Mr.X ...... I asked because each persons ' position ' is clear to me . Yen is trying to be correct . Your deliberately talking stupid crap and gorski keeps changing his position . For yen it means something because hes german and we've been here before and we dont want to go back to that again . Again . Again . You havent got the brains to understand what your saying and doing and gorski overestimates his intelligence and is treating this ' discussion' as if its a verbal acrobatics competition . Gorski talks about useing force and then calls other people nazi !? An antiintellectual argumentation that dissapears up its own arse . In end effect this thread is no different than the two you posted ....... and if people made their ' positions ' clear there would be less chance for game playing . Yen did what i asked and made his position clear . The press is a worse problem than corona . For example we see an ' election ' in the us thats being decided by CNN and the world press throwing s**t at trump 24 / 7 . s**t sticks = it doesnt matter what he says and does they twist it for their own means . The whole of the world poly-tricks IS a ken and barby game show where evil people make speaches , lie , cheat and fill their pockets with cash ....... and psychomanic morons vote for them ......... because they've been indoctrinated in schools and lied to all their ' lives ' by the infotainment press . Poly-trickers are up to their necks in blind actionism = Trying to keep control and be seen to be in control . ........ and just printing money . That cant go on without very big problems . Theres a very thin line between poly-trickers useing the means that a country has to keep that country safe and to stop social unrest and rioting ......... and useing those means to keep themselves and the system that they profit from in control ........ and keep the slaves working for them ........ wich if continued can only go in the direction of the worst possible orwellian nightmare . If it goes on it proves that all the economic theorys and strategys that we've had are all wrong . Printing more money makes the value of each currency unit smaller and somewhere sometime someone will have to pay ....... either in cash or by loosing ' everything ' . Wich is just a continuation of class strugle where the cards are marked and the capitalists always ' win ' ....... and we always loose and pay . And noone is talking about where we go from here . Yen ...... Thank you . I agree .
"Gorski talks about useing force and then calls other people nazi !? An antiintellectual argumentation that dissapears up its own arse." Oh, FFS!!! Read with a bit of understanding... Ever heard of "state", "police", "military"? Any idea what would happen if we didn't have the "state"? Well, a little challenge for you: look above at my rather obvious examples and stop... Arrghhh!!! Deal with those examples or have the decency to just shut up, for once, Jeezusss.... (Seriously?!? I mean, the word fail me... This kinda comment is just plain crass... Wake up, man!!!) Btw, I am talking about strategy, if you actually look up a little bit, when you're not on drugs or something similar... We are in need of medicines/drugs (anti-virals) or vaccines! We need to "buy time", until our science and medicine do their job! We are Human Beings, FFS, not animals!!! Speaking of "herd immunity" is for idiots and/or eugenicists, as many proper scientists have warned, not once! READ A LITTLE BIT!!!
Again verbal acrobatics ...... two empty populistic posts void of facts . I never argued for or against a ' state ' or legitimate control . >Any idea what would happen if we didn't have the "state"? We would be free ? You mix terminology that you dont understand . Today there is no state or if there is there shouldnt be one . ' Democracy ' was suposed to get rid of that and replace it by representation = for the people by the people . State is a remnant of kings , popes , diktators , ju ju priest and partys . Its divide and rule where we are subjects and ' the state ' are our rulers . > when you're not on drugs Fascho . Your trying to disqualify me and what i'm saying by insinuating that i've taken ' drugs ' and therfore me and my words cant be taken seriously . Attacking me personaly and ignoring what i said . I havent taken any ' drugs ' . >or something similar... Fascho . Your insinuating that i am mentaly ill and therfore me and my words cant be taken seriously . >We are Human Beings, FFS, not animals Duhhhhh !!!
The fact you concur with @Yen 's position doesn't make mine stupid. Not convinced? Just look who's writing style make use of tons of dots between lines denoting low iq and poor scholarship in addition. You tagging me as stupid moron for using chlorine dioxide doesn't make you smarter but just ignorant and to the eyes of many doctors and scientists, you're a little clueless guy.
>The fact you concur with @Yen 's position doesn't make mine stupid. I agree with that >Just look who's writing style make use of tons of dots between lines denoting low iq and poor scholarship in addition.
True heroes, true gurus, true patriots not s**tty c**ts full of cowardice. https://acu2020.org/english-versions/
AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine trial Brazil volunteer dies, trial to continue https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2762N2
Compared to.. Everything is proceeding HERE in Brazil as expected. Only one DEATH so far! What a farce. But wait It'll be our cure. Natural herd immunity, nah. It's unethical. (reaching it happens anyway, especially now...) I never stated that I want to be one that wants to join the party. I am no politician. 'Only' Besides of that I am quite real. The number of fatalities do not raise to the same amount. Thank god, but it's as expected. Probably due to seroprevalence of ~80% Means the relative percentage is getting lower and lower approximating the real value which is still unknown.. But the psycho dynamic of fear leaves it unconsidered. The raise is rolling over Europe despite of different measures and restrictions. All powers need to be concentrated to have enough medical capacities. Anything else is secondary. When you test 10 times more than on April you need to have 10 times more of infections to reach the same degree of the first wave. But the psycho dynamic of fear leaves it unconsidered.
Ladies and gentlemen presenting the first scientific study for chlorine dioxide in vivo... In vivo? Yes, in vivo In vivo evaluation of the antiviral effect of ClO2 in chicken embryos inoculated with avian infectious bronchitis coronavirus https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.13.336768v1 BOOM!
