@ Fear We ' live ' in a world ' controled ' and driven by fear ........ For example ....... ju ju priests with their ---- > bongo died to save me from your sinns and if you dont do what i sa......Ooooops !!!! If you dont do what GOD says ......... you'll go to HELL !!!! ....... your a SINNER !!! .........you wont go to heaven !!! ....... you'lll be reborn as a slug !!! ..... you wont get the 37 virgins !!!!! ........ santa wont bring you any presents !!!! ...... and GOD says i can / must kill you and steal your land !!! Its the jews !!! ........ Illuminati !!! ....... Reptilians !!! ....... Gypsys !!! ...... Niggers !!! ....... The chinese !!! ...... Nazis !!!! ....... Homosexuals !!! ....... The russians !!! ...... Moslems !!!! ....... Terrorists !!!
@Yen: tell it to them... Today there are 20,000 empty chairs on the National Mall outside the White House to visualize less than 10% of the over 200,000 dead in the United States from COVID-19.
The only guilty ones of this covid-19 crisis are the psychopaths ruling in the dark. I truly hope someone "do" something to them...
I cannot talk to the ones which have died already. What should I have said: If you had locked in yourself you would be still alive? If you had 'enough' fear about COVID-19 you would be still alive? But I can say that COVID-19 will be with us many months if not years and we have to start to find a way to live with it. The politics on corona concerning Trump ermm the politics of Trump generally is no point of a disagreement concerning categorisation. I don't have a different opinion here than you. I am actually talking about daily dealings with the pandemic. I also have worked out a corona plan that I can do my yearly internship with young people in the lab. I take the pandemic seriously and with responsibility. It is the daily irrationality that is due to unreasonable fear.....one example: A teacher (wife of a workmate) has been sent to quarantine. She's presented a negative PCR test. Anyway she has to stay at home. I mean why do I claim for a negative tests and do not take it for granted then? This has absolutely nothing to do with :"Better safe than sorry..." it is plain BS. And there are many more little own rules which are applied...rules which cannot be from a sane mind. Rules which cannot work a long period of time. But we have to get such! People who still think if we do anything to restrict our life we will have most of people who are surviving haven't got that COVID-19 is a long time impact! Human beings are social beings and interactions are natural. We have to find a way to get both in balance.
Now the other one replies because it cannot lose the discussion. It has to win. At all cost. Damn stop it. Looking who has the longer intellectual penis. Damn!
I'm sorry but with these arguments they will not lead to anything within such an important subject I believe that we must be more serious before publishing
It's not a game. It's daily life matters and I am confronted with those rules every day here..almost every day a new hair-raising 'decision'....I post to vent because it's really time to do something... BTW: Some news---- Preexisting immune response! https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6512/89 https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563 My 'gut feeling' is that we have 'enough' basic immunity and natural herd immunity will be reached first (before vaccination)-.... let's see...
Right, @Yen has gone to war with facts.... as a scientists... Swell.... whatever next? https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/health/flu-covid-19-deaths-comparison-trnd/index.html ‘More people have died from Covid-19 than in the past 5 flu seasons combined. And coronavirus is much more contagious’ October 06, 2020.
Seriously ? ....... CNN anti trump blah blah as relevant facts ? ...... in a ' fact ' war ? @ Yen ...... That doesnt realy get anywhere but i think its a sensible direction to go because if theres any substance to it it could help to explain why whats been called a very contageous and deadly disease ...... hasnt filled the streets with piles of dead bodys. @ Thread = Basicly ....... humanity has already been in contact with different corona virii and some people have a certain degree of imunity / an imune response to it , and / or a smaller chance of getting it , and / or of haveing bad symptoms and / or of dieing = We already have a degree of heard imunity and what we're seeing is the people without it haveing problems ...... and thats why the streets arent full of bodys ?
‘More people have died from Covid-19 than in the past 5 flu seasons combined" These aren't facts...nobody knows the total rate of infection! Trying to post absolutes always loses 'relations'...frequently used at bad journalism. "And coronavirus is much more contagious’" If this is true it even more disqualifies first 'fact'. And the comparison of R (flu to COVID-19)....only somebody who has no clue at all would try to compare those out of the wild. R is a value that represents a current situation of a pandemic. CNN has disqualified itself by that author. You won't find a serious scientific magazine who'd try make such an unprofessional comparison of contagion by relation to R. The author lacks of basics. To say something about contagion at all you need to know how many percent of all people have been infected already! And even the author mentioned that most infections happened / happens without any symptoms. A higher rate of contagion (unknown cases included) also correlates to a lesser fatality rate. (BTW: Germany had ~23000 deaths flu 17/18 and not even 10000 at COVID-19.)
