Conclusion 80% of people is a complete illiterate s**t !!!

Paradox?

 

Facts, as opposed to tons of BS:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=47574f7a6e454dc6a42c5f6912ed7076

 

tons of bs is right...
one wonders how all those self-appointed experts and journalists manage to make a living...

 

@Evil idiots

>Me in conspiranoid mode: Corona sanitary measures > to create extreme fear of the death. Lockdown > to destroy economies around the world. Fear + poverty: governments borrow money to IMF (immense debt) > vaccine (to save people's lives, allegedly)

>Closing down the Global Economy as a means to combating the Virus. That's what they want us to believe. If the public had been informed that Covid-19 is “similar to Influenza”, the fear campaign would have fallen flat...

= All the governments and the press in the world are involved in an international conspiracy .

>Found data for 1918 Spanish Flu!

You say the whole incident was a press fake and you use the press to ' prove ' it = The medical , historical and political records of the world are all fakes ?

>tons of bs is right... one wonders how all those self-appointed experts and journalists manage to make a living...

You complain about yourself ?

 

well, lets have a look at the facts, for a change..
[ this a ’serious discussion’, after all..]
fact is; that spanish flue left whole populations
of villages very dead..and there are cold and
hard gravestones to prove it. so;not a hoax at all.

but now lets take a look at our good, well-intending
authorities, and their methods.allow me to illustrate
those from a story from the news; the facts;
-a girl gets a positive result from some covid test in northern
spain.
-instead of locking herself up in a house, like a good girl
should, she goes surfing.outside, in the surf. a person
would have to get very intimate with her to manage to
catch even a cold from her. [ not very practical while
she is on a surfboard between wind and water.]
-some well-intending person, [a jealous hubby?] notifies
the equally well-intending authorities. those send
well-intending cops to the beach in well-intended
protective clothing [ they would be very irresponsible
authoroties indeed if they let their employees run the slightest
risk,of course..]
-those cops handcuff her, and drag her out of the
water. so now she is under arrest and accused of
’grave disobedience’.

there is a moral to this kinky story; our good, well-intending
authorities are just as brainless as those experts and journalists.
q.e.d.
[and complaining?? who?? me?? just an old innocent grey walrus,lol.]

 

Thank you Yen . The things that concern me are ...... ignorant people spreading and cultivating confusion ....... and .......... Untill we have reliable statistics ....... and statistical comparisons and analysis we're just going round in circles ......... wich are being exploited by mentaly ill people , evil people , stupid people and vested interests .

@ Thread

A month ago today one of my best friends Rob died . He was taken into a british national death service hospital on friday , given oxygen and died the following tuesday . The first diagnosis was pneumonia . We're waiting for the results of the autopsy . He was burnt last tuesday .

He wasnt allowed any visitors in hospital . He died alone . The typical little british orwellian dickensian dads army chaos prevented me and some of his kids and grand kids from going to the funeral . Theres nowhere to get reliable travel info and the train prices have gone up 50 - 100 % . Only 30 people were allowed to go to the funeral .

To be treated as if we are expendable toxic waste and burnt . To be ill ........ and be rejected by a society ....... and be put into ' quarantene ' ......... = to be dehumanised .......... to be put in a sealed room to die .

The british national health service . The pride of the british people . The only part of the government that the british people trust . That has been hollowed out by 40 years of austerity for the people that cant aford it and is now only an alibi health service wich manages deaths .

And the rich get buryed and the poor get burnt ......... like the industrial waste that they are .

 

very sad to lose a friend in this way. condolences.

 

@ At thread ---- >

Imagine ...... YOU ...... DIEING ...... NOW ...... sudenly ...... out of the blue ...... you wake up in the morning , cough and feel ill , weak and cant breath properly ........ the next day an abulance comes ....... and its like being taken prisoner ...... other people take control of your life and make decisions for you ....... you loose all privacy and dignity ...... other people ...... strangers ...... wash you and wipe your arse for you ......... your not god in your own paradise game any more posting calous crap on a forum for ' fun' ......... you experience REAL REALITY .......... that you cant change or get away from ........ your weak ...... and frightened ........ and helpless ...... and ALONE ......fighting for breath ...... like drowning for days ....... and people you dont know rushing round treating you like a piece of steak in a butchers window .

And some s**t tells you and your family ...... its all a hoax ...... a conspiracy ......... = his ' logic ' is ....... that because he doesnt understand there is nothing to understand ....... and the people that say that they understand are realy trying to trick him ...... and he shows you absolutely sick videos ........ and the ramblings of confused people . And enjoys it . And celebrates himself .

 

That is one helluva sad story to tell.... One can't but feel sadness and emptiness when confronted with something like that!

And then anger as well! It brings legitimate Qs to the fore: who deliberates and how, under which conditions etc.

But that is a separate set of issues - yes, they are connected but to talk through any of them properly one has to be able to not mix them all into the same bowl at once because one gets a jumble of feelings and all sorts included...

Must go get my kids from school - and hope we all don't catch it somehow...