Stupid people dying for not using cures. Boooo! Boooo! A second third fourth wave is coming... I'm so scared
You're happy with all of this don't you? What a fabulous opportunity to impose a communist world government, central, linear, from top to bottom, correct?
The ten commitments of the Tenth-day Covidian Church 1. Thou shalt fear the virus above all else 2. Thou shalt not doubt about the pandemic 3. Thou shalt avoid parties 4. Thou shalt walk away from your father and mother 5. Thou shalt not socialize 6. Thou shalt not shake hands with others 7. Thou shalt not give a hug to others 8. Thou shalt not leave home without muzzle 9. Thou shalt not consent any breach of the norms 10. Thou shalt wash hands with hydro-alcohol gel when entering and leaving someone elses home
You misunderstood, completely. I am sorry for you and anyone to be in such a position - but you just do not understand what "welfare state" is and so you're now spouting nonsense... "Preparations for a pandemic were implemented a week before the outbreak was officially a public health emergency of international concern, and more than a month before WHO declared Covid-19 a pandemic." This is what you missed from the above article. Communist or Capitalist - it does not matter. Actions based on preserving Human life, that was the difference! As for economy v. life: "But given that Vietnam is one of the few countries in the world currently experiencing positive GDP growth, the supposed trade-off between the economy and public health, which countries around the world are negotiating, looks to be something of a false choice." Don't tell me USofA or Mexico, for that matter, couldn't have done it....
Don't be. After all me and family are true heroes. Just like you and yours, true heroes who are willing to lock down yourselves and starve to death before going out and infect others.
You are trapped in your political ideologies. Anti capitalistic, anti economy. All the time. Whether it fits to somebodies arguments or not, you do ignore. And you are pigeon-holing again. Where exactly did I put the word economy in my mouth? And where I posted pro capital? Neither at post #1452 nor at #1459. I even complained about injustice when the govt. is deciding who is getting support and who is left unconsidered and alone! You are unable to reflect my arguments suggesting ways how we can have things working despite of the pandemic. Your drive to categorize and sort out what does not fit in your fixed ideology deludes your mind. 'We' have the capacity? You still think the pandemic will be over soon. Every quick test before joining somewhere SAVES lives. Every measure to reduce aerosols in classrooms can save lives. Either you read my arguments and suggestions properly or you fall back into your ideological arguing. It has to take more time until you get that we have no other choice to develop measures to keep things running with a proper virus control on the spot. Until then see you here where I have posted it before.
Well, that's funny: somebody who wants to see right through nasty libertarian ideology is - what exactly? Come again? You really do not have a clue! All of this is "ideology", "world-view" informed, one way or another. But some of us have a slightly more enlightened position.... Sooooo.... Let me teach you a thing or three... Third time lucky with this... https://theintercept.com/2020/03/26...5GcqicibSYp4IUF79cIhZw_iM2RU_6UAiySqALYFxWMQU These are the consequences of such "humanity" i.e. their view of "Human Nature"!!! Sickening!!!! "The Koch network, while pushing for businesses to stay open, is taking the opposite approach for its lobbying apparatus. AFP and its affiliates, including LIBRE Initiative and Concerned Veterans for America, are now working from home. “Out of an abundance of caution and to ensure the health and safety of our activists, staff, and voters, our staff are working from home and are utilizing digital organizing as one way to continue their grassroots engagement,” a spokesperson from AFP told CNBC." This is who you are in bed with: Trump, Bolsonaro, AfD and the like... And you are telling me off because...??? I want to save lives as opposed to making money?!? GUILTY!!!!!
I did not argue against your ideology itself. I argued that you come up with it even though it has nothing to do with my arguments, suggestions. Active virus control is realized already. We have the quick tests already. I would have had to stop work if I could not get tested. In the meantime we are back in the lab continuing internship. The other idea was air purifying to reduce aerosols. There are promising results. Some schools here are testing them (portable devices) already. I simply propagated to extend those measures to make it possible that things don't need to be locked down. New ideas on active virus control will come and also proper concepts of hygiene. And we have them all open. Schools, Universities, DCCs. And guess what? R is decreasing anyway. We are at 0.81 already. But your last post is absolutely the same, a false utilisation. It's nothing more but a joke. I don't share my bed with politicians. And Trump will be history either way.
Your argument is false altogether: you were arguing the same thing when R was 2+ and now... Jesus Marx wept...
I argue regardless of current R value. The need to argue like I did came with the fact that I did realize that COVID-19 will last longer than I originally thought...and I think vaccination won't turn out like most people are hoping... An previously unconsidered reason additionally is: Animals as SARSCoV-2 reservoir. Here is the diagramm. R fluctuates....below 1 or slightly above one. And to consider there is a prediction interval (+/- 5%). While we were below 0.9 a short time on last Thursday we are today above one again... The second wave here is not impulsive but prolonged. If you consider 12 times more testing compared to first wave, the second one is not that intense. It's actually not clearly visible as a wave here. What's also useful...there is a site about medical capacities (hospitalisation) Germany. https://www.intensivregister.de/#/intensivregister?tab=laendertabelle Current ICU Hospitalisation: 21076 beds occupied 3005 COVID-19 of 21076 8418 beds left 1681 invasive artificial respiration due to COVID-19 You can clearly notice here in Germany: 40% ICU beds left Only 14% of the ICU cases are COVID-19 related 56% of COVID-19 ICU need artificial respiration The situation here is not bad. But we have best capacities at all. It's not due to recent corona politics. Also the 2nd lockdown has no effect on R yet. Our health system is one of the best in the world.