In what language I have to repeat myself again? I already told you: "Coronavictims" are, most of them not all, product of this conspiracy. The death toll is enlarged by the health institutions, public and private. Already told about the mechanism. I have conversations via WhatsApp with actual doctors not alligned with this plandemic. All the numbers you ever read have their dose of steroids, lol.
>To say something about contagion at all you need to know how many percent of all people have been infected already! We're bombarded with test results that are suposed to indicate how contageous and dangerous corona is = People are assuming that found infections and positive test results come from infections / contact in the last few months ........... maybe they / some of them were there before and are not due to this outbreak ?
"More people have died from Covid-19 than in the past 5 flu seasons combined" Many people died past 5 seasons but they were not all associated to flu. Here at COVID-19 anybody who's tested positive post mortem is counted! They have died by OR with COVID-19! You never will find such counting at a flu! There's never been such a testing rate at any other 'wave'.. The PCR threshold is very low. You already get positive when small traces of virus RNA has been detected. It says nothing about sickness and nothing about if you are virulent (contagious )...
Again: at war with facts, just like Trump: C-19 is way deadlier than flu and way more infectious... In the UK, we just had the numbers, more than 3 times more deadly.... But OK....
@Yen, do you remember what prof. Djikic said already in April, if not earlier? I wrote about it here, re. Remdesivir and C-19: "„Radi se o nukleotidnom analogu koji je inhibitor RNK polimeraze, znači one koje replicifira genom virusa. Taj lijek se zove remdesivir. On je pokazao dosta dobre rezultate kod ljudi opet u kasnijoj fazi. Dosta njih je imalo blaže simptome i preživjelo je. Prema tome, to je dobar lijek, napravljen je u ozbiljnoj kliničkoj studiji, i za sad daje nadu da ćemo u tim kasnijim fazama moći spasiti ljude od smrti, ali ne i od infekcije i prenošenja virusa u populaciji,“ precizira Đikić." How about this: "Tim Spector, Professor of Genetic Epidemiology at King’s College London, said little attention was paid to the infected population who were not sick enough to go to hospital during the early days of the crisis - which was 99 per cent of cases. He said it turned out that Covid-19 was not just a bad flu, but in many people it behaved more like an autoimmune disease, affecting multiple systems in the body. Prof Spector said an app introduced by King’s College London and the health-science company ZOE received data from more than four million people." You gonna quarrel with these facts, as well?
Btw, we knew about these long Covid sufferers months back: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-53368768 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...to-recover-from-covid-19-coronavirus-symptoms Serious long term damage: https://ktvz.com/news/national-worl...fter-covid-19-reflects-on-long-term-recovery/ Are these put up for no reason? Asthma UK and the British Lung Foundation have launched a post-COVID HUB, helpline and WhatsApp service to support people struggling with breathing difficulties after Covid. The NHS has launched an online resource called ‘Your Covid Recovery’ to help you understand and manage prolonged symptoms. The Long Covid Support Group on Facebook has over 20,000 members who share regular updates on their recovery as well as support. So, are these "insignificant" in your mind?
They are real. I do not ignore them. To categorize COVID-19 I probably have just another way. (call it optimistic, 'careless' or whatever, but I can reason it!) -The most important number is the mortality rate. The mortality rate (easily to calculate by oneself from data obtained from the corona dashboards) is here 0.1-0.2% (means 2 out of 1000). This is similar to flu. When you read the statement of the RKI they say it is 4.5%. I one day made the efforts and calculated the expected deaths of one week using 4.5% as rate. They are missing until today! (4.5% is probably a value from the very beginning where test rates were still low). -The right definition of immunity! To be immune does not mean you cannot get infected. To be immune means you cannot get sick. (For instance if you are vaccinated against flu, you still get infected, but not sick. This means you are immune). This rate is 70-85% depending on sources. This means: The probability to get sick when infected is around 20% and 2 out of 1000 could die. Anything else I think about when an infection should happen. (severe progresses, long time effects)....when I should get sick with severe progress I think different for sure! (I know the feeling..Epstein-Barr). But why should I have headaches about now about something I cannot know if it happens at all (severge progress, long term effects)? (When I read a patient information leaflet I inform myself about possible side effects, but I don't care about until they really appear OR the risk/benefit ratio is for me personally that bad that I do not take that meds at all). This is how I assess COVID-19 for myself and for now. I keep myself updated, though. But there is also responsibility in social / family life. (Anything that does not affect me alone as person). I apply all measures which are rules and I take special care of my dad when I visit him. I work out corona plans at work......I respect others idea about COVID-19. (And I offer criticism ..i.e. test sensitivity....) After all it is just me... my personal categorisation.