@Yen, how can evil A, B or C somehow justify evil D? Where is any "logic" or godforbid Humanity in it?!? And you are misrepresenting the numbers when it comes to C-19/pneumonia etc. comparison! Dr Gabriel Scally Glad to see an MP take the time to study the ‘Great Barrington Declaration’ and then expose it for the dangerous fraud it is. @RhonddaBryant Chris Bryant @RhonddaBryant · Oct 22 On paper, the great Barrington declaration sounds wonderful. But in practice it's completely bonkers. Here's why I don't think the great Barrington declaration is great in the slightest. (1/2) https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1319370722209337344 https://twitter.com/i/status/1319370722209337344 https://twitter.com/i/status/1319371400671600640
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commo...ribution-D0F89A92-F9CA-4A5F-BBB9-71ADA1B14914 Ms Dorries "I say well done to him for taking apart the Great Barrington declaration. I will now not go into it, as he did an excellent job. Turning to herd immunity, without a vaccine how do we attain herd immunity? With no knowledge of immunity from coronavirus, how do we obtain herd immunity? I will share with the House that I was diagnosed with coronavirus on 7 March, I had a severe dose and my antibodies had disappeared 12 weeks later. I am no longer immune to coronavirus. That is not just my story; it is the story of many, many people. Many people who were donating their plasma post-coronavirus for convalescent therapy were told quite quickly, “We no longer need your plasma because you do not have any antibodies left.” Work is going on into immunity, and we have not reached a conclusive position yet, but I can speak from my own experience and from the experiences that we are hearing about, and if people do not have long-term antibodies and we have no vaccine, there is no such thing as herd immunity. I say that again because it is the truth."
White House chief of staff: 'We are not going to control the pandemic' https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/25/...dq_ay-cYZdQZN0_6X6AS8WySset_lGWfWDSMbffV0jmqQ Sweet....
She's lacking of the very basics of immunology. I.E. definition of epitopes.... T cell response and far more... It's embarrassing. Some people just should rather be quiet than to disqualify themselves. Antibody levels are never long term high! This is btw my argument why a vaccine won't be the savior. Antibodies are just one kind of immune defence. I am sorry to say @gorski. You pick up 'political opinions' that fit to your corona ideology without to have a clue what's scientifically behind. You are walking on thin ice when you move to a subject which you cannot evaluate due to lack of knowledge. If you don't 'believe' me because you think I follow a gurus ideology then ask somebody who you trust and who has at least studied one or two semesters of biology. Please give it to somebody to read who is able to understand that, but do spare me from such incompetence! And her repeating "I say that again because it is the truth" does not make it true. This maybe works at politics, but not at science. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6512/89 This is nothing personal, though. I am just tired to repeat myself again and again. Thanks.
there will never be a cure all vaccine, like humans a virus will evolve ! bacteria evolves ! the climate is changing colder places are getting warmer ! we are living in a large petri dish !
