Right.... Flu and C-19... Let's see... Even FB doesn't allow that BS any more, you know... Even to Trump! But OK... You have fun, @Yen... Facebook removes Trump post falsely saying flu is more lethal than Covid
haha someone remembers at the beginning of the pandemic what "our friend DT" said so now he must be very happy with his bulls**t ...
Not really. TBH my dad's health condition worries me more... I am not silly. I watch news especially about flu / COVID-19 comparisons. I have just read an article of Streeck saying it is 4 times more serious....and his arguments are there...as being said I keep myself updated and COVID-19 is new...and maybe the current data just lets it appear as serious as (to me)...I stay curious. You cannot 'just' remove a comparison only because it seems to violate a subjective rule of expression....(the one who has made the decision to remove it wants to appear to know more than one can actually know)... Many scientists think COVID-19 is more dangerous....I got that....and do always 're-think'... BTW: You've tried to compare me with Trump. Contrary to him (whatever responsibility he has concerning the individual alone) I do care about my social / family life. He's responsible for even an entire nation and does equalize his ideas (about own impact) with his idea of impact on his citizens. I do not want to be the one who has infected my dad with COVID-19 and I am aware of what I am doing that it hopefully never happens.
No, perhaps you are not silly individually - except when it comes to Public Health Policy. Then, your stance is dangerous! Numbers are going through the roof in oh so many parts of the world, in fact they are worse than when we had a lockdown almost everywhere - and you would just go back to things as they were before C-19... Seriously? You do not at least "feel" like there's anything wrong there, knowing that many people suffer C-19 as an autoimmune illness, that is heavy, serious, debilitating and that it does kill?!? Please, stop petting yourself on the back. There is no ground for it.
Brigid Lowe Retweeted Dr Gabriel Scally @GabrielScally The President of the UK's Academy of Medical Scientists, Professor Sir Robert Lechler, has issued a statement demolishing the US sponsored Great Barrington manifesto on 'herd immunity' and infecting the mass of the UK population with #COVID19 https://no_short_urls_allowed/36NzCUb 1/4 https://acmedsci.ac.uk/more/news/navigating-covid-19-through-the-volume-of-competing-voices Navigating COVID-19 through the volume of competing voices Friday 9th October 2020 Our President, Professor Sir Robert Lechler PMedSci, gives his views on the reality behind the perceived ‘scientific divide’ and the increasing volume of the ‘libertarian expert’. Earlier this week [Tuesday 6 October] a group of scientists published an open letter, the Great Barrington Declaration, arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’ of the vulnerable, while allowing for the rest of the population to operate as normal. None of us want to let the virus rule our lives, and I am acutely aware of the detrimental impacts that COVID-19 restrictions have on the nation’s mental health and economy, but this letter does not acknowledge that managing the virus is a near-impossible balancing act. It has gained a worrying amount of prominence and I am concerned about the public perception of what this document calls for. Below I address some of the main ideas put forward in the Declaration, and why they are untenable. The idea of selective protection of the elderly and vulnerable is unethical and simply not possible as there is no way to sustainably protect such a large group of people without imposing huge risks to their mental and physical health. Even if this were an option, and we were to shield the vulnerable from infection while letting the virus run through the rest of the population, we must remember that this virus is in no way benign for the young and fit. Yes, the elderly are significantly more likely to get seriously ill from the virus, but we have seen grave impacts across all age groups. We are also seeing an increase in cases of Long Covid, where people are suffering from persistent and enduring symptoms for months after COVID-19 infection, and we just don’t understand enough about this at the moment to even consider ‘Focused Protection’. On herd immunity, the current estimate of people who have been infected by the virus in the UK is around 8%. To get to herd immunity we would need around 70% of the population to have been infected with the virus. Not only are we a huge way off this but we now know that immunity to COVID-19 decreases over time, and that people can be re-infected with the virus. Our recent report on preparing for a challenging winter* highlighted the increased risk of coronavirus spreading when the weather is colder and people will be spending more time inside, which is likely to favour transmission of the virus. We are not far into autumn and we are already