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  1. Mr.X

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    The new vacine has to be stored / transported at minus 75 C .

    Two injections ...... but how often ?
     
  3. Mr.X

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    He has a stammer, no doubts, yet here he clearly had a Freudian slip FFS! Geez!
     
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    Phase I/II study of COVID-19 RNA vaccine BNT162b1 in adults https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4

    WTF !!! :) ....... Did i read that right ? ....... it was only 45 people ? ---- >

    >Between 4 May 2020 and 19 June 2020, 76 participants were screened, and 45 participants were randomized and vaccinated. Per dose level (10 μg and 30 μg), 12 participants were vaccinated with BNT162b1 on days 1 and 21, 12 participants received a 100-μg dose on day 1 and 9 participants received placebo . The study population consisted of healthy male and female participants with a mean age of 35.4 years (range, 19–54 years); 51.1% were male and 48.9% were female.

    and they injected them twice ........ some had negative effects ...... and then took blood samples and tested them in petri dishes against blood from people that have had corona and survived ! ? ! .......... and they declare it safe ?
     
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    MrX, please don't try to be way too clever in areas you know nothing about. It really doesn't show you in good light. Especially when you go personal like this. I am no uncritical fan of Biden! However, as a phonetician and somebody who studied these issues, I can tell you that he has a strong stammer and that impacts his speech generally, yes. He has to focus heavily on that, which makes him prone to verbal gaffs, yes....

    Yen, why do you think, the researchers warned us a while ago, that C-19 leaves scares on various tissues, even if the disease appears mild and that we simply do not know the long term impact on young people?

    They found a third of kids in Florida are infected and they have been warning about this - but the criminals in charge.... Oh, well.... If it is far away and we don't see immediate impact - it doesn't exist, eh?

    We shouldn't err on the side of caution because there are a couple of gurus in this world who are "not concerned", right?
     
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    -70C challenge: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54889084

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54877668

    The second coronavirus wave has already put many hospitals under great pressure, and it's nurses and physios who bear the brunt of it, writes Dr John Wright of Bradford Royal Infirmary (BRI). Here he introduces four nurses, who describe the strain they are now under.

    Work. Sleep. Repeat. Our doctors, nurses, physiotherapists and support staff have settled in to a weary routine. The hospital is nearly full. The patients we admit were infected a fortnight beforehand. The patients who are dying were infected a month ago - when the government's scientific advisory group, Sage, was recommending a circuit break.

    The virus has used this time to great effect. In Yorkshire, one in 37 people tested positive in the last week of October - almost 3% of the population. This is a prevalence figure beyond our comprehension.

    The avalanche has begun at the top of the mountain and we are readying ourselves at the base for its unstoppable force. As with the first wave, it is our 2,000-strong nursing staff who will bear the biggest impact.
     
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  8. Mr.X

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    So says you. Show your credentials.
    I don't pretend to show how smart I am. I know I am not but that won't stop me to comment.
    Says the one who knows a s**t about public health politics and yet defends the atrocity made by governments around the world. You love the idea of an upcoming world government aka technofeudal nightmare, don't you?
     
  9. Mr.X

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    Yeah, and on the other side of the world a whole town covid-19 free. Not so smart Yorkshire.
     
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    #1490 Yen, Nov 11, 2020
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    Nobody knows.

    Also those 90% are NO efficacy !!! Those 90% are immunogenicity! (The ability to create antibodies / T-cell immunity).
    How it behaves compared to a real infection is unknown also if the attributes of those antibodies are comparable to the real antibodies which are created at a real infection.

    The evidence for efficacy is not even determined because of lacking of data. You need one 'season' to have enough data for an evidence based efficacy.

    Yes Phase I and II are usually separate Phases with small amount of people.
    The ongoing Phase III is usually a few 10 thousands...but there are NO primary data available yet!


    BTW: It is Bill Gates that has a huge impact on vaccine development.
    He propagated the telescoping timelines and the merging of the Phases.
    https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/What-you-need-to-know-about-the-COVID-19-vaccine

    He also makes use of massive lobbyism. He's in contact with European and national govt!!!

    His foundation IS also investor of the 4 vaccines that are leading. (BioNTech, Oxford, Moderna and CureVac).

    Coincidence? I mean why not one of those hundreds of other vaccine candidates without investments of the Gates foundation?!?

    We should know all of the leaders are genetic vaccines and no mRNA vaccine has exceeded pre-clinical Phases EVER before.

    But today we have 3 mRNA and one Vector (Oxford) vaccines already in Phase II/III!!!!

    Without those altered laws this would be inconceivable.
     
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  11. Mr.X

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    As I've repeated many times: there's an ongoing conspiracy against humanity since ages and now we are witnessing the conclusion of it. Well there are many phases in their agenda to fulfill yet but they are acting much more openly.