Do you honestly think this is normal? And on this new subnormality should we all accept it? Spoiler: Subnormality TIENES UNOS MINUTOS PARA DESCUBRIR LA VERDAD SOBRE LA "PANDEMIA"? TEN EN CUENTA QUE ESTA PAGINA ESTA HECHA SIN ANIMO DE LUCRO. LA UNICA FINALIDAD ES RECUPERAR NUESTRA LIBERTAD Y DERECHOS HUMANOS. COMENCEMOS POR EL SENTIDO COMUN Y NUESTRO CORAZON.... SI TIENE HIJOS, LE PARECE ESTO "NORMAL"...? ES LO QUE VA A OCURRIR EN NUESTRO PAIS A NO SER QUE LO DETENGAMOS ENTRE TODOS SI LAS IMAGENES DE ARRIBA NO TE PREOCUPA, TE ACONSEJO QUE TE INFORMES DE LOS EFECTOS NOCIVOS DE LA MASCARILLA. MAS ABAJO DE ESTA PAGINA ENCONTRARAS UN BOTON QUE PONE "MAS INFORMACION". NO TE PERMITAS EL LUJO DE "IGNORAR" LOS EFECTOS A MEDIO Y LARGO PLAZO QUE ESTAS MASCARILLAS TIENEN. TE SUPLICO QUE TE INFORMES. POR CIERTO, ES MUY LOGICO QUE ESTES PENSANDO QUE USANDO UNA MASCARILLA, TU Y TUS HIJOS SE PROTEGEN DE ESTE SUPUESTO VIRUS DEL CUAL NOS ATERRORIZAN LOS MEDIOS INFORMATIVOS.... NADA PODRIA SER MAS LEJOS DE LA REALIDAD... LAS MASCARILLAS NO OFRECEN NINGUNA PROTECCION. SON MEDIDAS POLITICAS, NO SANITARIAS. NO ME CREES? UNA IMAGEN VALE MAS QUE MIL PALABRAS... Esta ultima imagen es de una caja de mascarillas de los Estados Unidos. Para aquellos que no entiendan Ingles, dice en el primer paragrafo lo siguiente: "ESTE PRODUCTONO ES UN RESPIRADOR Y NO OFRECE NINGUNA PROTECCION CONTRA EL COVID-19 (CORONAVIRUS) NI CONTRA NINGUN OTRO VIRUS O CONTAMINANTE" Aun asi nos obligan a llevarlo en la playa y en el bosque aunque estemos solos. Saquen sus propias conclusiones NUESTRA CONSTITUCION Y NUESTROS DERECHOS HUMANOS ESTAN SIENDO VULNERADOS CADA DIA POR UNOS POLITICOS VENDIDOS A INTERESES MUY OSCUROS. TE RUEGO POR FAVOR COMPARTAS ESTA PAGINA CON TANTA GENTE COMO PUEDAS. TENEMOS QUE DESPERTAR DE ESTA PESADILLA. VE CON TUS PROPIOS OJOS COMO LOS MEDIOS INFORMATIVOS "OFICALES"... LA SEXTA, ANTENA3, TELE5, TVE, ETC NOS MIENTE DESCARADAMENTE, CREANDO TERROR INNECESARIO A NUESTRAS FAMILIAS, ESPECIALMENTE NUESTROS ANCIANOS, LOS MAS VULNERABLES. (SUBA UN POCO EL VOLUMEN!) TENEMOS QUE DECIR BASTA A LA CORRUPCION DE LOS JUECES, POLITICOS Y MEDIOS DE INFORMACION (LA "TELE"). NOS OBLIGAN A NUESTRAS FAMILIAS A IR CON MASCARILLAS. NOS CONFINAN Y DESTRUYEN NUESTROS PUESTOS DE TRABAJO Y NEGOCIOS Y TODO SIN UNA JUSTIFICACION CIENTIFICA, SINO POLITICA. ¡BASTA YA DE LA FALSA PANDEMIA! PARA AQUELLOS PREOCUPADOS POR LOS "REBROTES"... ES CON LO QUE NOS ATERRORIZAN EN LA TELEVISION... TENER EN CUENTA QUE LOS TEST PCR NO SIRVEN PARA MEDIR CARGAS VIRALES... SU MISMO INVENTOR YA LO DIJO EN SU DIA. AUN ASI, SE SIGUEN HACIENDO ESTOS TEST INDISCRIMINADAMENTE, AUN SABIENDO QUE NO SIRVEN, Y EL RESULTADO SON GENTE "ASINTOMATICA"... LO QUE REALMENTE QUIERE DECIR GENTE SANA... QUE NO NECESITAN NI CONFINAMIENTO NI MASCARILLA... AQUI TE DEJO UN ENLACE DEL MINISTERIO DE SANIDAD PARA QUE LO VEAS CON TUS PROPIOS OJOS. EL MINISTERIO DE SANIDAD SABE ESTO!!! https://www.mscbs.gob.es/ciudadanos/ene-covid/faqs.htm La ineficacia de los tests PCR explicada por la Dra. Albarracín al Dr Gaona AQUI UN EJEMPLO PERFECTAMENTE EXPLICADO POR AITOR DE "ABOGADOS POR LA DEMOGAGIA" DE EL SIGNIFICADO REAL DE LOS FAMOSOS REBROTES POR CIERTO... CREES QUE LOS HOSPITALES PUEDEN ESTAR ECONOMICAMENTE INTERESADOS EN DIAGNOSTICARTE COMO COVID-19 AUNQUE TENGAS UN BRAZO ROTO...? MIRA.. https://elfindelapandemia.com/
I am with your suggestion brother . How to get this chlorine dioxide if its available on any pharma store or general store because people only can get in touch with these but not directly Labs [laboratories].