seeing a sharp increase in COVID-19 hospital admissions. When hospital beds and NHS time is taken over by care for COVID-19 patients, where do the heart attacks and cancer screenings go? We cannot stop the care for cancer, cardiac and all other patients, so we must reduce the number of COVID-19 cases to ease pressure on hospitals and allow vital routine care to continue as needed. Earlier this year when the Academy connected with older people and those who were asked to shield due to medical conditions, we heard how the pandemic had taken away their control of their lives, their care and their futures. For those in vulnerable groups the prospect of going outside, near people who may not abide by social distancing rules, was a major source of concern. Some wondered whether they might ever take public transport or visit town centres again. We cannot lock entire sectors of society away because others want to live their lives ‘as normal’. Neither should we expect younger or healthier people in the population to take a hit for herd immunity, especially when there is so much we are still to discover about the long term effects of COVID-19. We should not be making plans or decisions on how to control its spread behind closed doors in wood-panelled rooms. We must engage with people in the communities most affected to make sure that no decision about them is taken without their input. With COVID-19 being the biggest issue our society faces, it is easy for advice from credible experts to become politicised. Scientists bear a strong responsibility here and must work to ensure the public not only have access to the latest reliable evidence, but have been involved in how that evidence was produced. This is particularly true if the views they are sharing could be used to undermine public health measures. Extraordinary claims about COVID-19 measures should only be made with solid evidence and a large amount of certainty. ================================================================ Focus on facts (numbers going up and up - just the other day it was 1000, yesterday it was over 17.000 cases a day), then "unethical", then "libertarian" (as in an 'ideology' behind this Human fiasco)...
Then I want to die free. Not a virus is going to change my mind. I'm not going to be submitted to this draconian measures. We have a cheap cure and most people is not listening. f**k this world. Is time to face are own demise. We deserve it. May God kill me and my family if we have to follow and submit to these psychopaths anymore.
JFC . What a load of crap . Again . He argues against a rerport . Wich sugests / claims that we dont have enough resources to protect everyone all the time so we have to use the means at hand to try to use the capacity that we have sensibly . That means for instance that we concentrate on the weakest and on areas where infections are more = HE is argueing against what we already have = A society divided into essential and non essential workers ........ and measures that protect them and the infrastructure . He doesnt adress the fact that the main difficulty is underfunding and undercapacity of the NHS and care community . > Even if this were an option, and we were to shield the vulnerable from infection while letting the virus run through the rest of the population, >Neither should we expect younger or healthier people in the population to take a hit for herd immunity, WTF !!! What an idiotic person . Turn that around ....... and look at the wording . Thats emotional nicht objective rhetoric . He points at a ' choice ' he ' sees ' = Either protect the vunerable with the limited means available ...... a la hipocratisch oath ......... or allow the virus to run rampage through our society . As if it is a straight black and white decision ........ either / or ........ and that people who want to protect the vunerable are sabotaging the health system and the future of young people . >On herd immunity, the current estimate of people who have been infected by the virus in the UK is around 8%. To get to herd immunity we would need around 70% of the population to have been infected with the virus. 8 % estimate !!! WTF . Estimates ? We need facts . Proof and not estimates used as ' proof ' in a debate . Untill we know how many people have had ' IT ' and how many have died from it we're just blundering around in the dark ........ being provoked and driven by people who are not neutral and objective . Hes talking about herd imunity as an absolute . We have it or we dont . We already know that we're talking about a group of virii ........ and that the dangerous one / s have already mutated ........ and that a lot of people seem to have varying degrees of imunity to members of that family because of past infections with members of that virii family = we already have a certain degree of herd imunity in a lot of people ...... and thats why its its effecting some people and groups more than others ........ and the streets arent full of bodys . >Not only are we a huge way off this but we now know that immunity to COVID-19 decreases over time, and that people can be re-infected with the virus. AGAIN ........ hes talking about a family of virii but talking about it as if its one virus ........ and claims that imunity decreases over time . Then he claims that people can get the same virus twice . Up untill now i havent seen any evidence of that . What i've seen is that some people have had members of that family but no evidence that it was the same member of that family more than once = a vacine would have to be given every two or three years ........ and it would have to cover more than one strain ......... as there are more than one strain . >We are not far into autumn and we are already seeing a sharp increase in COVID-19 hospital admissions. LOL . At least two obvious reasons why that could be ........ the weather ...... or the fact that the longer corona has been going on in little britain the less people wear masks and the more people ignore social distancing ......... remeber all the outdoor partys and beaches packed full of tourists from all around the country ........ is the current rise in cases due to that ? >We cannot stop the care for cancer, cardiac and all other patients, so we must reduce the number of COVID-19 cases to ease pressure on hospitals and allow vital routine care to continue as needed. No . We must have a health service with trhe capacity to deal with forseeable situations like this . The f**kin egyptians painfully learnt that a society has to have suplys for possible emergencys and had grain stores for two or three years . That capacity and those stores are not there in little britain because the NHS has been plundered by one government after another wether ' left ' or ' right ' . >With COVID-19 being the biggest issue our society faces @ Objectivity and not seeing past the end of ones nose . Hes obviously not heard about the climate catastrophy , a dieing biosphere and the mass death of species . ALL caused and made worse by the real problem .......... ignorance and greed . To top that ........ on the one side hes saying we shouldnt protect the weak and vunerable at what he claims is at the cost of the younger generation ........ and on the other side hes saying we havent got the resources and capacity to protect the whole population ........ so WTF does he want ? If we havent got the capacity we have to ration ........ but ........ he says we shouldnt do that ........ and what he says is that we have to treat some people better than others ? A two class health system . Then he finaly comes to something not in the direction of eugenics = We have to seperate the science from the politics and follow the science .
Lo que pasa es que estoy harto de este cabrón rosado que siempre postea mierda narrativa de que la Covid19 es peor cada día que pasa y todos deberíamos tener mucho miedo y obedecer las medidas sanitarias ciegamente. I know everything belongs to God, no doubt. My anger is vs humans trying to f**k with vaccines and a plethora of synthetic s**t. At all Use chlorine dioxide for godsake!! Research, do an organic research and learn from anecdotic and clinical evidence evidence evidence evidence!!!!!! Is it possible for thousands and thousands of people to be lying or deceived by a chlorine dioxide scam???? I use it for f sake, my family too!!!!
hi friend we already have a head full of things about it this way just ignore it in my opinion and calm too
Well a virus is a virus it's not discriminate for age, race, religion, gender, or color. A Virus just dose not give a dam. here in the UK the government and academic's and the who are talking out there backside's. two week's ago the education and government made our children go back to school one week later someone tested positive for covid-19 and then went back home to there family's where no doubt they also became infected.It's f**king genocide Government approved genocide... Remember the Geneva convention .... I think our government here in the UK are really showing what it's like to be at the top. and us public are paying for it... So in a sense now the education department is in on it as well. Dont get me started with the Civil Service sector. they are a breed of there own and have the Gove ball's in there hand's. I mean we as public are thick... really and truly thick. like sheep to the slaughter house and we are letting the GOV WHO Education system's get away with this ... they should have closed the boarders and two week quarantine at the airport's ... it would have been easier to contain at them point's.
>I mean we as public are thick... really and truly thick. >Well a virus is a virus it's not discriminate for age, race, religion, gender, or color. Trying to claim something using your own obvious ignorance as evidence doesnt work . IF you were right there would be an equal spread of it in our society ...... and there obviously isnt . Some people are obviously more prone than others .
