Bat couldn't believe he quoted de SOURCE instead of just plagiarizing as usual Then Bat noticed SOURCE was part of the picture Guess as long as nuffin appears Copyrighted the Mods will allow that and MDL won't get hit width a DMCA Notice to remove de thread
Stop LYING, Bat! One - in all other cases I strictly put up the source!!! ANYONE can check it! And the one I didn't put up by a simple oversight - you could check. Alas, this is beyond you.... Which is why you are beneath contempt, with such obvious BS... Noddy, what's better: to run out of big red letters or lives? I know where I stand. Do you? @Yen: obviously, you are not a good professional politician. And it shows. Thank goodness people like you are NOT in charge of public health policy... At least good politicians understand they are in charge of not only economy but also public health and lives depend on their policies. They don't hide behind numbers and statistics. Unlike some bad scientists, businessmen and some really bad politicians. Good politicians understand there are other principles which override statistics and scientific models.... Lost, some of you.... completely lost. Empathy is a foreign word for you! Difficult to see and come to terms with... at least for me...
I don't - not on this issue, that's for sure! And I think no one should! For as long as Germany doesn't play the UK game - you can trust those guys in charge. Once Germany starts following BoJo - well, look at the BS we have here, the mess, the deaths, the suffering....
Wouldn't know for sure cause got a real life so don't has de time to read all de Copy/Past FAR Left BS You post. You got called out and in your usual fashion replied inappropriately. Anyone else guilty of a "simple oversight" would have apologised and corrected de error. Who is beneath contempt
OK, then I will report you for LYING ABOUT WHAT I DO AND HOW I BEHAVE!!!! @Yen, can you see that I always source what I put up here? ALWAYS! As it happens, ONCE I forgot to do it and then this a-hole jumps to the occasion and alleges I NEVER do it!!! Which is a LIE!!!!! How to resolve it? Well, mercifully, it is EASY to check who is a LIAR!!! Can @admin check if I ALWAYS POST SOURCES and this one he mentions was a fluke, as in an exception to the rule or if I NEVER POST SOURCE, as Bat alleges...
Bat think de Pink Bot Need a Time Out until shim able to read de RULES 1.3 Treat other members as you would want them to treat you. Any comments of a personal nature such as but not limited to, race, religion, intelligence, literacy, gender to another member will be deleted and the poster banned. Maybe Some Folks just Don't has to obey dem
Maybe him actually took de time and typed dis all out One more time, let's clear the notions properly: "Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response, said during a media briefing in Geneva last week that "herd immunity" is typically discussed in the context of vaccinations -- not as a response to a pandemic. "Normally when we talk about herd immunity, we talk about how much of the population needs to be vaccinated to have immunity to the virus, to the pathogen, so that transmission can no longer take place or it's very difficult for a virus or a pathogen to transmit between people," Van Kerkhove said. "If we think about herd immunity in the natural sense of just letting a virus run, it's very dangerous," she said. "That means that many people are infected, many people will need hospitalizations and many people will die." I put it to you once again: scientists, sadly, are frequently NOT properly trained in either Logic or Public Health Policy, many are almost autistic, if not sociopathic and can't see Human Beings past the numbers for love or money. They are frequently the most dangerous people, with such tunnel vision!!! "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another." I. Kant, "What is Enlightenment" in "Political writings" (1784) - the basis of Modernity...
So ...... two things ...... either herd imunity through vacines or through letting it take its cource ....... BUT ..,.,... its not either or its somewhere in between ....... and ...... it seems to me to be clear to see that there's already a large part of the population that has some degree of imunity .....,.. otherwise the streets would be full of bodys
Jesus! It is full of bodies or seriously ill even young and fit people, let alone older and people with preexisting illnesses!!! And it would be many more if "let it all hang out" attitude prevailed!!! THAT'S THE POINT YOU GENIUSES DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT!!!! In that case public health services like NHS would not have been able to cope. In fact, some of them are on a brink already, as I have written before, the nurses are planning of leaving in large numbers, they never saw so many people die on their watch, including their own colleagues, who were left without PPE and/or support - it's like wartime for them.... PTSD is a new term for you, I see.... But don't let that worry you: since you are not seeing it, since it is not happening to you - it simply doesn't exist, sure... FCOL!!!! Autistic, are we?!? I have posted tons of posts with links!!! If I re-posted my post then I haven't felt the need to post the link yet again!!! But they are there! Always credited the source!!! CHECK IT!!! And even if I made a mistake, as I have written already - FCOL, it's dead simple to C&P a title into DuckDuckGO or some other search engine, so f-off!!! What do you think, that I am inventing the wheel? But I will tell you who here is posting BS trying to be "clever".... Oh, shoot.... I already did.... so many times it hurts... Never mind.... Go, regurgitate some more soft eugenics ideas....
