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  1. vladnil

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    Speak all right.
    Also, Bekhterev's teacher Sheliga Ivan Pavlovich, a professor at the Imperial Medical and Surgical Academy, wrote that people are not afraid of viruses if they observe the daily routine and diet.
    Ie Goes to bed at 22:00 and get up at 5:00 - after 17:00 do not eat.
     
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  3. Yen

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    #1523 Yen, Nov 16, 2020
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    To determine evidently and fear-mongering are different things. The former is science the latter is BS.

    The guardian author doesn't care and did use the medrxiv article as source anyway. So there is no other way as to declare the guardian article as being the latter. Sorry. Yellow press methodology. The intention is not elucidation it is fear-mongering without having long term datasets.

    And besides of that I also miss here excluding of co-infections by proving absence of other germs, viruses and I miss a relation to a known illness such as flu which is known to create 'impairments' on those organs as well.

    I am following the same logic with my arguments!!!.
    There is no long term dataset available yet. Neither to make valid statements on vaccine efficacy / safety nor on 'long COVID-19'.

    The media which 'hype' the vaccines and those articles about long COVID-19 do not. They ignore that logic. It applies either to both or not at all!!!

    It is the same saying: I can tell you exactly about total sun hours today at 2 pm already. :rolleyes:

    6000 aren't enough for phase III trials, hence they take another 24000 from 'other countries'.

    BTW Those vector virus vaccines are based on adenoviruses.

    Yes. They are brave. Risk for autoimmune disorders and myelitis. Same as Oxford vaccine.
     
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  4. Yen

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    Loss of sense of taste / smell belongs to the symptoms of COVID-19. But it's never a symptom that comes up alone.
    What about fever and cough?

    Generally: If you want to know it only a test sheds light on it.
     
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  5. Mr.X

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  7. Mr.X

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    #1527 Mr.X, Nov 17, 2020
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    SARS-COV2 (COVID-19) AND SARS-COV3 (YES ... YOU READ IT CORRECTLY) APPEAR IN A SCIENTIFIC STUDY PUBLISHED IN THE "JOURNAL OF CLINICAL MICROBIOLOGY" ... FROM 2008 !.

    WHAT MORE PROOFS DO PEOPLE NEED TO FINISH WAKING UP?

    Link to study:
    https://jcm.asm.org/content/46/5/1734

    Link to the study in PDF (download):
    https://jcm.asm.org/content/jcm/46/5/1734.full.pdf

    How is it possible that in 2008 they had already sequenced the supposed "virus" SARS-CoV2 and even a supposed "virus" that to this day still does not exist publicly, how is SARS-CoV3 (which will be the next "plan-demia"? you plan to manufacture), including the sequences of the primers of the PCR tests that in theory serve to be able to detect them?

    The answer is very simple: EVERYTHING HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR DECADES AGO.
     
  8. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

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    https://t.me/medicosporlaverdadmexico/2669

    MORE FEAR.

    KLAUS SCHWAB, FOUNDER OF THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM, SEEMS TO HAVE SOMETHING NEW: CYBER-TERRORISM, CAPABLE OF STOPPING IT ALL. THEY DO EVERYTHING TO GET THEIR "GLOBAL RESET"! THEY NEED A TOTAL SHOCK, THE CORONAFRAUD IS NO LONGER ENOUGH!

    Klaus Schwab, founder and CEO of the World Economic Forum, mentions in the video:

    "We all know this, but we still do not pay enough attention to the terrifying scenario of a large-scale cyberattack that could paralyze the supply of electricity, food, transport, hospital services and our society as a whole. Compared to this, the crisis of COVID 19 would be seen as a minor disturbance. "
     
  9. Mr.X

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    https://t.me/medicosporlaverdadmexico/2674

    Klaus Schwab, the director of the World Economic Forum, made it clear that transhumanism is an integral part of the "Great Reset" when he said that the fourth industrial revolution "would lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity."
     
  10. Mr.X

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    People affected by the human papilloma vaccine (HPV) prepare a class action lawsuit

    Affected from different countries by the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine, a vaccine against cervical cancer, they have held two meetings in Tokyo and Dublin where they analyzed the state of affairs and the situation of the thousands of affected. They demand greater attention to the problem and that the victims stop being stigmatized. In Spain, the association of affected people have continued their fight for nine years before the lack of understanding of the Spanish health authorities.