Yen, the first one is a doctor - I am not sure about the minister. You are not, on the other hand! Nothing personal. I just want to see libertarians and whomever comes to similar conclusions - defeated! You know, save more lives..... As in this little reminder below - see who you are standing with and try not to cringe too much....
You are right by that, I am no doctor but some of my colleagues are. I do not take it personal. It was only about to 'get' those 2 sources I have posted, though. Also what I have posted about PCR tests. Although I have not studied those, you surely know, education goes on at practising the job and does not end after a study. We (company) develop own PCR tests and our work group is working closely together with the bio-chemical department in the company. There is also immunology related works. I frequently discuss corona with the colleagues there. We also research on anti-viral plants. These research on T cells (CD4+ / CD8+) is just the beginning. I expect more impressing results to read in the future. I only 'dare' to comment there where I think to have understood the works that are published. The other 'instance' of immune defence -antibody level and its rapid decline- is still controversial. It is actually not sure if the plateau when reached is still sufficient for a good protection. It always has to be related to the viral load which is individual, based on situations. (Once an antibody is occupied it is done.) T-cells have a long lasting 'memory', though. They have learned from former corona infections impressively. (If they had the opportunity). The phenomenon that fatality rate is approximating to the lower values is clearly observable, especially in Germany. Recent statistics suggest 0.1-0.6%. One reason for it is that we are able now to have better treatment already. (Monoclonal anti-bodies, Remdesivir when administrated at early stages already). Also a high test rate pushes it to the lower values since you find more infections that would be left unnoticed at lower test rates. Another one is that we do protect and apply more locally. Another one is probably based on cross-immunity and underlined by even those 2 sources... And another hypothesis is mutation to a more harmless viral strain... Maybe it is a combination of these factors...
Yen, we know all that, yes... But! All around the world, wherever they play it down, the way your guru preaches - we have serious trouble!!! https://www.democracynow.org/2020/1..._covid_19_cases_explode_in_spain_italy_france
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873 The Imperial College London team found the number of people testing positive for antibodies has fallen by 26% between June and September. They say immunity appears to be fading and there is a risk of catching the virus multiple times. The news comes as figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the number of Covid-19 deaths in the UK rose by 60% in the week of 16 October. More than 350,000 people in England have taken an antibody test as part of the REACT-2 study so far. In the first round of testing, at the end of June and the beginning of July, about 60 in 1,000 people had detectable antibodies. But in the latest set of tests, in September, only 44 per 1,000 people were positive. It suggests the number of people with antibodies fell by more than a quarter between summer and autumn. "Immunity is waning quite rapidly, we're only three months after our first [round of tests] and we're already showing a 26% decline in antibodies," said Prof Helen Ward, one of the researchers. The fall was greater in those over 65, compared with younger age groups, and in those without symptoms compared with those with full-blown Covid-19. The number of healthcare workers with antibodies remained relatively high, which the researchers suggest may be due to regular exposure to the virus. IMAGE COPYRIGHTGETTY IMAGES image captionY-shaped antibodies stick to the surface of viruses to stop them infecting the body's cells Antibodies stick to the surface of the coronavirus to stop it invading our body's cells and attacking the rest of the immune system. Exactly what the antibody drop means for immunity is still uncertain. There are other parts of the immune system, such as T-cells, which may also play a role, directly killing infected host cells and calling to other immune cells to help out. However, the researchers warn antibodies tend to be highly predictive of who is protected. Prof Wendy Barclay said: "We can see the antibodies and we can see them declining and we know antibodies on their own are quite protective. "On the balance of evidence, I would say it would look as if immunity declines away at the same rate as antibodies decline away, and that this is an indication of waning immunity." There are four other human coronaviruses, which we catch multiple times in our lives. They cause common cold symptoms and we can be reinfected every six to 12 months. Many people have mild or asymptomatic coronavirus infections. Two out of every three people who tested positive for coronavirus in a study published today by the Office for National Statistics