Bat, have you ever heard of PUNCTUATION?!? These signs: "" - do they mean anything to you?!? It's back to primary school for you, m8....
Look how difficult this is: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Maria+Van+Kerkhove,+the+World+Health+Organization's+technical+lead+for+coronavirus+response,+said&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Normally ...to be vaccinated to have immunity&t=h_&ia=web Close to impossible!! For a.... "bat", sure....
So Bat is FREEEEE to say whatever him wants without repercussion YEN might put up width Your BullShidt but promise Bat won't So de Same Old Crap with My Posts getting deleted while Gorski keeps Running shis mouth WTF You get Alex to come back just to cover your ass ? So take Your Gay (I have nothing against udder Gays) Ass and shove your Gender Studies Degree Up It Gawd an Education is a Horrible thing to waste on an IDIOT Don't bother Banning Bat Mods, Bat Quit FUCQE Dis SH!T
There has to be no fight about posted sources. The thread is a public thread and anybody can read where exactly sources have been posted. You again avoid to argue on the matter proper diagnostic. If there would be valid objections you cannot recognize them in your mind, they are always false per se. I mean what way of arguing is that?! The number of positive PCR tests is used to justify to release and to execute rules for the pandemic and that by suspending the constitution. The currently used PCR test has lab approval, but no approval for diagnostic. The reasons for it are: It is not standardized. Means depending on lab its way of processing varies, means you get different results. Different nations have different thresholds. It is not validated. Means it is uncertain if it repeats to the same result and the chosen DNA sequences were never zoned against other corona viruses. It comes with a natural error rate on positives which is 5000 every million. It is even higher when you test healthy people. Proper rules of diagnostic, every physician actually knows them and applies them. But here at the pandemic they are treated with contempt. People with positive tests are sent to quarantine because positive=illness. This is scientific dilettantism! To determine an illness there is anamnesis. A lab result is used to substantiate the assumption. It is never used to determine the illness alone and has to be used as medical tool (if it has got the approval for it). A test never determines the illness it is always the physician! You go to the doc, the doc makes the anamnesis, the doc uses different tools of diagnostic and the doc determines the illness and choses the right treatment. This is proper diagnostic! You can now find counterarguments against mine...or again waste your time drifting away to your same record.
I'm afraid you are doing that, Yen. Wasting your time on very dubious interpretations of this phenomena, while numbers are going up and up, as we are learning of more and more horryfing aspects of this illness, that we might get it again, having had it, that all are possible victims, that it is not feasible to ring fence the vulnerable and so on and on... You are ignoring all this on dubious grounds, so pardon me if I am exasperated when I see such posts regurgitating numbers and not seeing Humanity....
@gorski It is about the proportionality of the means used. And how they are used. Your idea and concerns about victims is absolutely right, that's not the point. And it's about the effectivity of the means: Study: https://www.nber.org/ https://www.aier.org/article/lockdo...nsmission-rates-or-deaths-new-study-suggests/ Do you know streptococcus pneumoniae? It's the bacterial agent that can be reason for pneumonia. Here in Germany (as example) more than 500000 get ill every year, 35000 are dying. If you would now develop a test and would do the same (ab)use of testing and diagnostics and the same great amount of testing you would CREATE a 'pandemic' which is 4 times deadlier than COVID-19. We HAVE agents around us which are causing a far greater impact on mortality. Sad, but true. But now the numbers of COVID-19 are here that people can pick up something to distract and to have something to act out fears.... We need means that put COVID-19 in a right direction to get a proper relation of the sickness. And we need to stay conform to proper science. We need to stop mass testing. We need to protect the vulnerable people and we need to isolate the virulent persons and to track infection paths (the paths of the virulent people). We need to 'integrate' COVID-19 so we can live with it the next months, years. We need to return to proper diagnostic. Somebody gets sick, goes to the doc. The doc uses an approved test as diagnostic means, determines COVID-19 and THEN isolates and reports the person. We need to care of each others and apply rules of proper hygiene. We need to take care of the vulnerable people. Unethical is to pick up something, distort it by abusing diagnostics and to do more harm on people caused by the measures (freedom, social life, psychological impacts, income, job, development of kids, educational system, delayed surgery, occupied resources at health system, battered economy)...while lots more are dying from other pathogens. Unnoticed by media, unreported and uncounted by numbers on dashboards.
There is no "proportionality" in death and illness, man... You bought a libertarian poison wholesale, FCOL. Legitimate issues of caring for those in vulnerable positions is used as a smokescreen behind which they would actually sacrifice all of them in a heartbeat! It's really sad and maddening how so many of you can't see this....
Because you want to sacrifice my right to freedom. I rather die free than frightened by a virus. If you and others want to be terrified go and lockdown yourselves.