    At this time and despite the claims of many affected who have requested a moratorium on its supply until it is guaranteed that there are no adverse effects, the vaccine continues to be applied throughout the EU. It is approved by centralized procedure before the European Medicines Agency. Spain only has responsibility for pharmacovigilance, although it could stop the recommendation if it wanted, according to experts on the subject.

    The Association of People Affected by the Papilloma Vaccine continues to fight to stop the massive vaccination campaigns for girls, withdrawing the vaccine from the vaccination schedules until its efficacy, safety and necessity are demonstrated.

    Concern is expressed regarding the information provided to parents in relation to the HPV vaccine, which it considers partial and insufficient, just as the study and monitoring of the adverse effects associated with the vaccine are insufficient in Spain.

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    In Spain alone, the Association of People Affected by the Papilloma Vaccine (AAPV) delivered, in September of last year, more than 46,000 signatures in favor of a moratorium to the general director of Public Health, Elena Andradas Aragonés, and the general director of the Spanish Agency for Medicines and Health Products (AEMPS), Belén Crespo Sánchez-Eznarriaga.

    "We wanted the vaccine to be suspended until the adverse effects it causes were rigorously analyzed," says the president of the association, Alicia Capilla. Now they are preparing a joint lawsuit to request, only, that these symptoms be recognized, advised by Almodóvar & Jara, a law firm specialized in adverse reactions to medications.

    Data on this medical problem can be consulted on the website of this association, which indicates that in the first half of 2017, 63 cases have been reported - people - with a total of 167 notifications of suspected adverse reactions. Considering that 340,331 doses have been released on this date, a rate of 1.85 notifications per 10,000 doses released is estimated. "The number of serious notifications draws our attention - and so we have transferred it - since they are 52% of the total," they point out from the association.

    The total accumulated since vaccination began in our country in 2008 is 1,172 cases, with 3,479 notifications of suspected adverse effects and 7 suspicions of death. The most reported diseases are those related to disorders of the nervous system: 1,231 notifications. A year later the Association of People Affected by the Vaccine who feel helpless by the Administration would be created.

    At the European level, the European Medicines Agency has registered more than 16,000 of which 10,000 have generated serious diseases of the nervous system and 44 deaths, data from July 2017. In the US there are more than 51,222 adverse reactions, 324 deaths, 6836 serious reactions, 825 life threats and 14,518 emergencies, according to data from the North American Vaers system of adverse notifications.

    More than 300 suspected deaths appear in the European Union pharmacovigilance database, although there are no studies that demonstrate this causal relationship through the vaccine

    The aforementioned Spanish law firm defends the interests of said Association, both in official meetings “and in the collective lawsuit that we are preparing related to the protection of fundamental rights. We handle the cases of 12 associates individually ”, explains Francisco Almodóvar, who is also the representative lawyer before the EU of the Irish, British and Spanish Association.

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    So far the firm has filed 12 lawsuits, 11 before the National Court and 1 before the Community of Madrid. "We are already starting the collective process for the protection of fundamental rights and a joint action before the EU related to informed consent," explains Almodóvar.


    Francisco Almodóvar, lawyer representing the EU of the Irish, British and Spanish Human Papilloma Association.
    Capilla was one of the first to claim. It happened after her daughter was given the second dose, in February 2009. She was 14 years old. He explains that he was in the pediatric ICU. She had seizures and was unable to walk due to neurological disorders.

    The human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine has been involved in controversy since its commercialization. While specialists praise her for tackling cancer, others question her efficiency; At the same time that the World Health Organization (WHO) and different drug agencies attest to its safety, thousands of people, through various international associations, add signatures to request its withdrawal due to the adverse effects that they claim to cause.

    The associations of those affected by the HPV vaccine ask that the recommendation of these vaccines be suspended, until a security system is established to control their serious side effects

    The problem has already generated a death in Spain attributed to the Gardasil vaccine (JUDGMENT TSJ DE ASTURIAS: PO 136/2015, of February 20, 2017. The ruling estimates the demand of AI B's parents, who died after the administration of the product Gardasil. "The Judgment finds a causal relationship between Gardasil® and the death of A.", indicates the lawyer who defends this entity.

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    More than 300 suspected deaths appear in the European Union pharmacovigilance database. We have asked causality and there are no studies ”, explains Francisco Almodóvar, a lawyer for the firm that, through its Bufete RAM brand, represents this association in its search for Justice.

    Union of affected internationally
    The problem has united victims from all over the world. Thus, there are already entities such as the Association Rebuilding Hope, the Association of victims of the HPV vaccine in Colombia, AAVP, the Association of People Affected by the HPV Vaccine in Spain. AHVID and the Association of Daughters Harmed by the HPV Vaccine in the UK.