I remembered when I lived in India a case where a man took a laxative from a doctor. Most Indians use Ayurveda doctors instead of hospital doctors. So I learned that according to Ayurveda there are more than 600 types of laxative for a person, depending on the constitution of a person, what kind of dosha vata a person has. And the doctor clearly selects from 600 varieties only the medicine that suits the patient. Moreover, these medicines are herbal infusions and without any chemistry. So this is where I'm heading? For each person there is a separate medicine, we are all different, if one fits, then the other will be death! Ps: I'm not an Indian - we just fly to India every year for a two-month vacation.
Interesting data. Thanks. Thing is chlorine dioxide has proven success in every and each case with zero yes zero iatrogenic damage or deaths. Nice isn't it?
Yen, you are totally out of order! The top scientists are showing quite clearly that herd immunity is only to be used when it comes to having a vaccine and giving it to close to everybody. To allow everybody to be exposed to the virus that we just started studying and we know that many will die - is unethical! What the hell is your problem with that? Do we have an alternative? Yes, we do - find a vaccine and/or anti-viral drugs. How? Well, volunteers is one way (probably after initial experiments with animals, at least sometimes)! Not with a gun to their heads! They do know what they are getting themselves into! At least in the West, they do! But if you decide everybody is to go back to work, because this is the only way, we "must get herd immunity" - if you decide that with power of the state behind you, then you are using FORCE!!! A lot of force! Which is what libertarians are doing, as I demonstrated on Koch's example! They are using their corporate power, the money they have, to influence the legislators to do their bidding! Now, who is quite obviously farcical here? Or if you wish: who is a hypocrite here? Pointing a finger at others for something you would do!!! FCOL, THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE NONSENSE!!!
The reason I posted that link is not to show that one infection is worse that the other, it is to show similarities. People in here seem to take one part of the data and magnify it to ridiculous levels to suit their own cause, which seems to be sensationalism. I think covid19is overblown, yes it's deadly but so is the flu. It magnifies certain respiratory complications , which the flu can do as well. The one alarming thing I find is the organ damage. I also think this discussion is bordering on the realms of Trump stupidity at times. I wish people would stick to the facts and stop being overdramatic, the media is doing a great job at being overdramatic already!
Example of media lunacy. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/health/flu-covid-19-deaths-comparison-trnd/index.html What purpose does it serve to compare the death rates of a new infection and compare it to an old infection that has been around for hundreds of years? But even in that case, the WHO estimates that around 290 000 to 650 000 people die from the flu worldwide every year! https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year Why isn't the media making graphs and tracking the flu? it's because there is no money in it! Flu won't sell as well as covid-19 the new and relatively unknown media darling. My word of advice would be to stop idolizing politicians and the media, they are part and parcel of the same human disease, corruption!
Three is an interesting read here: https://biogeekery.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/human-resistance-to-infectious-diseases/
The answer is simple and you know it! There is a lot of media funding as propaganda for Covid19 Only in Shvei was seen from a budget of 2 million for 1 month of advertising covid19 All advertising is funded from your taxes.
Of course we have an alternative. But it'll take time. It has to take time until we get a safe one. And the first victim at research at this early stage in Brazil should alarm us, all the more the comments on this! Big pharma and money related. I don't know. I did 15 years synthetic drug design--Alzheimer, Epilepsy, Tranquillizer, Heart...no single death at our studies. Then later phytopharmaceutical drug resreach..also none. The gun to their heads....don't you know how high the pressure on this really is?! The psycho dynamic of fear is crying for it very loud!!!! I already mentioned that article 5 (pandemic) allows to skip the usual steps at drug developments. You know my 'spirit of research' at this before, where I did not know that mRNA based vaccines development has skipped lots of animal testing! And where I did not know how CD4+ and CD8+ (T) cells are killing corona viruses. Where I did not know that you need a very high antibody level to fight it. And I did not know the history of H1N1 vaccines, their adjuvant ('action enhancer') and narcoplepsy in Sweden (Pandemrix). You can read it here: https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/coronavirus-discussion.81224/page-56#post-1621014 posted as 'con'. I am open for counterarguments.(Side effect could be autoimmune disorder.) And I posted about antibody levels...and early declining and high viral load at infections like COVID-19. I am speaking about dealing with COVID-19 until we have one. And I want people think about that it has -as it seems- not the attributes of a saviour. Means a protection of 100% a long time and no complications / side effects at all. And as long as we don't have it we we naturally reach herd immunity. What is 'saving' us there from high fatalities is probably seroprevalence. But anytime I simply point to that you get allergic. I do not propagate we should stop research and go for natural herd immunity alone. And you frequently are pigeonholing when I post. Nobody else here is doing that. It is of no use. I make the efforts to read a lot of studies and do not copy a guru or Trump... Where exactly do I argue with the exactly same arguments as Trump and co. do? He is not able to argue like I do! He is a fool with no arguments at all and simply denies anything about COVID-19. Out of my sight out of my mind is his way to deal with it. What's tedious is to know that I frequently get pigeonholed by you. I actually expected from you @gorski that you are able to differentiate. Either way. You won't find me doing the same pigeonholing at you...
@Yen, you have pigeonholed yourself. I have nothing to do with that! You made a U-turn, I am but a messenger... And I am differentiating at the most serious level - you are unable to do any of that of late, sadly....