Directly real war - if you are not like everyone else, you are an enemy! As a distributor of information about the real situation with the virus - they will be sent to prison
"'herd immunity' is on its way to be reached either way depending on measures." @Yen, how many lives or bad health problems will that cost???!!!???
I don't know. What I have posted there is a realisation without comment how it will be. As long as we don't have a vaccine people get infected and create an immunity after. This happens every second. They later are listed as recovered and become part as somebody who belongs then to the 'herd'. ATM this is the only way of recovery. When we can vaccinate then, we can 'make' people belonging to the 'herd' by vaccination. Only THEN we can save lives. Until we have it we can only protect those 'risk groups' and moderate the spreading. I think Sweden does the same anyway especially when have learned from former mistakes. You cannot dare to expose this group to the virus and let them get infected. Sweden also has here to wait for vaccination. I cannot believe that they would sacrifice their old citizens in order to get natural herd immunity there as well. To vaccinate risk groups and medical professionals makes sense. If we get a safe and good vaccine soon, then yes Sweden's way would turn out to be false. I agree. It will take years until we finally can say how their way really turned out compared to others.
What about being realistic ? Basic philosophy . Where are we? Why are we in this position ? ...... and ...... What can we do about it ? The past limits the choices of the future . A leads to B leads to C leads to ---- > What ? We're being held under controll . Allthough its been reported that the death rate hasnt risen ? Is that true ? The measures and statistics seem to be shambolic . Different countrys different measures and different statistics . And actionsim = Poly-trickers doing things to apear to be in controll . We've been primed for a second wave that hasnt happened ...... and now we're being primed for a BAD winter with flu on top . IF it does happen what are we going to do ? ........... and if it doesnt happen what are we going to do ? ...... and ...... In both case what will our future look like ? A is corona ....... B are the measures being forced ....... whats C ? ........ and D ? Where does / could this path lead ?
@ Nobel prizes ...... If i understand ? ......... they're saying that covid would cause less harm to the world population if we wiped out all chronic diseases and abolish poverty ?
diseases evolve like man evolves, and we will never abolish poverty , we will always have the rich and the poor ! the only thing we can improve on is how we treat each other !
Right, with such an attitude this would not have been possible - as opposed to USofA, UK, Brazil etc. etc. Redfish "On October 2nd, 2020, Vietnam reported 30 days without community infections of COVID. From a total of 1095 infections in the 95 million people country, 1018 have recovered. But how did they do it?" By denial, like Trump, Bolsonaro and so on? BoJo nearly died of it.... But OK...
That's just one thing that is utterly wrong at public health politics. Spreading fear...fear has never been a good advisor... Also arbitrariness at determination of high risk areas (for instance more than 35 out of 100000 in a week). Public health politics is a mess. Nothing is based on evidence, nothing is validated. No standardizations no international consensus / common idea.... Number of positives are still equalized to number of sick people. Anything (new rules) enforced by 'edict'. And they are nowhere related to the increase of tests, for instance: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-cases-in-england-arent-rising-heres-why/ It appears like it's made from a scared and stubborn kid that still believes corona can be controlled in a way we can save anybody and that one day corona will be over (by vaccination). Decisions are influenced by pointless assumptions which are always negative. There is no reasonable approach about how to deal with it in the next years... It seems 'they' are always waiting for something.....hypnotized by the next day's numbers of infections which do nothing say at all about the number of sick people. Public health politics on corona needs a change in strategy, urgently....they still do not get that corona will be with us the next years.... Never saw such a dilettantism at health politics... Edit: Streeck a reasonable voice on situation Germany: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesells...-des-coronavirus-in-deutschland-16988417.html "This virus cannot be driven out of humans, we have to start to find a way to live with it."
Awww come on you guy's surly you are not that stupid. the government's and politician's and the WHO are pulling the fast one on the public .... the figure's coming from these people are just not adding up coming from the sources of government and academic figure's the amount of money being spent and to whom is concerning indeed and paying the public. normally don't turn out for all in the end economic collapse dose bring war. If they where that concerned they would have closed the boarders and have check's at the airport's and have the two week quarantine the first sign in Wuhan. but they did not so I hold the Government's and WHO Liable in all account's. the problem in this day and age and the said parties know this is population growth ... they know that they cannot just start a war because of the way thing's are now with social media and what not so they have to do it a different way and i think this is what has happend ... if the economy collapses in ether country then they have the excuse to start a war... DONT BE BLIND. 77snake in the MDL i see you !
Fear is natural - helps you survive, @Yen.... Is there something to fear re. Corona-19? Heh. Which planet does one live on when asking such Qs?
10% of World May Have Had COVID-19 as Countries Around the World Report Record Cases and Deaths OCT 06, 2020 In international news, the World Health Organization now says as much as 10% of the world’s population may have had COVID-19 — a far higher number than previously thought. India has become the third country to pass 100,000 reported COVID-19 deaths, after the U.S. and Brazil. Meanwhile, in Iran, the government reported 235 deaths Monday — the highest daily toll since the start of the pandemic. Much of Tehran has been shut down again, and hospitals are at capacity. A number of European countries have announced new records in daily cases in recent days as Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Spain have all imposed or announced stricter containment measures. NYT: WH Officials Blocking FDA from Delaying Approval of Vaccine to Make Sure It’s Safe OCT 06, 2020 The New York Times is reporting top White House officials are blocking new Food and Drug Administration guidelines that would likely delay the approval of any coronavirus vaccine until after November 3. The FDA wants to monitor the health of trial volunteers for two months to make sure there are no long-term side effects, but the White House opposes the plan. In other medical news, the CDC has acknowledged COVID-19 can be spread by airborne transmission in indoor settings. The CDC had made a similar statement in September but then removed the information from its website.
Fear as natural instinct as re-action on a real present danger yes... (flight instinct etc) Fear can become pathological as you know....especially fear which is thought and related to a fixed idea of something.... At this case fear does NOT help you to survive (phobias). What helps are reasonable measures and the discipline to apply them....
There is no such thing as a pathological fear re. C-19. If anything, it is the opposite, given the evidence all around us, cases going up and up and so are deaths, long Covid, lives of even young fit people wrecked and so on... Perhaps they should have had that serious fear which could have saved their lives, over a million them worldwide and countless others who have not died but their lives are ruined! But some scientists are deffo getting into dangerous waters, as some debaters on the UK talk radio (even a right wing leaning host on LBC) are starting to openly use the word "eugenics", as some countries are deciding to get rid of the old and vulnerable, so that the rest can go on to life as before, reflecting on "the letter signed by 4000 scientists": "This is a dangerous falsehood. This is a very narrow sample of ‘top scientists’ and certainly not representative of the world." Progressive thinkers are incensed by demands that Public Health Policy reflect such backward ideas....
Of course it is and it is prevailing. And this fear has negative effects on psychological condition and immune system. When dealing with a real infection this fear is contra productive per se. This fear is mostly reasoned by lack of knowledge, contradictory statements and media which even addresses fear by distorting (i.e. pushing raising numbers, being rather silent at decreasing numbers).... Have you ever talked to old people which have fear about corona? They do suffer from it and this fear is pathological and of no benefit at all! Besides of that there are individuals who have developed OCD already! Fear is not a precondition to do the right thing against COVID-19. It is pathological as soon as one is not able to decrease and / or to overcome it on one's own. It comes with impairments in life. It is inappropriate related to real life situation. The negative psychological impact of the pandemic on humankind is immense! It appears as fear....