    Along with them REGRET, Gardasil Reactions and Effects with Extreme Harm, the Association in Ireland, the National Network of Cervical Cancer Vaccine Victims in Japan, the National Association of Plaintiffs for HPV Vaccine Litigation in Japan, who have pointed out in these two international events the medical tragedy that such commercialization supposes on a global scale.

    In said forum, Mónica del Río, president of the Association Rebuilding Hope of Colombia; Alicia Capilla, president of the Association of People Affected by HPV vaccines in Spain; Mandeep Badial, scientist (Science Officer) of the British Association AHVID and Anna Cannon, spokesperson for Regret, Association of Irish affected people- gave their testimony as mothers and as representatives of these associations, exposing the tragic and inhuman situation that affected people live in their respective countries.


    Alicia Capilla, president of the Association of People Affected by the Papilloma Vaccine (AAVP).
    These associations believe it is necessary to "appeal to the media to raise awareness about the dire consequences of this critical social and health problem" and urge governments, vaccine manufacturers and health experts to collaborate in various directions.

    Carry out a long-term follow-up study, by a neutral third party, of the health status of all people who have received HPV vaccines. They also demand that research be promoted for the development of effective therapies for treating the side effects of HPV vaccines.

    Another claim that they point out is that treatment and support be provided to victims of the HPV vaccine in their daily activities, education and employment. And that information on ALL possible side effects be disseminated through a patient information leaflet that will be given to children, adolescents, and parents so they can make an informed decision regarding HPV vaccination, based on the fundamental human rights of the informed consent.

    At the same time, they demand that all advertising campaigns promoting HPV vaccination be stopped without fully highlighting the risks. That the recommendation of HPV vaccines for routine immunization be discontinued, until a safety system is in place to ensure prevention of serious side effects. And that they refrain from taking actions that discriminate or slander the victims of the HPV vaccine.

    Same symptomatology. The abandoned victims
    In these international work meetings, the real state of damage from the HPV vaccine was clarified, investigated ways to alleviate symptoms and promote recovery, and discussed measures to maintain the daily activity of the victims.

    Initially, when the symptoms of HPV vaccine damage were observed, it was variably described as complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS), chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), and orthostatic postural tachycardia syndrome (POPS), but it was soon discovered that clinical symptoms and damage were more complex.

    Along with this are other adverse effects that are complex such as Systemic pain, including headache, myalgia and arthralgia Motor dysfunction, such as paralysis, muscle weakness, involuntary movements and seizures Numbness and sensory disturbances Autonomic symptoms, including dizziness, hypotension, tachycardia and diarrhea.

    You can also have respiratory dysfunction, endocrine disorders, such as menstrual disorders and hypermenorrhea. Hypersensitivity to light and sound. Psychological symptoms, such as anxiety, hallucinations, and suicidal tendencies. Sleep disorders, including hypersomnia and narcolepsy.



    https://confilegal.com/20180502-afe...ma-humano-vph-preparan-una-demanda-colectiva/
     
  11. Yen

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    Your source has attracted my colleagues here..all staring into my screen :D

    But the reason has been spotted quite quickly.

    They do not refer to a new virus!
    They have their own nomenclature. They numbered different sequences from SARS!!! (number 1 to 3)
    I've underlined the important bits.

    nt = nucleotide

    SARS-CoV1:nt 13785 to 16051
    SARS-CoV2:nt 18038 to 18340
    SARS-CoV3:nt 27730 to 29212

    ALL THEM from SARS-CoV (outbreak 2002/2003).

    Thanks anyway. Was cool reading it.:) But it disqualifies anybody using that as reasoning for former 'Covid-19' presence or even a successor's presence V3 at 2008 already.
     
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  12. gorski

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    @Yen, WTH are you on...?!? I want some of that stuff, too... :D :p :D

    If there is no long term dataset - you can not claim anything like you just did!!!!

    Besides, you missed the point completely!!! Honestly... :(

    We know about long Covid for a while now, so WTF?!?

    Once again: you can not see Human lives behind various numbers, which you interpret in a very skewed manner, thereby "not seeing the wood for the trees"!!! And because of this you can not formulate a Public Health Policy without killing or hurting a humongous number of people....

    It says: RUSSIAN ROULETTE IS HARMLESS!!!!
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    PROVEN BY 5 OUT of 6 GAMERS!!!!!

