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  1. case-sensitive

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    Just heard on an international news channel that in germany they're setting up free mass tests ........... where people just have to gargle with a salt solution and that gets tested = Hey !!! Wow !!! ............ but :) ...... people have to take it every 36 hours ........... = LOL !!!
     
  2. Mr.X

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    No plan huh? No intelligence huh? So no conspiracy right?

    Conspiracy No. 1 = Undermine right to free speech AANNNDD, do whatever necessary to achieve so

     
  3. Mr.X

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    Go ask @gorski if he has a written evaluation about you being declare mentally incompetent as he well insinuated the other day... and I do agree. We don't need such proof to see ... roflmao.
     
  4. Mr.X

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    What's going on with Bolivia?

    Covid-19
     
  5. Mr.X

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    #1545 Mr.X, Nov 20, 2020
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    Amazon launches online pharmacy service

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54973539

    Amazon, the monopolizing monster, will now offer drugs at home ... to finish closing the vicious circle of the new subnormality.

    "Consume and drug only at home, lull the tedium of the insignificant life of the modern slave."

    Unbelievable. Criminals within the law.
     
  6. Mr.X

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    #1546 Mr.X, Nov 20, 2020
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    As if that were not enough, sinister Klaus Schwab is also an ideological mentor of "Young Leaders of the Future", among them Alexander Soros, son of George Soros, David Rothschild, the youngest of the Rothschild dynasty, Mark Zuckerberg, the Freemason Emanuel Macron, Jens Spahn, German health minister, among others.

    As you can see, the elite technocratic huddle that subdues humanity is closely related.
     
  7. Yen

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    Those people who got trouble didn't get it because of the demonstration itself.
    They got it because of riots and physical violence against the police.

    What do you mean?

    This:
    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...ioxide-as-covid-treatment--20200806-0017.html
     
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  8. Mr.X

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  9. Yen

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    #1549 Yen, Nov 21, 2020
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    Question:
    These are the nature results of the BioNTech vaccine Phase I/II. I have posted those already.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4

    45 persons.12/08/2020. I have chosen the values for 30µg dose after 2nd shot.
    Observer-blinded dose-escalation study (means all them got verum with different doses, no placebo).

    Figure b from the Nature link (30-μg dose) :

    Fever: mild, moderate 75%
    Fatigue: mild, moderate 85%
    Headache: mild, moderate 100%
    Chills: mild, moderate and severe 65%
    Vomiting Zero
    Diarrhoea mild 10%
    Muscle pain mild, moderate 60%
    Joint Pain mild, moderate 25%


    And here the recent news 18/11/20. Source: Pfizer itself about current Phase III
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ntech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

    They have chosen the 30 µg dose for this phase, also one booster shot. The difference to Phase I/II is the gap between first and second shot and BNT162b1 to BNT162b2
    Now at more than 43000 people / double blind crossover study this time. (Verum / placebo)

    Get This:
    Now the question:
    Can you explain why all them 45 got headache (mild and moderate) before and now only 2.0% of 43000?
    And fatigue 85% before and now only 3.8%?

    All the other side effects below 2% now? Chills 65% now <2?. Fever 75% now <2%. muscle pain 60% now <2% and so on. Even not worth to mention them separately...

    OK if you say now b2 is the difference. Then it is a huge difference.

    At an ongoing process of approval you must not change the vaccine itself. If you do a systemic change you have another vaccine and it needs an own process of approval from scratch (Phase 0/I)!!!
    Why? Simply because the content from Phase I/II data would become invalid as a relation to Phase III. b2 would be a completely new vaccine! With different attributes here and there. Anything what has been figured before wouldn't apply to b2 anymore.

    AFAIK the change is the target sequence of the spike protein that will be produced in body.

    Seemingly not a systemic change. Hence still the same name BNT162.

    You don't need to be a checking authority to notice that there is a big irrationality that should create natural mistrust.
     