In the news everywhere: Vaccine of BioNTech expects registration this month already. Compare the official 'advertisement': https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...d-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against To what has been published in the Journal Nature about its Phase I/II. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4 (BNT162) is the code of the vaccine. There are subtypes b1 and b2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.20176651v1.full.pdf Local reactions reported within 7 days of first vaccination : mild and moderate: 100% Systemic events and medication use reported within 7 days after vaccination 2 for the 10-μg and 30-μg dose levels. (It's planned to use the 30-μg dose levels for registration.) Figure b from the Nature link (30-μg dose) : Fever: mild, moderate 75% Fatigue: mild, moderate 85% Headache: mild, moderate 100% Chills: mild, moderate and severe 65% Vomiting Zero Diarrhoea mild 10% Muscle pain mild, moderate 60% Joint Pain mild, moderate 25% This means three quarters get fewer, even a bit more fatigue, a bit less muscle pain and chills. ALL them got headache! Ergo: The probability to 'feel' sick is around three quarters, at headache 100%. The vaccine is not safe! It cannot be after that short time! Not to speak about delayed auto immune disorders and long term effects. Observations that the immune system reaches an overpowered state are made frequently at those kind of vaccines already. (Can be a reason for future auto immune disorders). BTW: The 'fastest' registration of a vaccine before has been 4.5 years. It is UNBELIEVABLE that serious media do not question what's going on!!! The Vaccine of BioNTech is celebrated without to think! My condolences to those who get vaccinated first! Sorry as a serious member of the scientific community I have to post that. I am actually shocked. For the Oxford / Astra vaccine it doesn't look better (the have one fatality already) posted that link already: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltext And speaking about capitalism. This is drive by capital on the costs of safety, supported by the public fear. If interested do a research who put money into the four leading vaccines. Hint: You'll find one and the same foundation at all those 4.
"I argue regardless of current R value." Yes, Yen, you argue regardless of everything. It's called a dogma. It has sweet f*^&-all to do with "fact based science"... Here, enjoy the results of such "politics": https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/exhausted-nhs-workers-could-quit "Exhausted NHS workers could quit their jobs after second Covid-19 wave, unions warn EXCLUSIVE Unions representing 1.3 million staff have published a joint letter to Boris Johnson asking him to support those he dubbed the “beating heart of the nation” Exhausted NHS staff could quit in their droves after the Covid-19 second wave, unions representing the workforce have warned. Unions representing 1.3 million staff today publish a joint letter to the Prime Minister today asking him to support those he dubbed the “beating heart of the nation”. The 14 health workers unions are demanding a commitment to this year reward the heroes battling to keep the NHS from being overwhelmed. It comes on the day inflation means many NHS workers including porters and cleaners are no longer getting the Real Living Wage. The Living Wage Foundation today (Monday) announces its new rate - independently calculated based on what people need to live on - of £9.50 an hour." Who's gonna do the front line work? You and your lot certainly won't, ergo.... Btw, I agree re. the fast track vaccine - but you are wrong: this is pushed through by politics!!!
A bit off topic, anyway Wtf? Roflmao Joe Biden brags about having “the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics” A Freudian slip roflmao. His senile subconscious betraying him.
Two things a pandemic allows by altered laws: Telescoping testing timelines and rolling reviews. Politics is the organisator of the race and cares for the right preconditions AKA huge amount of preorders. BUT the competitors do anything to be first. They deliver the 'scientific' results. They are self-evident. They make use of their lobby. "Covid-19 vaccine makers lobby EU for legal protection" https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/08/covid-19-vaccine-makers-push-eu-for-legal-protection-2.html "Dietmar Hopp will mit Curevac „Rennen um besten Impfstoff gewinnen"“ "Dietnmar Hopp wants to win with Curevac the race about the best vaccine" https://www.handelsblatt.com/untern...l?ticket=ST-11190557-mPgoWcM5gLTqq1FajYO3-ap6 "The Risks of Rushing a COVID-19 Vaccine" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risks-of-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine/ And they control the media. They even hypnotize serious journalism. TBH. This is for me worse than COVID-19 itself. Also being healthy without pre-illness the risk benefit ratio is that bad that I personally would prefer a COVID-19 infection to get immunity. When being healthy you statistically would suffer less from COVID-19 than from BNT-162. They say it protected 90% initially. But there are a lot of questions open. For instance: Are the antibodies sterilizing? If not it would mean you do not get sick anymore (you get immune) but you do not lose the ability to be virulent....consider what that would mean....professionals / medical personal is planned to get vaccinated first...
Malscience at its best. And people still thinking it's crazy to talk about a conspiracy against humanity. Really?
He has a stammer, sometimes quite strong and hence debilitating in some respects - one can not overemphasise this! It makes him self-conscious and that makes additional burdens while speaking in public.... Nothing to do with senility or nastiness of some kind but a natural problem with such people....
@Yen, it is good to be seriously questioning - that's science for you! Pity we did not see ANY of it when it comes to your new gurus....
Yea well...how about this: One of your subjects. (I am reading a lot...) "The Lancet" reputable scientific journal, 'Guru' arguing would be amiss... "COVID-19 in children and adolescents in Europe: a multinational, multicentre cohort study" A bit dry to read, but quite informative. 2 snippets: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30177-2/fulltext# P.S. When it comes to severe progresses 'long COVID' and severe progresses at children, 'bad abnormalities', no other 'source' that has been posted so far does consider the very natural...(virologists actually know well): At severe progresses multi infections can play a significant role. And the posted Lancet article underlines that. But I have missed a test on other viruses, bacteria, 'germs' at those other big headlines and their 'findings'. The very fist and most reasonable at such cases is to differentiate (as I have posted) and to that it belongs to check for multi infections and to exclude them before we assign 'those headlines / and fatalities' to COVID-19 alone.