    Wow, when I talked about vitamins and immunity, general diet and wellbeing issues etc. - it was all tosh...:rolleyes: And now....o_O

    Welcome to the fold!:p
     
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  13. Yen

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    #1533 Yen, Nov 18, 2020
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    No we don't. Correlation at best...
    I referred to the guardian link you have posted and said what is wrong about. To have a pure scientific POV on something excludes drama and undefined terms like 'impairments'.

    It is not peer-reviewed. Co-infections are not excluded. Some are keen on headlines. They use imaging diagnostics out of relations.

    And they do not relate to what it really means for the affected ones nor do they use the same 'euphoria' at other respiratory affecting infections such as flu / pneumonia.

    It is known that you need several months to a year to recover fully from a real flu.
    And seeing 'damages' on imaging diagnostics and real life concerning issues on health are two different things.
    Distortion like yellow press likes to do. COVID-19 is a media target everyday and by that it gets a meaning which is out of reality.

    The hype of vaccines or assigning causality on 'long term issues', both are products of irrational minds. We need fundamental data to categorize their real long term attributes.
    This applies to vaccines AND COVID-19 itself!

    No serious scientist would relate to a non-peer reviewed work to 'inform' about something that can be frightening!!!

    BTW: Why do viruses appear as wave / seasonal waves?
    It is NOT because of their own attributes (those of the virus) that would change, no!

    The reason is our immune system which has periods of weaker defence and periods of stronger defence!

    And once it is broken the doors are open for others as well.
    Every pro knows that an infection frequently occurs as multi infections.
    And once a virus has entered the bacteria can follow and vice versa.
    (I.E. you get antibiotics as eye drops at conjunctivitis even though it is originally a viral infection and those are useless...but to fight co-infections caused by additional bacteria).

    So 'long COVID-19' is probably just a difference there...!


    Thanks. :p

    Here also posted a source with impressive results.
    I am taking now D3 supplementary.:)

    BTW: Had been skeptically but not against vit. sup.
     
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    #1534 Mr.X, Nov 18, 2020
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    Really? I can see a lot of conspiracy here and there, vaccines and covid-19, etc.

    Conspiracy definition:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/conspire
     
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    this whole thread is a conspiracy ;)
     
  16. gorski

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    I rest my case!!!!! :D :D :D
     
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    Common cold

    Died on Earth on March 25th 2020 due to Coronavirus

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    It joined us every winter, killing millions every year for centuries and no vaccine could beat it

    R.I.P.
     
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    #1539 case-sensitive, Nov 19, 2020
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    >People affected by the human papilloma vaccine (HPV) prepare a class action lawsuit

    Why do you post crap like that ? Their subjective claims have less than no chance of getting anywhere .......... because they have no proof , their claims are subjective ........ and the damage they claim is to diverse .

    >Life in one of the most deprived and Covid-infected suburbs in England

    Hmmmmm ........ all that populistic article says is that ...... little british poor people are thick / dumb and thick people are more effected by corona than the rich !?!
     
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    #1540 Yen, Nov 19, 2020
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    This is a joke!

    First BioNTech has announced 90% 'efficacy'
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech

    Then the competitor Moderna came up with 94, nearly 95%
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908

    And now BioNTech also with 94%
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54986208

    WTF=?! A capitalistic race without any affinity to truth.
    Numbers, numbers, numbers.....

    Wake up!!!

    I know from our own research that more than half usually FAILS at Phase III!!!!

    Lots of sources confirming my practical experiences...
    I.E.: https://www.parexel.com/application/files_previous/5014/7274/5573/ACT_Article.pdf


    Also:......
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6092479/
    This study even speaks of 54-57%!

    And now all them COVID-19 vaccines are great??! Even Sputnik V.

    Moderna, Oxford, BioNTech, CureVac...ALL great! (Because any of those are sponsored by Gates foundation?!?)

    https://www.healthline.com/health-n...trials-show-promise-most-still-fail-heres-why


    There seems to be one advantage for Moderna, though.
    Storage temp is about 'only' normal freezer (maybe only fridge) while BioNTech's vaccine needs -80 degrees Celsius (dry ice)...


    As being said. I cannot recognize a plan that would be apart from 'common' human drive such as greed and capital...and when it comes to politics inability joins...

    Those vaccine developers are competitors. Each one has their lobby at politics.
    The need of a vaccine is never questioned at all. Politics cares that the fear remains and by that a reason to get vaccinated.

    By that they create a profit situation for both...but I cannot notice of an intelligence and plan...
     
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