>Well a virus is a virus it's not discriminate for age, race, religion, gender, or color. Corona: Why does it hit some particularly hard? Whether you belong to the risk group does not determine the severity of a Covid 19 disease alone. Genetics and epigenetics have a say. This knowledge will improve the prevention and treatment of serious cases. Corona: Warum trifft es manche besonders hart? Ob man zur Risikogruppe gehört, entscheidet nicht alleine über die Schwere einer Covid-19-Erkrankung. Genetik und Epigenetik reden mit. Diese Erkenntnis wird Vorbeugung und Therapie ernster Fälle verbessern. https://www.riffreporter.de/erbe-um...TC7FErKLhTWqM5gobqdLgxvLPtBmnPsOs4XHqqR0ywAJI
The study they're talking about ---- > Genomewide Association Study of Severe Covid-19 with Respiratory Failure Background There is considerable variation in disease behavior among patients infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19). Genomewide association analysis may allow for the identification of potential genetic factors involved in the development of Covid-19. Methods We conducted a genomewide association study involving 1980 patients with Covid-19 and severe disease (defined as respiratory failure) at seven hospitals in the Italian and Spanish epicenters of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic in Europe. After quality control and the exclusion of population outliers, 835 patients and 1255 control participants from Italy and 775 patients and 950 control participants from Spain were included in the final analysis. In total, we analyzed 8,582,968 single-nucleotide polymorphisms and conducted a meta-analysis of the two case–control panels. Results We detected cross-replicating associations with rs11385942 at locus 3p21.31 and with rs657152 at locus 9q34.2, which were significant at the genomewide level (P<5×10−8) in the meta-analysis of the two case–control panels (odds ratio, 1.77; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.48 to 2.11; P=1.15×10−10; and odds ratio, 1.32; 95% CI, 1.20 to 1.47; P=4.95×10−8, respectively). At locus 3p21.31, the association signal spanned the genes SLC6A20, LZTFL1, CCR9, FYCO1, CXCR6 and XCR1. The association signal at locus 9q34.2 coincided with the ABO blood group locus; in this cohort, a blood-group–specific analysis showed a higher risk in blood group A than in other blood groups (odds ratio, 1.45; 95% CI, 1.20 to 1.75; P=1.48×10−4) and a protective effect in blood group O as compared with other blood groups (odds ratio, 0.65; 95% CI, 0.53 to 0.79; P=1.06×10−5). Conclusions We identified a 3p21.31 gene cluster as a genetic susceptibility locus in patients with Covid-19 with respiratory failure and confirmed a potential involvement of the ABO blood-group system. https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2020283
So what? What does this help me or help any common average people? Webpages are plagued with new "information" all pessimistic and alarming about this f virus. What good that information does to common world citizens? Only retarded focus on such information. Look at this roflmao: WTH ? I don't need this, no common people need this not even a******** like you @case-sensitive , you don't even understand such. I need solutions, solutions.
Is this to much to understand ---- > a blood-group–specific analysis showed a higher risk in blood group A than in other blood groups (odds ratio, 1.45; 95% CI, 1.20 to 1.75; P=1.48×10−4) and a protective effect in blood group O as compared with other blood groups ?
You think because you showed a couple of wikipedia referencies you have knowledge and you are that smart? Think twice, no thrice, no. Stop thinking and listen to smarter people. There's a whole town in Bolivia using and cured by CD... but you come here showing me two wikipedia references? You are pathetic. You think you are that smart cause you don't believe in God (perhaps not sure) and fully trust in science but you know what you BELIEVE in some "scientific" references, you don't make any science. You are seated in your comfortable couch posting and living without knowing really amazing things happening in life. Pathetic. There's a lot of scientific information out there which is manipulated. It's malscience. Remember science is the best thing an intelligent species can have but down here scientists are humans first. And they have their own banal interests.
Wot ? ...... your blaming me because you posted a thread so psychomoronic that it got deleted without a word in minutes ?
@case-sensitive Answer me!! Explain why this people is using chlorine dioxide then cured! https://ugena.eu/primer-municipio-libre-de-covid-19-gracias-al-dioxido-de-cloro/ https://ugena.eu/medicos-peruanos-explican-a-congresistas-los-bulos-acerca-del-dioxido-de-cloro/ https://ugena.eu/dra-patricia-callisperis-defender-la-vida/
@case-sensitive What entitles you to make such statements? Why you demonize chlorine dioxide? Pharmaceutical psychotropic drugs are an example of actual venom and surely you use one. I am not blaming you. I want you to answer me why you demonize something you don't know.