    If we don't want to see it with all the recent events and by looking to the not so distant history when the Rockefellers took over public health 100years ago, then we are worse than blind.
     
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    #1492 Yen, Nov 11, 2020
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    A very good read at 'nature':
    "COVID-vaccine results are on the way — and scientists’ concerns are growing"

    This time 'Oxford' vector virus vaccine in focus.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6

    2 cases of symptoms of transverse myelitis. Not funny at all...

    You also find there a detailed PARTICIPANT INFORMATION SHEET for the 'Oxford' vector virus vaccine (cannot link here, it's http only, search at the nature article for 'isrctn').

    I don't believe in conspiracy. It's pure competition and who has best lobby to pull the strings behind the scenes....it is pure capitalism / lobbyism.

    And the Bill Gates foundation is very well positioned in the pharma branch.
     
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    #1493 Mr.X, Nov 11, 2020
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    Killing people with vaccines in the name of health isn't a conspiracy and in the process getting rich and all-mighty at God's level?

    How about their agenda to reduce population? There are proof and facts of such agenda. Better they should enforce planned parenthood before many people get born ah but noooo so "let them reproduce while we get the wealth of their labor for the next 100 years then we reduce our stock when that suits us".

    Is it so hard to understand and accept?
    Negative priming

    Do you think a conspiracy is founded for the mere and sole purpose of killing people?
    No purpose or just for fun?

    They're conspiring vs all us for their greed and supreme arrogance via via capitalism/lobbyism. And now through a global techno-feudal state.
     
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    What I recognize, observe and notice..as the IDEA of such 'institutions' is reasoned by greed and capital already.
    An ego that sells itself as being social and caring covers that ego.

    There is no purpose of doing harm actively, but it is deliberately accepted to follow the real goal.
    Excuses are always on hand..

    There is no space left for me for a conspiracy theory. I cannot notice of an intelligence that would coordinate such one. LoL....

    Yeah well.....people need to know enough from vaccine development to make a proper decision. Vaccination yes or no.

    And that's 'my' purpose to post here...
     
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  15. Mr.X

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    Hell no

    I for one never ever again going to trust on them. Dumb me if I did it again.
     
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    I had posted my opinion about vaccinations here already. Some are useful. And those are well developed and have a long medical history already.

    But what's happening at COVID-19 and how media are reporting about it is shocking!
    I also would never go for it and even my dad which belongs to the 'vulnerable' group (cancer) I strongly urge him not to go for those vaccines.

    When you are healthy there is no need for it.
    When you belong to the vulnerable ones, the things you already have got might get even worse.

    The risk benefit ratio is scandalous.

    Anyway I try to post what actually would be the job of serious journalism. The concerning and valid articles published at reputable scientific journals.

    If it's going on without a change I'll soon expect disastrous headlines about the first vaccination victims which overshadow the actual pandemic by far.

    And by doing that some put me to the conspiracy adherents already. It is really hard to post valid facts 'against' current politics and that is really annoying and should never be.
     
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    #1497 gorski, Nov 11, 2020
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    Some long standing ones are the source of unbelievable numbers of carcinomas around the world...

    At the time, as I posted before, it was considered "good, solid science" - but today...

    So, I agree with those who state that these should be scrutinised properly!

    But I remember you were not so enlightened when Thalidomide was discussed here, Yen...

    So, one moment it's something and the next - the opposite.... Make up your mind, man...

    X, you are now embarrassing yourself quite freely...

    We know some vaccines are a "must" and they did give us "herd immunity", some nasty illnesses are gone because of them....

    So, stop peddling uncritical, black-white nonsense, FCOL!!!

    And for those who are still interested - record numbers around the word, in many, many countries.... Not a bad day at work for an nonexistent threat, eh? Death galore - but it's nothing really.... Riiiiight....
     
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    #1498 Mr.X, Nov 11, 2020
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    "What do you mean 'we' kemosabe?"
    Speak for yourself.

    There's no need for vaccines. We are designed in such a way that our immune system can do the job of defending our body from sickness.

    There are many plants and other noble substances (CDS) to help our bodies heal.

    You believe what others have told you to believe in. In this case a monopolized science and perverted to others interests.

    This occurs due to indoctrination so when you read listen people speaking without verbal acrobatics and without arrogance unlike you, then you feel embarrassment.

    In your arguments I see everything but interest to keep people from dying. I read your words full of mega arrogance JUST to win the discussion.
     
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    Maybe 'the opposite' are just my arguments that are not conform to yours? :p:)

    This time I read actively and it's a matter that happens now. It affects a far greater amount of people, a pandemic.
    At the Thalidomide case I argued pro scientists because there was an unpredictable issue due to lack of biochemical knowledge that time (enantiomer).
    No existing laws had been 'altered' by politics. But there had been the same greed, yes.

    And concerning this matter yes I made up my mind.
     
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