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  10. Mr.X

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    well i saw this video a few time ago


    all the pandemic seem sketchy, on the first videos i saw that appeared of wutang you saw in those videos people laid down dead on the street, i never saw that happening
     
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  12. gorski

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    @Yen, you are not going to start bitching about numbers, are ya? I mean, your guru's whole game is about numbers, FCOL.... :D :p :D
     
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  13. case-sensitive

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    I was so concerned about cackrona and the ' future ' of inhumanity that i was on my knees praying to Elvis for help and understanding .........and i had a vision and saw the light ---- >

    Imagine if the new vacines come ........ and all the esential workers ........... politicians , police , judges , staatsanwalte and the criminaly rich get the first shots .......... and after 6 months they all DIE !!!!!!!! .......... OMG !!! What a kacktastrophy !!!! ......... :)
     
  14. Mr.X

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    @case-sensitive dude, are you feeling ok today? Any corona around your home cracking your brain today?
     
  15. gorski

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    Here is something from some serious people....

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ep...mdhW_jpxG-eVn08AYF0cPHNu2B3ggF0OtT_-79E-6fJ3c

    Sylvia Walbyhttps://orcid.org/0000-0002-9696-6947

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    Social theory is developing in response to the coronavirus (COVID) crisis. Fundamental questions about social justice in the relationship of individuals to society are raised by Delanty in his review of political philosophy, including Agamben, Foucault and Žižek. However, the focus on the libertarian critique of authoritarianism is not enough. The social democratic critique of neoliberalism lies at the centre of the contesting responses to the COVID crisis. A social democratic perspective on public health, democracy and state action is contrasted with the anti-statists of left and right. This is addressed in debates on the relationship between science and governance, the place of crisis in theories of change and the conceptualisation of alternative forms of social formation. The crisis initiated by the pandemic, cascading through society, from health to economy, to polity and into violence, includes a contestation between social democratic and neoliberal visions of alternative forms of society.
     
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  16. Yen

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    I am 'bitching' when conclusions are made before datasets / official primary data of studies are available. And I compare scientific sources to 'private results' with capitalistic interests.

    Here we go again:

    Official WHO Bulletin about fatality rate COVID-19.
    I was right. And it's no killer.
    https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

     
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  17. gorski

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    C'MON, MAN!!! YOU JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS BEFORE YOU COULD HAVE SEEN ANY SUCH DATA, BY THE INNER LOGIC OF THE THING ITSELF!!!

    In short: if you don't know about potential long term consequences of C-19 how can you POSSIBLY say that what we are doing is "bad"?!? By which magic?!?
     
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  18. Yen

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    It's not me saying: "justification for various non-pharmacological public health interventions depends on the infection fatality rate."
     
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  19. case-sensitive

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    Gorski ......... https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ep...mdhW_jpxG-eVn08AYF0cPHNu2B3ggF0OtT_-79E-6fJ3c that is pseudointellectual crap . A cascade of words .

    If a person understands something they can explain it in a way that everyone can understand . Thats what separates experts from the rest .

    Please explain what that report says ........ in your opinion ...... and what you want to say with it ...... in a short clear expanation .

    A sure sign of bulls**t is when an article / report / study is VERY long .......... and where its clear to see that someone has written something ......... and then edited it so that the sentances are extra long ............ and then swap ' normal ' words for big ' clever ' words .

    This one is crap because on the surface its about a debate between force and cooperation ........ but between the lines its talking about other ideas / forms of decision making .

    What other choices are there besides democracy ? And being realistic , rational and following the science ?

    >In short: if you don't know about potential long term consequences of C-19 how can you POSSIBLY say that what we are doing is "bad"?!? By which magic?!?

    At ' logic ' ---- > And how can you say its good ? or not bad ? It aplys just as much to your position as to yens position .
     
  20. gorski

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    Only if you just dropped from Mars and have not seen tons of dead people everywhere, who would have otherwise survived with their conditions and medical assistance!!!!

    What are you on, to say that we should not err on the side of caution?!?
     
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