experienced none of the main symptoms of coronavirus. Separate figures from the ONS today showed that Covid-19 deaths in the UK increased from just under 500 to just over 750 in the week to 16 October, pushing the total number of deaths 6% over the level expected for this time of year. At the peak in April, 9,500 Covid-19 deaths were registered in a single week. There have been very few confirmed cases of people getting Covid twice. However, the researchers warn this may be due to immunity only just starting to fade since the peak infection rates of March and April. The hope is the second infection will be milder than the first, even if immunity does decline, as the body should have an "immune memory" of the first encounter and know how to fight back. The researchers say their findings do not scupper hopes of a vaccine, which may prove more effective than a real infection. One of the researchers, Prof Graham Cooke, said: "The big picture is after the first wave, the great majority of the country didn't have evidence of protective immunity. "The need for a vaccine is still very large, the data doesn't change that." Professor Paul Elliott, director of the REACT-2 study, said it would be wrong to draw firm conclusions from the study about the impact of a vaccine. He said: "The vaccine response may behave differently to the response to natural infection." But he said it was possible that some people might need follow-up booster doses of any vaccine that became available to top up fading immunity over time. Commenting on the findings, Prof Jonathan Ball from the University of Nottingham said: "This study confirms suspicions that antibody responses - especially in vulnerable elderly populations - decrease over time." However, he said it was still important to get a better overall view of "what protective immunity looks like". Prof Eleanor Riley, from the University of Edinburgh, said it would be "premature" to assume immunity did not last, but "the data do lend weight to the concern that antibodies induced by natural infection may be short-lived, as is the case for other seasonal coronaviruses."
Branko Rihtman Čovjek napiše "pcr testovi za Covid daju pozitivne rezultate i ako imate samo gripu". Meni treba 300 riječi i 4 linka na naučne članke da pokažem da baljezga gluposti. Drugi čovjek napiše "broj mrtvih u prvoj polovici 2019 je veći nego u 2020". Čovjeku uzme tekst od 6 paragrafa da objasni zašto to matematički i logički nije tačno, zašto je poređenje pogrešno. Treći napiše "covid virus je vještački, sadrži dijelove HIV virusa" Meni uzme 2 sata poređenja sekvenci spike proteina bioinformatičkim alatkama, i još dva sata pisanja laičkog objašnjenja zašto identitet 6 aminokiselina (kolika je sličnost između spike proteina Covida i HIVa) biološki i statistički ne znači ništa. Jel primjećujete problem? Profesionalci nemaju dovoljno vremena i energije da činjenicama pobijaju jednorečenične neistine koje hohštapleri ispaljuju bjesomučno, bez ikakve odgovornosti za posljedice svojih laži. Također puno je lakše pročitati jednorečeničnu laž nego dugo objašnjenje potkovano faktima Nemojte ih širiti. Online translator used: The man writes "PCR tests for Covid give positive results even if you only have the flu". I need 300 words and 4 links to scientific articles to show that he is talking nonsense. Another man writes “the death toll in the first half of 2019 is higher than in 2020”. It takes me a text of 6 paragraphs to explain why it is not mathematically and logically true, why the comparison is wrong. The third writes "covid virus is artificial, contains parts of the HIV virus" It takes me 2 hours to compare spike protein sequences with bioinformatics tools, and another two hours to write a layman's explanation of why the identity of 6 amino acids (what is the similarity between spike protein Covid and HIV) means nothing biologically and statistically. Do you notice a problem? Professionals do not have enough time and energy to refute one-sentence untruths with facts and morons fire them furiously, without any responsibility for the consequences of their lies. It is also much easier to read a one-sentence lie than a long explanation grounded in facts. Don't spread them.
I don't believe any of it. The reality and common in sense say otherwise. First humans then scientists...
That depends on the humans and scientists. "Common sense" is usually just a set of commonly held prejudices, prevailing little illusions of "truth" - try philosophy instead...
scientists cant seem to agree on cures and only history will sort out the facts we havnt cured the comon cold or the flu and we are still working on the corona virus , possably there will be a shot for a multi virus in a year or two and you still get a virus but not so bad !
Agree, fully. But your words are an extension/complement for mine. I try sprituality lately, never did before but it seems to be working for me.
I and many others are witnesses of human nature when it comes to greed and power. There are cures available, I personally know of one, and the powers above are demonizing them. So someone explain to me why the need for a vaccine? Why.